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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented

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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Slime said:
Fox News has succeeded in hammering into people's heads the idea that regulation is the source of America's economic woes. I've heard that line from all my Fox News-watching American relatives now, and it's fucking sad.

Post-truth propaganda has convinced people that the cure is the source of the disease.
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In fairness, Republicans in general have been delivering that message for ages.
 
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Debirudog

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I don't get being the enemy of the west is your friend when Russia itself is very centered around anti-environmental stances and pro-businesses, perhaps even worse off than America (though that would change under Trump's presidency)
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Donald Trump is probably the single worst person who could have been picked as president.

Trump’s closest aides have come to accept that he is likely to rule out candidates if they are not attractive or not do not match his image of the type of person who should hold a certain job.

“That’s the language he speaks. He’s very aesthetic,” said one person familiar with the transition team’s internal deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “You can come with somebody who is very much qualified for the job, but if they don’t look the part, they’re not going anywhere.”

Several of Trump’s associates said they thought that John R. Bolton’s brush-like mustache was one of the factors that handicapped the bombastic former United Nations ambassador in the sweepstakes for secretary of state.

“Donald was not going to like that mustache,” said one associate, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly. “I can’t think of anyone that’s really close to Donald that has a beard that he likes.”

Trump was drawn to Tillerson and 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney for secretary of state because of their presence and the way they command a room when they walk in.

The president-elect considered Romney despite the former Massachusetts governor’s scathing criticism of him during the presidential campaign. Several Trump associates say he was drawn to Romney, and later to Tillerson, by their “central casting” quality, a phrase the president-elect uses frequently in his private deliberations.

People close to Trump said he has been eager to tap a telegenic woman as press secretary or in some other public-facing role in his White House — both because he thinks it would attract viewers and would help inoculate him from the charges of sexism that trailed his presidential campaign.

His first choice was his campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, who has resisted the offer. Others under consideration included Laura Ingraham, Kimberly Guilfoyle and Monica Crowley, all of whom are conservative pundits familiar to the viewers of Fox News Channel.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c064d32a4bf_story.html?utm_term=.ff070af28a9e

He has nothing going on in his head.
 
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B-Dubs

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Trouble said:
Has Glenn Greenwald always been a full blown Russia Stan? This MSNBC interview is embarrassing.
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His stance of everything is basically "the west is bad and anyone against them is good" regardless of accuracy. It crystallized hilariously during the Brazil corruption thing over the summer when he attacked the exact sort of leaks he made his name reporting on.
 
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ImpracticalPassword

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Donald Trump is probably the single worst person who could have been picked as president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c064d32a4bf_story.html?utm_term=.ff070af28a9e

He has nothing going on in his head.
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I'm surprised. I kinda think that Bolton's mustache makes him look like a statesman from old movies. More than Tillerson.

Though SoS is a tough one, as the previous ones have been John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright. But, to be fair, there were several decades of mustacheless men before that...
 
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royalan

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The more I watch Democrats REACH for Ls by reaching across the aisle, the more I am convinced that the left does need it's own version of the tea party.

What's happening nationally is appalling. What's happening in Texas is appalling. What's happening in NC makes me burn with rage. And Democrats do not help when they lay down, compromise on their beliefs, and try to "work with" these monsters.

Democrats who continue to lay down need to be challenged in their districts.
 
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InsaneZero

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Dan said:
Am I wrong, or did I hear that Charlotte's move only takes effect if HB2 is repealed? So it's legally contingent on the state.
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They tried that, the GOP bitched about it, so the ordinance is now unconditionally dead.

Also: NC Republicans are bad and you should never trust them.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Susana Martinez (NM Gov, R) actually seems to realize that repealing Obamacare is the dumbest, most destructive thing the GOP could do.

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sphagnum

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royalan said:
The more I watch Democrats REACH for Ls by reaching across the aisle, the more I am convinced that the left does need it's own version of the tea party.

What's happening nationally is appalling. What's happening in Texas is appalling. What's happening in NC makes me burn with rage. And Democrats do not help when they lay down, compromise on the beliefs, and try to "work with" these monsters.

Democrats who continue to lay down need to be challenged in their districts.
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This is why radicalism shouldn't be scoffed at. The ones far from the middle are the least likely to sell you down the river and constitute the energy, heart, and conscience of a movement.
 
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Balphon

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royalan said:
The more I watch Democrats REACH for Ls by reaching across the aisle, the more I am convinced that the left does need it's own version of the tea party.

What's happening nationally is appalling. What's happening in Texas is appalling. What's happening in NC makes me burn with rage. And Democrats do not help when they lay down, compromise on the beliefs, and try to "work with" these monsters.

Democrats who continue to lay down need to be challenged in their districts.
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The GOP has large majorities in both chambers in NC and TX. What else are they going to do?

