It's funny, because I remember a time you used to care about constitutional norms. It seems so long ago now.
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It's funny, because I remember a time you used to care about constitutional norms. It seems so long ago now.
Hillary Clinton
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I know you're a lawyer but you cannot seriously think that the intention of the relevant provisions in the constitution were to allow the Senate to stall key appointments for an entire year. What if the Senate did not appoint anyone at all? Is that just an exercise of constitutionally granted powers?
Get a new account name
whyamihere
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I'm okay with this. Not a total ban on new nondiscrimination ordinances, which is fine.
Please don't, I love the idea that Hillary now has so much free time she's on NeoGAF.
New slogan: swamp the drain!
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
You mean Senate norms. The Constitution doesn't require the Senate to do anything in particular with a president's nominations.
Yes. The limits here are political, not constitutional. The only intention expressed in the Constitution on this subject is that the president not be able to appoint anyone without the advice and consent of the Senate. It's a limit on the president's authority, not the Senate's.
No, I meant constitutional norms, and I'm surprised by the suggestion in this post that you don't know what I'm talking about!
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
I suppose not. When you say "constitutional norms," do you mean "constitutional requirements" or "things that the Senate generally does in advising on and consenting to or rejecting the president's nominees, and oh also 'advice and consent' is a phrase in the Constitution so I can say 'constitutional' here"?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I want to see the alternate timeline where Hillary squeaked out a victory over Trump and then conservatives spent the next eight years defending there being three open Supreme Court seats and no Secretaries of Treasury or State, lol.
Brawndo Addict
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We literally had this argument six months ago. The constitution doesn't require the president to ever sign a bill or for congress to ever pass a law either but I think we can all agree that it would be bad for government to behave that way just because it's technically allowed.
Otherwise you might as well argue that the constitution really means that the president can only appoint a Supreme Court justice when a majority of the senate is from their party, because that's the natural extension of this argument.
Otherwise you might as well argue that the constitution really means that the president can only appoint a Supreme Court justice when a majority of the senate is from their party, because that's the natural extension of this argument.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump's new budget director has said that he wants to end Medicare as we know it and wants to default on the U.S. debt and is a mild Zika Truther and might be a scientific research Truther in general.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/21/14033896/mick-mulvaney-debt-ceiling
I like how his guys just keep getting fucking weirder.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/21/14033896/mick-mulvaney-debt-ceiling
I like how his guys just keep getting fucking weirder.
We're screwed in 2020 in that timeline. It's the one silver lining of getting this out of the way now.
Barack Obama was elected democratically to a full term. Part of that full term's responsibilities is nominating a Supreme Court justice when a vacancy is made. Stalling the Garland nomination was a direct assault on our democracy because it ignores the decision that voters made in 2012. Essentially, voters did make a choice. Republicans said "Fuck them".
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Okay guys, I want to do a scientific research paper where volunteers go door to door and talk to Republican women (this is in Utah so they will all be white Mormon women) and these volunteers try to convince the Republican women to support laws against sexual discrimination. The problem is I need 60+ volunteers and I have no idea how I'll get so many volunteers.
PantherLotus
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hmmmm
Hillary Clinton
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neurosisxeno
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The Senate refusing to even consider a SCOTUS nomination should be considered a violation of the Constitution. They are not doing their job, period. Just because it doesn't say the Senate "must" consider it shouldn't mean they can indefinitely stall it out when it's politically beneficial.
Also, as for Trump abandoning "Drain The Swamp", it doesn't surprise me since he had literally no plan of doing it anyway.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Queen Elizabeth has cancelled Christmas travel plans due to illness. #2016
PantherLotus
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which theory was that exactly? i know you said all of them but just one example is what i'm thinking here
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
I agree with that, but with the caveat that appointing Supreme Court justices is not like enacting a law. A law can be repealed for any reason whatsoever; the same is not true of removing a Supreme Court justice or overturning Supreme Court opinions.
Yes, President Obama was democratically elected to a full term, and part of his responsibilities was to nominate a Supreme Court justice when a vacancy arose. And he did. What he did not do was what he could not do without the advice and consent of the democratically elected Senate, which was to appoint a new Supreme Court justice. The only way your argument works is if you ignore voters' choices in 2010, 2012, and 2014 regarding senators.
Er ... you think I'm so wrong that I'm placing myself in danger of eternal damnation? But in that case, I'll raise you a 1 Peter 3:15:
Peter said:
So, if you think I'm wrong, explain why you think so, rather than inexplicably threatening me with Hell.
tell that to CrookedHillary, or Little Marco or Lyin Ted.
And actually I don't know what communications theory you're refering to, but the use of diminutive or desultory nicknames is HIGHLY effective.
Hillary Clinton
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balladofwindfishes
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Oh dear, that would just be the terrible cherry on top of a bad year if she passes.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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lol, which one of you lurker losers sent me a death threat?
