Thagomizer
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"I oppose white nationalism I just won't do anything to fight it, as long as the party also opposing it has a nomination structure I already admitted did nothing to change the outcome"
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.
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"I oppose white nationalism I just won't do anything to fight it, as long as the party also opposing it has a nomination structure I already admitted did nothing to change the outcome"
Officerrob
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Ahh, so you just won't vote for the one person in the way to stop it. Keep whining about superdelegates though, that will surely stop white nationalism
metalslimer
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If someone on the level of Trump (and no that's not Bernie Sanders) ever managed to con people, yes I want them there to stop him/her.
User 463088
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So I figured out who Kaine reminded me of. My dad. So totally my dad. That same goodness that you see? So much like my dad. He'd have liked this pick I think.
I don't trust Democratic insiders any more than I trust voters to make that decision. If Bernie actually had popular support and it was close I believe they would have stopped him.
Joe Shlabotnik
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"I don't like white nationalism but I don't care enough about it to make a bare minimum practical effort to oppose it"
You don't oppose white nationalism. I don't insult your intelligence, so don't insult mine.
eBay Huckster
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hrm yes let me keep posting this hypothetical with no basis in reality that conveniently justifies my personal biases so that i can keep on avoiding making any effort to actually stop a white nationalist from being elected
jack_package_200
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Anyone got a link to Kaine's speech?
Same on all counts.
All of them were also fucking silent during all the RNC bullshit.
Same on all counts.
All of them were also fucking silent during all the RNC bullshit.
Officerrob
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I remember when they did that to Barack Obama, such a shame. Lord knows blocking the black guy, with the funny name, and little political experience who was standing in the way of the Clinton political machine was simply the best thing to do for the party.
BlastProcessing
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I don't have much patience for someone who would fight to remove Superdelegates before they fought to remove Caucuses.
Spoiled Milk
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Damn, pigeon, you've been on the fucking warpath lately, especially in OT. Your patience running thin with these anti Hillary lunatics?
No, they have all those special guests on Tuesdays. It's gonna be one punch after another in the name of social justice. Mothers of the movement, bitches.
Topic to discuss the speech
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1251537
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1251537
You are just wrong. My non vote for Hillary is not approval of white nationalism.
I already posted I support removal of caucuses too.
metalslimer
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No they wouldn't have. They didn't stop Obama when Hilary was the obvious choice and they wouldn't have stopped Sanders. And these democratic insiders (I didn't realize every democratic elected official was some corporate stooge) are who Bernie would have to work with as president. These are the people that will be voting on policy and drafting the legislation and voting for his picks
eBay Huckster
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you're just wrong! first past the post is a neoliberal conspiracy to keep everyone voting for two people. it's not like non-voting for someone you probably agree with 90% of the time puts more value on the votes of people unironically voting for a fascist
Thagomizer
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Just like they did in 2008
O wait.
This hypothetical sort of falls apart when this situation actually happened, with Hillary, in the last non-incumbent election
RastaMentality
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Bill has to be given time to speak for 2 hours.
jack_package_200
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This.
Caucuses ACTUALLY disenfranchise people. Voter id laws ACTUALLY disenfranchise people.
Voysa Reezun
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So tired of people who won't be affected by a white nationalist winning the presidency (or who think they won't be affected by it) pretending that the give fucks about stopping white nationalism. Those people are phony, frauds, fakes, and perfectly fine with white nationalists hurting minorities as punishment for not voting the way they wanted them to.
Grand kid: "What did you do to stop trump grandpa?"
You: "Well let me tell you about how corrupt super delegates and Hillary are..."
I bet your dad was a kind, smiley man
User 463088
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You know.... Except for the successful part.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Doing nothing to stop it is just as bad as supporting it. Not everybody supported segregation and slavery either but they accepted it or didn't stand up to it.
It's unfortunate that this is the reality all of us are confronted with but it is what it is. Had this been Marco Rubio, or Bush, or Romney I would say fine do what you want.
Take a good, long luck at the UK right now I would suggest. The leader of our left wing party being directly elected by the voters has crippled Labour utterly, and setting them up for their biggest electoral defeat since the party started.
Democratic primaries are a bloody awful way of choosing leaders.
It's partly that Oregon culture of "being different". They will take whatever they can to maintain their ideological purity, to remain convinced that Hillary is a complete lie.
eBay Huckster
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for example, Obama actually appealed to minorities
StopMakingSense
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it's more messed up than that, Corbyn wasn't elected by Labour voters, but those who paid a fee to be a member of the party just to vote for him. The actual people who regularly vote Labour don't want him.
BlastProcessing
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Cool, I have more patience for you than Bernie Sanders. You do understand that Superdelegates are largely a check to assure that minority groups within the party have a say?
And I would say a non-vote for Hillary is at least a half vote for white nationalism So, congrats on that front.
Joe Shlabotnik
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No we're past this now. Sorry. We had primaries, and things were up in the air, and while it looked like it was coming down to what it is now we couldn't be sure, and even if Trump won there was still some question as to how he'd run a general campaign, and everyone was understandably voting for their personal preference.
It's Clinton vs. Trump. No one else is going to be President. Trump has, like, quadrupled down on everything in the primaries. It's Clinton vs. a white nationalist. Not voting for Clinton is not technically approving of white nationalism but it is readily accepting the consequences of a white nationalist President, which is a distinction without a difference. Especially if you're not white.
This country was founded with various mechanisms to protect the country in case the population was dumb enough to nominate someone like Trump.
Those being eroded over time is the only reason we're here today facing down the nightmare.
nature boy
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This Trump Democrat on Fox News....
With a bowtie.
BlastProcessing
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Of course Tim Kaine won a spelling bee.
That is exactly what your non-vote is. Complicity is support. Done with the coddling after the shit we have to sit through this week.
You have the power to help stop white nationalism, it wouldn't cost you a thing, and you are making the choice to sit it out.
Vote or not, your choice. But you don't get to feel morally superior about not voting. And you sure don't get to claim you don't support white nationalism. You do. #SorryBoutIt
Not voting for Hillary does not equal not doing anything to stop white nationalism. I can oppose it in other ways, I just won't vote for Hillary. As a candidate she crosses a line and I just won't be part of her mandate.
User 463088
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Omg he did? So adorable!
I bet he did it in Spanish too how embarrassing!
Bam Bam Baklava
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How will you oppose it? Will you vote for down ballot to stop Trump from having too much power?
what state do you live in?
Thagomizer
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In what ways do you meaningfully fight against it? Saying you don't support it on a message board means nothing.
What do you do?
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