I see this as less of a slam on Hillary (well, I guess it is, but it's a fairly deserved one) and more of a warning shot to 2020 contenders: if you can't articulate what you stand for and why you should be president on your own, don't bother running. And I agree with that!
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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I see this as less of a slam on Hillary (well, I guess it is, but it's a fairly deserved one) and more of a warning shot to 2020 contenders: if you can't articulate what you stand for and why you should be president on your own, don't bother running. And I agree with that!
Joe Shlabotnik
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SatelliteOfLove
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Everyone with an "R" after their name just lost their goddamn minds today jesus fucking christ if you're going to self-destruct this bad stick to putting bleach in your morning cereal to blunt the damage to society.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I cannot fathom what the reasoning is behind this other than keeping the lower classes in their same position. This hurts the paychecks of millions of Americans. Paul Ryan's idiotic "bu bu but the free market people are unfairly discriminated against!!!" line is infuriating.
I'll say this: If this somehow got passed, I think it would pretty much guarantee a blue wave in 2018. If the democrats cannot finally flip the message around and show that republicans are the real tax-and-spend part when it comes to screwing over anyone that isn't rich, I'll run for office and do it myself. This is ludicrous.
Spoiled Milk
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Wait, I think I've seen this story before...
Bush kills global warming treaty
Just in case you think this hurts Trump, you might be surprised to know Bush continued to be president for 7 1/2 years.
Bush kills global warming treaty
Just in case you think this hurts Trump, you might be surprised to know Bush continued to be president for 7 1/2 years.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
But i thought they hate taxes and big government
GoldenEye 007
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All it took was 3000 dead Americans and a America Fuck Yeah speech right after and he was golden.
Aaron Strife
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tbh a lot of people hear "global warming" and think wearing shorts in February. People aren't going to grasp the consequences until it's too late, but if a significant majority is concerned now we can at least blunt some of the pain.
lol just fucking gift wrap 2018 for us if this passes. GOP is going to raise your taxes AND take away peoples' health insurance?
People like low taxes and free shit. This is like the direct opposite of that.
platypotamus
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Well, the future is looking bright
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
When I hear proposals like this, I can't help but think the GOP knows a power swing is coming and they're trying to cram through every dumb thing they can to line their own pockets before it happens.
9/11 and a horrible democratic candidate surely had something to do with that.
The dual mandate of the EPA is to maximize employment, while keeping inflation acceptably low. Everyone knows that.
Only when it affects the very wealthy and corporations.
(This is a good thing.)
Fenderputty
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If they tax employer insurance I'm going to go mental on every republican I know ...
What the fuck
aspiegamer
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5 of the top 10 top global Twitter trends are related to this currently. 5 of the top 7 in the US.
Trump lives on cable news, and he has to know this is comically unpopular. We'll surely see a Twitter rant by tomorrow morning after he has to watch an entire night of people shitting on him... More than usual, that is. It amuses me greatly watching countries you know he considers weak (hi France, Germany) talk shit to the US and be 100% justified in doing so.
Trump lives on cable news, and he has to know this is comically unpopular. We'll surely see a Twitter rant by tomorrow morning after he has to watch an entire night of people shitting on him... More than usual, that is. It amuses me greatly watching countries you know he considers weak (hi France, Germany) talk shit to the US and be 100% justified in doing so.
RustyNails
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Senate Rs are just trying to kill AHCA. They know FC wont vote for tax hike. They just dont want to deal with it.
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between a quark and a baryon
Nm
Which means it'll pass and Republicans will still control the house and White House in 2019.
I don't share that optimism or hope that voters will turn out in 2018 to "teach the GOP a lesson".
ShadowSwordmaster
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The Pod save America people should do a podcast about UK politics and call it Pod Save the Queen.
I keep hitting the big red button but some asshole just brings me a coke.
