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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why

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royalan

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wait so because you don't like her she should get rape and death threats? cool
Don't do that. Don't be messy.

Nowhere in my post do I even imply that. So go somewhere else with that mess.

Nobody deserves death threats. Sarah Jones' criticisms tend to be petty and fanboyish. You can believe both.
 

Suikoguy

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Emerson

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This is pretty classic GAF bullshit though people just taking your statement and extrapolating it out to the most extreme possible conclusion and pretending that's what you said.
 
Just seems to me like attacking a disabled woman for being a bit petty while Hillary fans are sending her death threats is Not A Good Look. I doubt of Sady Doyle got threats for some petty tweet about Bernie people would be like "oh what a petty tweet" but I could be wrong.
 

B-Dubs

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Just seems to me like attacking a disabled woman for being a bit petty while Hillary fans are sending her death threats is Not A Good Look. I doubt of Sady Doyle got threats for some petty tweet about Bernie people would be like "oh what a petty tweet" but I could be wrong.

Again, he never said anything like that.
 
Is the entire GOP anti-nato is this just a trump thing?

No. That's why they've had Pence and others cleaning up after him after his NATO gaffes. The Republican establishment still supports it. They're just tolerating the international embarrassments because they want to use him to enact domestic policy.
 

kirblar

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Just seems to me like attacking a disabled woman for being a bit petty while Hillary fans are sending her death threats is Not A Good Look. I doubt of Sady Doyle got threats for some petty tweet about Bernie people would be like "oh what a petty tweet" but I could be wrong.
Criticizing a person is not an "attack".

Your post, on the other hand, is a blatantly disingenuous attack where you're deliberately using language to elevate her status and exaggerate the original poster's intent in order to make that poster look shitty and prevent them from speaking out. Thankfully, it's backfiring on you hard.
 

Emerson

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No. That's why they've had Pence and others cleaning up after him after his NATO gaffes. The Republican establishment still supports it. They're just tolerating the international embarrassments because they want to use him to enact domestic policy.

Yeah. But somehow they haven't yet realized that Trump can't enact domestic policy. The man couldn't trim his own pubes without accidentally cutting the tip of his dick off. He can't do anything. He's fucking useless, but they cling onto him like barnacles on the goddamn Titanic.

Criticizing a person is not an "attack".

Your post, on the other hand, is a blatantly disingenuous attack where you're deliberately using language to elevate her status and exaggerate the original poster's intent in order to make that poster look shitty and prevent them from speaking out. Thankfully, it's backfiring on you hard.

Not to mention the mention of the woman being disabled as if that is in any way relevant.
 
No. That's why they've had Pence and others cleaning up after him after his NATO gaffes. The Republican establishment still supports it. They're just tolerating the international embarrassments because they want to use him to enact domestic policy.

I guess thats a bit of a relief, but i still cant face palm hard enough.
 

royalan

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Just seems to me like attacking a disabled woman for being a bit petty while Hillary fans are sending her death threats is Not A Good Look. I doubt of Sady Doyle got threats for some petty tweet about Bernie people would be like "oh what a petty tweet" but I could be wrong.

You haven't made a lick of sense, and there's a lot wrong with this post, but I'm addressing what I put in bold because it particularly offends me, and is just really fucking gross.

Going out of your way to mention a person's disability and weaponize it to attack me, when the only person who's made mention of her Sarah Jones' disability is you.

Seriously, quit while you're an entire country mile behind.
 
You haven't made a lick of sense, and there's a lot wrong with this post, but I'm addressing what I put in bold because it particularly offends me, and is just really fucking gross.

Going out of your way to mention a person's disability and weaponize it to attack me, when the only person who's made mention of her Sarah Jones' disability is you.

Seriously, quit while you're an entire country mile behind.
Her disability is one of the most important reasons for her politics, which are the actual reason as a socialist that she doesn't like Hillary. You've made it seem like some personal grudge that she has because she made a petty tweet about the interview and ignored any substantive critiques she's ever made, calling her "one of the worst" while ignoring that she gets death threats from Hillary fans for daring to criticize her. That seems kind of shitty to me! I'll be done now though.
 

royalan

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Her disability is one of the most important reasons for her politics, which are the actual reason as a socialist that she doesn't like Hillary. You've made it seem like some personal grudge that she has because she made a petty tweet about the interview and ignored any substantive critiques she's ever made, calling her "one of the worst" while ignoring that she gets death threats from Hillary fans for daring to criticize her. That seems kind of shitty to me! I'll be done now though.

