Macho Madness
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why bannon liked it
The Technomancer
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I'm not actually too worried about the climate stuff, us pulling out of this will have...not a ton of impact on what companies inside the country are actually going to do I don't think
But I'm royally pissed at the symbolism of it and its fucking terrible for international diplomacy. That's the part that's going to be damaging
But I'm royally pissed at the symbolism of it and its fucking terrible for international diplomacy. That's the part that's going to be damaging
re: 2016
Forget the "no positive vision" bullshit. Why should you be positive when you're facing an existential threat? The problem wasn't attacking Trump - it was how she attacked him.
Too many character-based attacks. Not enough policy-based attacks. Because the campaign wanted to win over GOP defectors, they tried to distinguish him from a generic GOP politician stance - which is insane because Paul Ryan is probably the one politician who's ideas are even worse and more unpopular than Donald Trump's. Also, don't you want coattails off of a historically unpopular candidate?!?
Plus, that vision of the GOP barely even exists any more.
It basically comes down to leaning too hard into the college-educated white demographic fantasy that Dems will finally win over the suburbs.
Forget the "no positive vision" bullshit. Why should you be positive when you're facing an existential threat? The problem wasn't attacking Trump - it was how she attacked him.
Too many character-based attacks. Not enough policy-based attacks. Because the campaign wanted to win over GOP defectors, they tried to distinguish him from a generic GOP politician stance - which is insane because Paul Ryan is probably the one politician who's ideas are even worse and more unpopular than Donald Trump's. Also, don't you want coattails off of a historically unpopular candidate?!?
Plus, that vision of the GOP barely even exists any more.
It basically comes down to leaning too hard into the college-educated white demographic fantasy that Dems will finally win over the suburbs.
Dominican Power
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Elon Musk can fuck off with his Trump support and poor working conditions in his factories.
AntraxSuicide
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Yeah, why would you not comply since you may be forced to in a few years? Waste of money.
TestOfTide
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I get that Bannon types and Putin-Puppets like that, but in all likelihood that will just increase the odds of Putin's enemies getting more involved in fucking over Trump.
Like, I'm pretty sure the GOP doesn't want to see Dems have the IC, FBI, and Foreign Allies all firmly in the pro-democrat side.
The Technomancer
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"Negotiate our way back into Paris"
WHY IS HE SO STUPID
WHY IS HE SO STUPID
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Meh. He already announced and GOP is behind him full-step. The fact that it's a day after the election means nothing. Everyone knows his intentions. I mean, he just had a huge press conference about it.
Right strategy, wrong candidate, wrong messaging, and at the wrong point of the swinging reactionary pendulum to do much good w/ it. Those sunbelt GOP seats where Hillary overperformed are going to be real important in the next 2 congressional election cycles.
We just have to pray we can escape the next 2-3 years w/ as little damage as possible.
Notably a lot of hard science comes from government sponsored programs. Particularly long term research that commercial ventures are not going to tackle.
Commercial ventures are great at taking the long term work and commercializing it, packaging it to make it feasible, but they usually need a starting point.
aspiegamer
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Never thought I'd watch the end of US' reign as the lead global diplomatic superpower end on live TV.
cartoon_soldier
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I hope all the Bernie or Bust people are happy.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Yup. Very clear path to flipping the House in 2018 even if we flip the Clinton/GOP districts only and lose no seats in an 06-style wave. No reason why we can't do it.
Weigel had a good piece/interview on Rohrabacher as one of those prototypical Clinton/GOP districts. He seems genuinely clueless.
Wanda/Wander
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He is deeply deeply insecure. He can't bring himself to criticize himself, so he projects his worse fears on to others.
When he says "the world is laughing at America" he speaking to his fear that everyone in the world is laughing him.
...and he's right. Everyone is laughing at him.
Macho Madness
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At least you get it.
Autodidact
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Any more news on the GA-06 early voting? The first-day numbers seemed a little ambiguous, so maybe some more data would help us chart trends or make predictions.
Emerson
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What I've read is that while he can't officially exit until then he's basically signaling to everyone else that we won't be complying anyway. And it's not exactly enforceable.
cartoon_soldier
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Spoiled Milk
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Trump and Bannon want to get China to increase its commitment to greenhouse gas reduction. But the deal's already been made. Europe has already shown that it won't let itself be held hostage (see: Brexit) and China won't be strong-armed when it has the opportunity to shut the US out of new relationships. This was a horrible attempt at deal-making.
This all the way.
It kills the trust that foreign countries have for the United States. I honestly think Trump did this in his innate hatred for Obama.
Dubbedinenglish
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Need to get all the blue states to ageee to stay in the terms. If it means challenging Federal power, so be it.
Autodidact
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Found it.
Those words are coming from a man who has sued the EPA many times.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Nate Cohn and other people annoy me a lot by pointing out tactics but not consequences.
Like, Cohn points out that pretending climate change is fake and putting Muslims in camps would be big vote winners.
........... But you would have to be a psychopath to actually pursue those policies.
And Cohn just goes and then just doesn't dwell on the implications and is just like "only doing stats!" and it's like >_>
Like, Cohn points out that pretending climate change is fake and putting Muslims in camps would be big vote winners.
........... But you would have to be a psychopath to actually pursue those policies.
And Cohn just goes and then just doesn't dwell on the implications and is just like "only doing stats!" and it's like >_>
Yes, that's what you do when doing analysis. You put your heart in an ice box and focus purely on the numbers.
Doing this doesn't mean they're heartless, it means they're actually doing their job.
Cesare Borgia
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His job isn't to worry about those consequences though. He's discussing statistics and how different strategies might impact them. It's an interesting discussion, and ultimately if you want to discuss consequences there are a whole lot of bloggers and writers who do that, and sometimes they reference his work.
Host Samurai
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We need a megaton today after what this asshole did today.
Attacking your own is totally the way to go.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I still don't see what you get out of those "drops" since he will remain President tomorrow regardless.
Baron von Loathsome
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worth pointing out
young people especially care a great deal
That this "three-decade high" is still less than 50% is infuriating.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The reality is that in 3 years when the campaigns are in full swing, these moves will not have created jobs. The democrats need to focus on that full blast. Focus on how little the coal industry actually matters. How few coal jobs there actually are.
this clown relishes a grudge even more than trump
Host Samurai
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If it weren't for leaks than there would probably be no investigation and Flynn would still be in the White House.
Exactly. We need to hammer in 2019 and 2020 that for all of Trump's bluster and Rose Garden performances, nothing he has done is bringing back jobs or improving people's wages.
How can we make healthcare bills even more unpopular?
https://twitter.com/kristinapet/status/870386785137950721
Brilliant.
https://twitter.com/kristinapet/status/870386785137950721
Brilliant.
It's unsurprising to me that Berniecrats and Times reporters seem to be the two groups with an almost pathological need to talk about how bad Hillary was, demand endless apologies, refuse to hear a basic accounting of what went wrong during the election, etc. As long as it can be all Hillary's fault, they can avoid having to take a serious look at their own roles as bad actors in 2016.
AntraxSuicide
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Republican_party_scandals
The Culture of Corruption line was so good that Michelle Malkin wrote a conservative hit against Obama with the same title to try to take the sting out of it.
You post like nothing matters unless it's 3 months before an election. But that has never been the case and I don't think it ever will be.
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