I have no idea who's alt "Atom Playboy" is, but come on, this is so cowardly to send a death threat to someone and then not put your actual user name on it.
lmao.
I have no idea who's alt "Atom Playboy" is, but come on, this is so cowardly to send a death threat to someone and then not put your actual user name on it.
lmao.
ImpracticalPassword
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Or the beginning of #fuck2017.
Was this through a PM or e-mail? You might want to contact a mod either way though.
balladofwindfishes
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That message looks like it was sent by a 13 year old.
Like a list of ways you can mess around with NPCs in a Hitman game
Ignatz Mouse
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What stance have you even taken to get such attention? They don't even say why they're pissed.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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So it can't be a Trump voter because they never reached the level of grammar and word skill of 13 years old. The mystery deepens.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't know if it's been said or not but the Constitution doesn't require there be 9 supreme court justices.
balladofwindfishes
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It's unusually wordy. He describes opening your stomach up to expose your entrails three separate times. Seems a little redundant. Poor writing. Should go back and revise his ItWasMeantToBe19 slasher related fanfiction a bit more.
neurosisxeno
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Small Government at work.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ahh, looks like it was just a spambot.
Sorry for jumping down your throats, loser lurkers!
... Who designs a spambot to tweet threatening messages at random people? lol what's the point? How fucked up do you have to be?
Sorry for jumping down your throats, loser lurkers!
... Who designs a spambot to tweet threatening messages at random people? lol what's the point? How fucked up do you have to be?
That's one hell of a spambot, goddamn.
ShironRedshift
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Yes. That's determined by law, by Congress. And the current laws on the book say 9. Congress could pass a law to lower that, or they could pass one to to raise the number. But as the laws stand, it's 9. Ergo, that being the case, the President has a duty to appoint a replacement and the Senate has a duty to confirm that appointment. Congress could pass a law to lower the number of justices to get out of that through that method if they wished, but they have not chosen to do this, and ergo not relevant to the discussion at all.
balladofwindfishes
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Ah, that would explain why it repeated itself like 4 times.
lol, seriously. Who designs something so pointless and silly like that?
Veritigo_X
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Not even loser lurkers are safe from automation
Way too many people still associate Modern Russia with the USSR. It's baffling. Criticizing Russia should be like the easiest thing ever for socialists but too many have forgotten that anti-imperialism does not mean pro-Russianism.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Pro-Russia trolls are going to have their jerbs taken by robots and it's gonna be great to see their tears.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Republicans have been using this method for over a decade and now control all three branches of government as well as the vast majority of local offices. But, please, by all means: stick with your "Communications theory." It is working so well.
Democrats have tried to take the elitist highbrow "high road" recently and it has bit them hard. This past election should make them think a little harder about actually playing politics considering how easy it is to get people in this country to believe anything.
After tape releases:
"It's about time we took that word back from the politically correct liberals who hijacked it away from what we want to use it for. Trump stands up for us real Americans."
--Republicans
ItWasMeantToBe19
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To be fair, the pussy tape did drop Trump by three points after it came out... It's just that the three points evaporated over time as Republicans rationalized being a sexual predator.
But if a tape is released four or five days before the election, there's not enough time for Republicans to rationalize horrible things Trump said.
This is why Hillary should have had oppo ready for November
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
To be fair, the pussy tape did drop Trump by three points after it came out... It's just that the three points evaporated over time as Republicans rationalized being a sexual predator.
But if a tape is released four or five days before the election, there's not enough time for Republicans to rationalize horrible things Trump said.
This is why Hillary should have had oppo ready for November
We discussed this a bit during the election--especially the fact that Hillary's performance in the debates would not be as useful considering how far away from the election the debates actually are. Recency and all that. I totally agree--stuff should have been saved for right before the election. Maybe in 2020.
To be fair, the pussy tape did drop Trump by three points after it came out... It's just that the three points evaporated over time as Republicans rationalized being a sexual predator.
But if a tape is released four or five days before the election, there's not enough time for Republicans to rationalize horrible things Trump said.
This is why Hillary should have had oppo ready for November
Don't want to ever hear about oppo droppo.
(or her superior GOTV tbh).
Joe Shlabotnik
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Oh my god, can you imagine if this is one of Trump's first responsibilities as the country's statesman
whyamihere
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The Crown season 2 is gonna be weird.
tedrotheredro
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Jesus flying fuck. I can't fathom why the media was so obsessed with Clinton's e-mail's, while neglecting a responsibility to the country to call out obvious bullshit. But I guess that wouldn't get as many clicks or views.
balladofwindfishes
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Trump is the highest ranking member of the GOP, currently. It doesn't matter what the "official" GOP platform is. He IS the GOP. It's HIS platform and HIS agenda. The GOP follows HIM.
I guess nobody told him that, yet
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