Again, her disability is completely irrelevant to my criticism (for that matter, so are her politics). That you keep bringing it up to deflect from the criticism you're getting in this thread is gross.
 
Her disability is one of the most important reasons for her politics, which are the actual reason as a socialist that she doesn't like Hillary. You've made it seem like some personal grudge that she has because she made a petty tweet about the interview and ignored any substantive critiques she's ever made, calling her "one of the worst" while ignoring that she gets death threats from Hillary fans for daring to criticize her. That seems kind of shitty to me! I'll be done now though.

If you really wanted to be done, you could apologize and we could move on.

As someone who is married to a person with a disability, your use of it like a cudgel was gross and damaging. You have been trying to score points rather than engage in a discussion and I don't get why. If you want to transmit your ideas, there are better ways to do it than hide behind trumped up personal attacks.
 

kirblar

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Her disability is one of the most important reasons for her politics, which are the actual reason as a socialist that she doesn't like Hillary. You've made it seem like some personal grudge that she has because she made a petty tweet about the interview and ignored any substantive critiques she's ever made, calling her "one of the worst" while ignoring that she gets death threats from Hillary fans for daring to criticize her. That seems kind of shitty to me! I'll be done now though.
Ah, there it is. Tribalism.
 
Again, her disability is completely irrelevant to my criticism (for that matter, so are her politics). That you keep bringing it up to deflect from the criticism you're getting in this thread is gross.

If you really wanted to be done, you could apologize and we could move on.

As someone who is married to a person with a disability, your use of it like a cudgel was gross and damaging. You have been trying to score points rather than engage in a discussion and I don't get why. If you want to transmit your ideas, there are better ways to do it than hide behind trumped up personal attacks.
Okay, I'm sorry I escalated things as much as I did. I still think my other point (kicking at her for a petty tweet while she's getting harassed is bad) stands but obviously royalan wasn't suggesting she should get threatened, and that's shitty of me to imply.
 

Suikoguy

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It's really depressing that they turned McMaster into a Spicer/Conway role where nobody can take him seriously.

I wonder what is going on with McMaster. His recent downplaying of the Kushner back-channel bullshit is really disconcerting. There have been countless people of former significant positions just stunned at the news. I don't know what the President can order him to do, but he will be forever tarnished whether he was involved or not in the Russia situation.
 
I don't think he's involved but he's just going to get fired if he goes against the admin but he can maintain plausible deniability by saying that the admin only fed him so much information if it ever comes to trial/committee.
 

Y2Kev

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Just seems to me like attacking a disabled woman for being a bit petty while Hillary fans are sending her death threats is Not A Good Look. I doubt of Sady Doyle got threats for some petty tweet about Bernie people would be like "oh what a petty tweet" but I could be wrong.

What a genuinely shitty series of posts, man. Good god. Are you drunk or something?
 
I wonder what is going on with McMaster. His recent downplaying of the Kushner back-channel bullshit is really disconcerting. There have been countless people of former significant positions just stunned at the news. I don't know what the President can order him to do, but he will be forever tarnished whether he was involved or not in the Russia situation.

I figure there are one of two possibilities:

1) McMaster is drinking the koolaide now.

2) McMaster knows that by knowingly spewing Trump's BS publicly, he secures Trump's trust which protects his role without having to actually DO anything for Trump.
 

kirblar

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I figure there are one of two possibilities:

1) McMaster is drinking the koolaide now.

2) McMaster knows that by knowingly spewing Trump's BS publicly, he secures Trump's trust which protects his role without having to actually DO anything for Trump.
No matter why, something has become clear: He has become what he hates.
 

royalan

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I figure there are one of two possibilities:

1) McMaster is drinking the koolaide now.

2) McMaster knows that by knowingly spewing Trump's BS publicly, he secures Trump's trust which protects his role without having to actually DO anything for Trump.

I'd eliminate #2, because by serving as Trump's mouthpiece he is doing something.
 
