balladofwindfishes
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You only need to look at the last century of elections to realize that.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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You only need to look at the last century of elections to realize that.
Then why isn't Jeb president
thehypocrite
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Use that anger to fuel you and help the democrats win elections.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Spoilers: He's going to rob the United States like Maduro robbed Venezuela and Putin robbed Russia.
Warren G. Harding is going to be off the hook after this presidency.
shinra-bansho
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Hillary fucked up and is boring and I also think her vagina hurt her with men. She is overly cautious. Has baggage. And scandals largely imagined but perception is reality.
That doesn't change the schizophrenia of this post-mortem in a quest to absolve the white people who voted for Trump's bigotry and to feel better about how it will be fine next time.
That doesn't change the schizophrenia of this post-mortem in a quest to absolve the white people who voted for Trump's bigotry and to feel better about how it will be fine next time.
GoldenEye 007
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It's not that complicated. Yes, be charismatic. Give off a vibe that is strong and one that truly gets people excited. Be Obama. Be Trump. Be Bill. Be Reagan. Be Bush 2000. Don't be Gore. Don't be Kerry. And now don't be Hillary.
Have an overall message/catchphrase, yes. Hope and Change. Make America Great Again.
But also know where to focus more specific messages based on the electorate you are talking to. So yes, some things in an urban city will focus more on minorities and social issues while rural will leave a lot of that at home. Nationwide, just keep it broad and basic. Economy, security, optimism, something new to offer.
Officerrob
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The media is going to kill him over the "kids will run the business through a blind trust" bullshit, once he's in office
neurosisxeno
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Booker 2020 got it.
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Randolph Freelander
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https://twitter.com/CASOSvote/status/796885789502124032
California still has more than 4 million ballots to count.
Send some to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
California still has more than 4 million ballots to count.
Send some to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Officerrob
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You only need 110k total to flip those states
shinra-bansho
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This isn't 2008. Where the economy was on a precipice. And hope and change was there. And Bush. This is 8 years later. Shit's still bad. Obama got them. Obama got them. Cool let's make it 2008 again.
His entire presidency will be a nonstop parade of old and new scandals.
Randolph Freelander
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Yeah, you know, just siphon off a little bit.
Actually, anyone thinking that white people are not at fault means the person is probably still in the denial phase. Hillary has faults, another democratic candidate could have won narrowly, yes. That does not mean that Trump hasn't come so far with his brand of politics. What are you going to do in the next four years when they find a more competent demagogue? Scandals and lies do not matter.
Again. It's Trump.
neurosisxeno
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He problem is the average American doesn't feel like it has recovered. They aren't living as great as the economy dictates they should. Obama technically fixed the economy, but the effects did not go to the middle and working class.
thehypocrite
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I don't see anyone absolving them. How can we push them back if we don't win elections?
Officerrob
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Trump leads Michigan by less than 12k votes. Almost 88k Michigan voters who voted, chose to not vote for president...
I don't think anyone in here is absolving them.
We're just recognizing we need the rust belt voters who voted for it to win. That's just the fact until states like Texas become purple.
shinra-bansho
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I don't see calls for pushback. Only appeasement. So that then maybe they can stop voting explicitly for or at least with bigotry.
Also we need a new thread title.
That's what I'm getting at though. The counterfactual third term Obama wins imo. But not thanks to these people again.
Also we need a new thread title.
The average voter voted for Hillary.
This is a specific subset of rural white voters.
Trump activated a huge swathe of voters who deeply cared about his alpha power displays and signs of cultural solidarity. This includes both overt racism and economic populism, among other things
I think the ugliest truth of the election is the Trump's bombast and nonsense actually made him an effective candidate. So, we are in a sorry state, regardless.
It's a lot of people talking online in the immediate aftermath of an unprecedented horror show. Ain't going to be coherent. We all need to try to make sense out of it while fitting someone else's actions to our own respective internal logics.
So yeah, it's schizophrenic.
I struggle with this point. I don't want to excuse racism. I don't want to reward racism. I don't want to call the results the election anything other than racism. And I certainly don't want to lose PA, MI and WI again. And that's a tough square to circle
GoldenEye 007
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Obama prevented a depression or deeper recession. But yes, jobs never got back really to the middle class/rural working class. Wall St wrecked their retirements. They didn't see the results of those great job numbers or GDP growth.
I was speaking more to his overall charisma and excitement he could generate.
Trump just sold a bill of goods. I doubt he can see it through. But the point is people were excited, were catered to, and felt it was worth a shot after decades of hell culminating with the recession.
whyamihere
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Nate Cohn tweeted as well.
She's gonna gain another million and a half votes.
Jesus christ.
Elaugaufein
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Can I suggest we not use "purity test" as an alias for "people with different moral sandlines to mine" ? The disdainful use of the phrase by people making purity evaluations on their own metrics is just weird. There's nothing wrong with having moral standards for what you want politically.
Officerrob
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She will win the popular vote by 2 million, easily
Like I said a while ago, white people are at fault isn't a particularly interesting observation because it doesn't fully account for the loss. The 8 years of racism building up didn't translate into high turnout.
Officerrob
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Seriously?
Former mayor Bloomberg has a blind trust set up for his business while mayor of New York. No one cared about it. They won't care about Trump's either.
thehypocrite
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The key isn't to demonize those that didn't vote, is how can we get them to vote for us next time? Heck right now it doesn't matter if Bernie would have won or not. We need to build strategies to win.
Who thinks that a federal weed tax is a viable option to fund our investment into the rust belt?
Who thinks that a federal weed tax is a viable option to fund our investment into the rust belt?
Because we knew why he had to do it. Minute he started talking about it they'd bring up the race card
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The term is valid. It's what happens when you go into a downward spiral and turn yourself into a protest party.
If your moral standards leave only 10% of voters accessible to you, your standards are a problem.
whyamihere
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She'll end up winning ~1.5% in the popular vote. Oh my god.
Call it a cat whistle.
Officerrob
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There is a VAST difference between having a blind trust, and having a blind trust RUN by your kids. Hell, that's a fucking ovymoron. A blind trust like Bloomberg is what he should do
balladofwindfishes
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She's... going to win the popular vote by almost exactly what polls said she would.
That's cruel irony. They were right. Just... not in the ways that we wanted.
That's cruel irony. They were right. Just... not in the ways that we wanted.
whyamihere
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Is it hyperbolic to worry if we're going to have elections in 4 years
You'll have to elaborate on what you think caused Hillary's loss.
The divergence of the popular and electoral votes in this cycle are uncomfortably extreme. The electoral college exists, but this is a serious problem for American democracy.
As much as the story is focusing on the Democrats and their own shortcomings (this is important because it is actionable), the bigger story IMO is a broad failure of american democracy on many levels, and I hope that stays in the forefront of people's minds over the next four years.
As much as the story is focusing on the Democrats and their own shortcomings (this is important because it is actionable), the bigger story IMO is a broad failure of american democracy on many levels, and I hope that stays in the forefront of people's minds over the next four years.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This is the problem when California is nicer than the other states.
Nah.
Trump LOVES China and Putin and Saddam so it's a huge concern.
Hopefully he'll be too lazy to do it and will spend all of his time robbing the government instead.
We have the numbers. The demo change is here. This is why you have to be prepared for '18.
You could tell there were many times Obama wanted to hulk out but he couldn't lest he be painted as an "Angry Black Man" for the rest of his term. As a black dude I (and you) could 100% sympathize.
thehypocrite
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Not enough to get sufficient people to vote for the DNC apparently.
Nope
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