It's not like there was a wave in NC. All of four incumbents in the NC House lost in November and two of them were Democrats.
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
royalan said:
The more I watch Democrats REACH for Ls by reaching across the aisle, the more I am convinced that the left does need it's own version of the tea party.

What's happening nationally is appalling. What's happening in Texas is appalling. What's happening in NC makes me burn with rage. And Democrats do not help when they lay down, compromise on their beliefs, and try to "work with" these monsters.

Democrats who continue to lay down need to be challenged in their districts.
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edNGkjr.jpg


This cartoon continues to define Democrats. They're Charlie Brown to the Republican's Lucy, pulling desired legislation away each and every time.
 
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Azzanadra

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Well looks like Lyin' Ted is back at it.

Well in Trump winning, we could say at least it wasn't this guy right? Trump seems irrational enough, but Cruz's religious zealotry takes on an irrationality that somehow exceeds that of Don.

The worst part? You know these Democrats will bend backwards to compromise with the GOP, the slightest hint of resistance called as attack on America itself. Makes me kind of upset that Obama tried to appease them so when they won't do the same.

EDIT: That image above best describes the relationship.
 
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Debirudog

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sphagnum said:
This is why radicalism shouldn't be scoffed at. The ones far from the middle are the least likely to sell you down the river and constitute the energy, heart, and conscience of a movement.
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radicalism is still kinda ugly. I'm not exactly far-left but I still vouch for fighting dirty towards republicans.
 
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excelsiorlef

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sphagnum said:
This is why radicalism shouldn't be scoffed at. The ones far from the middle are the least likely to sell you down the river and constitute the energy, heart, and conscience of a movement.
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Yes and no.

Social far leftists yes

Pure economic focused far leftists I trust less.
 
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Valhelm

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pigeon said:
I was actually just thinking the other day that we kind of screwed up way back in WWII considering Stalin's USSR to be communist at all when he was clearly a fascist. The only reason he got a pass was that he helped us fight the other fascist.

Calling the USSR communist for like forty years really screwed up our understanding of a lot of political issues.
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It's no accident. Both the American and Russian governments throughout the Cold War tried to make the word "socialism" inseparable from the Marxist-Leninist Soviet model, for opposite reasons. While the Americans pointed to the Soviet misery as the inevitable conclusion of any socialist experiment, the Soviet leadership tried to connect their system to the socialism described by Marx, despite glaring differences.

excelsiorlef said:
Yes and no.

Social far leftists yes

Pure economic focused far leftists I trust less.
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In America, there are very few "pure economic focused far leftists". That's largely an invention of center-left liberals who try to claim a monopoly on social progressivism.
 
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royalan

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Valhelm said:
In America, there are very few "pure economic focused far leftists". That's largely an invention of center-left liberals who try to claim a monopoly on social progressivism.
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Bernie "Less focus on Identity Politics" Sanders and that doofus that tried to replace Nancy Pelosi beg to differ.
 
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Odrion

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royalan said:
The more I watch Democrats REACH for Ls by reaching across the aisle, the more I am convinced that the left does need it's own version of the tea party.

What's happening nationally is appalling. What's happening in Texas is appalling. What's happening in NC makes me burn with rage. And Democrats do not help when they lay down, compromise on their beliefs, and try to "work with" these monsters.

Democrats who continue to lay down need to be challenged in their districts.
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+1
 
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sphagnum

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excelsiorlef said:
Yes and no.

Social far leftists yes

Pure economic focused far leftists I trust less.
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Neither are sufficient without the other.

Edit: I don't mean here that you need two groups, one that is purely social focused and one that is purely economics focused, but that we need to focus on both because they are inextricably linked.
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
JP_ said:
Republican deficit policy has always been increase deficit under republican president and pretend to be deficit hawks under democrat president
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More than that, they blame Democrats for the deficits created under Republican rule. Bush and company made our country lean and mean, then Obama sold us to China!
 
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mo60

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Donald Trump is probably the single worst person who could have been picked as president.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c064d32a4bf_story.html?utm_term=.ff070af28a9e

He has nothing going on in his head.
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So he's not picking people for cabinet positions because they fit the position but because they fit some requirement he has set for that position like how a candidate for the position walked around a room.Wow.

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Susana Martinez (NM Gov, R) actually seems to realize that repealing Obamacare is the dumbest, most destructive thing the GOP could do.

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The GOP is probably screwed in New Mexico in 2018 because of the governor election in that year if they repeal the ACA and replace it with nothing before then.
 
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Rebel Leader

THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Yep.

Millennials who voted for Trump gonna be so mad that the Switch costs an extra ten bucks under Trump. But you played yourself!
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Can he really do it without congress? I mean tarrif is just a longer word for tax


He'll be damned to hell and vack if he thinks i want to pay 14% sales tax
 
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Abinash117

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Sooo I heard that their might be a bubble because the stocks are really high right now, expecting growth under Trump. How would tariffs effect that considering tariffs might harm economic growth?
 
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mo60

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