I'd eliminate #2, because by serving as Trump's mouthpiece he is doing something.
No matter why, something has become clear: He has become what he hates.

I guess what I mean is that verbally sucking up to Trump isn't actually doing anything other than stroking Trump's ego.

It doesn't prevent him from doing his actual job as NSA. It doesn't involve ratting out any IC or FBI people that are leaking to the press. It doesn't't even involve any enactment of Trump's shitty agenda. It's literally just saying shit so that Trump doesn't get angry at him.

Or to put it another way, McMaster playing the PR role doesn't mean he isn't leaking to the press himself.
 

kirblar

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I guess what I mean is that verbally sucking up to Trump isn't actually doing anything other than stroking Trump's ego.

It doesn't prevent him from doing his actual job as NSA. It doesn't involve ratting out any IC or FBI people that are leaking to the press. It doesn't't even involve any enactment of Trump's shitty agenda. It's literally just saying shit so that Trump doesn't get angry at him.

Or to put it another way, McMaster playing the PR role doesn't mean he isn't leaking to the press himself.
An issue w/ McMaster that popped up w/ the Israel Laptop Intel leak regarding his role as NSA is that McMaster's background isn't intelligence. It's more general war strategy and leadership.
 
An issue w/ McMaster that popped up w/ the Israel Laptop Intel leak regarding his role as NSA is that McMaster's background isn't intelligence. It's more general war strategy and leadership.

Sure, but his competency at the job is affected by his background, not whether or not he verbally sucks up to Trump.

And it's not even like McMaster has much of a choice. Dude is literally only working for Trump because he is legally required to accept the job.
 

tuxfool

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I figure there are one of two possibilities:

1) McMaster is drinking the koolaide now.

2) McMaster knows that by knowingly spewing Trump's BS publicly, he secures Trump's trust which protects his role without having to actually DO anything for Trump.

Apropos:

Your City or Your Soul: On Moral Compromise and Government Service

So should you serve under Trump as a person of conscience? The question is twofold, as Machiavelli suggests: first, by serving, are you doing good, or at least forestalling the possibility of something worse? (Remember, Trump gave a speech in Saudi Arabia yesterday that was not a disaster, and the National Security Council process that McMaster runs almost certainly helped prevent that looming catastrophe.) The second question is harder: even if you are doing good, at what point will the damage that service does to your soul become too much for you to bear? And are you even in a position to know?
 
It strikes me that the people who would make an argument that what Kushner et al are doing isn't technically treason are the same people shouting that Snowden was a traitor and should be executed.


Just to make sure I get it, there's no "NATO fund," right? It's simply countries increasing the amount of funding they give their own military? They don't pay the US anything.

Uh, Skiing is a pretty overwhelmingly white industry.

Just to be clear, you're not casting any shade towards Clinton about this, right?

No, Clinton didn't do anything and was very nice to the girl. It's the mom seemingly thinking her adult daughter owed some kind of apology to Clinton when, frankly, people not voting for Clinton was only a problem in 3 states out of 50, and even then, the problem was more Obama voters voting FOR Trump, not abstention.
 
It's such a small thing to get angry about but I feel like this is the kind of stuff that has made me angry recently

It's more like it represents a disgusting trend for the administration and an embarrassment for the US as a whole.

And yes as far as I know there's no NATO fund. Just a level of defense spending countries have which is supposed to be at/above a certain level by like 2018 or some jazz. The US is well above the 2% level since we're super militaristic but a bunch of other countries are ramping up leading up to the deadline.
 

tuxfool

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It's more like it represents a disgusting trend for the administration and an embarrassment for the US as a whole.

And yes as far as I know there's no NATO fund. Just a level of defense spending countries have which is supposed to be at/above a certain level by like 2018 or some jazz. The US is well above the 2% level since we're super militaristic but a bunch of other countries are ramping up leading up to the deadline.

To note that number is just a guideline, a gross suggested target.
 

Emerson

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The caption thing is really not the kind of thing I'd normally get upset about it. It's simply way too easy (and frankly not that unlikely anyway) for them to say "Obviously it was just an oversight" and leave you looking like the overly-sensitive type they accuse you of being.

But considering who's in charge, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it wasn't an accident.
 
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