They'll vote for it if they have to should the Senate finally send it back. Don't be fooled. Priority #1 is erasing Obama's biggest accomplishments like they never happened
Officerrob
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I figured the Freedom Caucus would swallow anything the Senate sent them, but I think taxing employer healthcare plans is a bridge too far
ShadowSwordmaster
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From the Paris OT.
UberTag
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9/11 was the best thing to ever happen to Dubya's presidency.
The 2nd best thing was Trump getting elected to make him look good by comparison.
Dubbedinenglish
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"For pod and country"
Okay. Catch you later when he votes for the Senate health care bill!
aspiegamer
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We've covered this. Literally any 'D' who might vote against the President even 1% of the time is better than any 'R' that would in lockstep. Fortunately he's a lot more reliable than just 1%.
ShadowSwordmaster
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That is pretty good.
Carpe Libertatem
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This is like a bizarre precursor to single payer
GOP making some questionable decisions lately
Autodidact
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If it gets to the point where they vote on it, they wouldn't need Manchin's vote. He'd only vote for it to appeal to his constituents and avoid being replaced by a Republican.
Basileus777
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Dubya is still worse than Trump despite some hard attempts to rewrite history.
Exactly. He'll vote for Schumer as majority leader. Captain Coal Roller wouldn't.
Edit: Dubya was only worse than Trump (so far) because he at least surrounded himself with competently bad people and listened to them most of the time.
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Pretty shit comparison considering whatever he says about the Paris accord has literally zero actual effect on anything.
This is 100% on Trump and nobody else.
It's a complete political loser but it's actually necessary as part of the transition to a car insurance model for health care.
This is why if we have the GOP pass this horribly unpopular part of it for us, it's a big net win for us going forward. We get a necessary but unpopular change added to the books, and we get to run against them on it while not actually changing it once in power. Right out of the GOP playbook!
The reason we have our shitty employer-sponsored health care system in the first place is that during WWII wages were capped while benefits were not. So instead of offering more cash, they offered paid-for insurance. Once people got home, and the wage caps were lifted, people didn't want to give up the benefits. And so it eventually became formalized even though no economist or policymaker would actively want to set up this shitty system.
We need to get off this system into one w/ an individual mandate and where you go and pick out your own insurance options, so you're no longer insurance-locked depending on your employers' whims. An important part of this is that we need the funds that your employer spends on your monthly health care premium sent to you directly so you can spend them as you please! However, those funds are currently not taxed like normal income, and are thus not something you are allowed to mix together. By taxing them like normal income, they are now intermixable, and it allow you to start the process of converting those benefits to direct salary for employees.
MetalGearZed
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So Comey's testifying next Thursday. Sweet
Manchin has been pretty consistent in his thoughts. He's always been against a lot of Obama's climate and environment initiatives and he's been consistent in crapping on the GOP's healthcare plans.
So if he does vote for the healthcare bill he should be savaged for it. And I don't care whether he did it "to appeal to his constituents" or not.
So if he does vote for the healthcare bill he should be savaged for it. And I don't care whether he did it "to appeal to his constituents" or not.
ArkhamFantasy
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Catch you later when you find a progressive who can win in a state that Trump won by 50 points.
Because they don't know how to lead or make decisions. They only know how to obstruct.
Basileus777
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He's not going to vote for the AHCA, WV will get hit hard by it.
Spoiled Milk
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Translation: When the fillibuster is nuked, he'll be irrellevant marginal vote 52+.
Probably? They didn't get Bernie so now we're busting.
It's interesting watching Fox News descend into another reality where the climate is magically okay, the poor live like kings, and jobs pour forth like shit from an asshole that just ate a month's worth of Chipotle.
They make a professional contortionist jealous with the amount of back breaking bending they do to support whatever comes out of that bleeding hemorrhoid's mouth.
They make a professional contortionist jealous with the amount of back breaking bending they do to support whatever comes out of that bleeding hemorrhoid's mouth.
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