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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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That look on Annas face while she waits for her turn
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I haven't watched CNN in a while but Ana Navarro is still my queen. Goddamn
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Navarro really needs to just become an independent already.
Vestal
Junior Member
From a political stand point, I can't wrap my head around how his inner circle allowed this to happen..
Think about it.. This was the EASIEST SLAM DUNK IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS. It was fucking simple.. Condemn Racists.. Done and done....
If he had done that, he could be taking a victory lap right now about North Korea....
But at the end of the day, he is Donald J. Trump.
Think about it.. This was the EASIEST SLAM DUNK IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS. It was fucking simple.. Condemn Racists.. Done and done....
If he had done that, he could be taking a victory lap right now about North Korea....
But at the end of the day, he is Donald J. Trump.
TheAbsolution
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I love how Ana isn't even responding to the racist nonsense that's coming out of Jan Brewer's mouth lmao.
Yeah he didn't even mention that Kim Jong Un backed down. Or maybe he has and no one is talking about it? You think there be some gloating on twitter which would then escalate the problem again but I haven't seen anything yet. Shockingly.
Mutanthands
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Ana looks like she is just done with them. Her disgust with Brewer is just right there on her face. Wouldn't be surprised if she left, if the Party doesn't make a change soon.
skullmuffins
Banned
There is no "allowing" things with Trump. Trump will be Trump and there is no hope of controlling or moderating his impulses. The only thing they could do is lock him away and not allow him to take questions for the rest of eternity. You know this.
CrimzonSamurai
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Holy shit Ana don't kill her hahahah
Officerrob
Banned
Ana is handling this perfectly, not even responding to Brewer
I imagine Ana is just a nonstop stream of curse words when the camera goes off
I imagine Ana is just a nonstop stream of curse words when the camera goes off
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Dear Lord Ana, the fire...the fire. I can't
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Ya'll better be recording this.
CrimzonSamurai
Member
Damn that was a verbal Dempsey roll
Officerrob
Banned
So Jan Brewer basically admitted to not have even seen Trump's remarks...
Sounds like my dad.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Ok the aide to W they have on has all of W's verbal ticks and it's freaking me out lol
VendettaRed07
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It's all I've been seeing for the last three days
VendettaRed07
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Could future presidential candidate Mark Zuckerburg please explain why Facebook changed its algorithm so that Troll posts are elevated to the top of every comments section instead of the most liked? It's made Facebook even worse
Box of Kittens
Banned
The whole reason Godwin's Law is a thing is because Nazi is basically treated as a synonym for evil, even among people who are quite racist. We didn't have a significant number of Americans side with them, so there was never much motivation for anyone other than a small fringe to whitewash their legacy. So it does make some sense to me why acting like a Nazi is less politically damaging than being seen as defending Nazis, because even people who are down with racism start thinking "wait, Nazis? Those guys are bad."
Jokes aside, I agree with the goals of antifa, but I find their methods counterproductive. I hear they were very helpful in Charlottesville, but in this environment when one wrong move can blow up into a media mess, it's difficult to fully approve. It's a difficult situation.
I still like states existing so I think it's gotta be the second one
The thing about the 25th Amendment is that it allows the GOP to use the public anger at White Nationalists and the events in Charlottesville to their advantage. Impeachment (actual impeachment) admits massive flaws in the election, as well as wrongdoing on the part of Trump, Pence, etc, and would leave Republicans in the cold for the next couple of presidential elections at least.
But using the 25th Amendment on Trump allows the GOP to control the narative - "We believe Trump did not collude with the Russians, but we cannot allow someone who accepts Nazism continue in the office of the President." It would also be a (somewhat) unifying action, because it's for a morally pure reason, standing against Nazis.
Now, certainly, it would be chaos, with the White Nationalists rioting and all that. But 1) that's already happening (to an extent), and 2) it's politically the best maneuver, both for the US as a whole, and the GOP as a party. Dems and Republicans alike would get behind it.
But using the 25th Amendment on Trump allows the GOP to control the narative - "We believe Trump did not collude with the Russians, but we cannot allow someone who accepts Nazism continue in the office of the President." It would also be a (somewhat) unifying action, because it's for a morally pure reason, standing against Nazis.
Now, certainly, it would be chaos, with the White Nationalists rioting and all that. But 1) that's already happening (to an extent), and 2) it's politically the best maneuver, both for the US as a whole, and the GOP as a party. Dems and Republicans alike would get behind it.
Let's be honest 2020 is going to be a shitshow. Still, I hope the radical left sees this moment and recognizes the importance of a PR win. Acting ambivalent about James Hodgkinson or calling for the scalping of fascist scum doesn't help. The power of activists who show up and protest is real, though.
Spoiled Milk
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"The Have-Nots of the world, swept up in their present upheavals and desperately seeking revolutionary writings, can find such literature only from the communists, both red and yellow. Here they can read about tactics, maneuvers, strategy and principles of action in the making of revolutions. Since in this literature all ideas are imbedded in the language of communism, revolution appears synonymous with communism. When, in the throes of revolutionary fervor, the Have-Nots hungrily turn to us in their first steps from starvation to subsistence, we respond with a bewildering, unbelievable, and meaningless conglomeration of abstractions about freedom, morality, equality, and the danger of intellectual enslavement by communistic ideology! This is accompanied by charitable handouts dressed up in ribbons of moral principle and "freedom" with the price tag of unqualified political loyalty to us. With the coming of the Revolutions in Russia and China we suddenly underwent a moral conversion and became concerned for the welfare of our brothers all over the world. Revolution by the Have-Nots has a way of inducing a moral revelation among the Haves.
Revolution by the Have-Nots also induces a paranoid fear; now, therefore, we find every corrupt and repressive government the world around saying to us, "Give us money and soldiers or there will be a revolution and the new leaders will be your enemies." Fearful of revolution and identifying ourselves as the status quo, we have permitted the communists to assume by default the revolutionary halo of justice for the Have-Nots. We then compound this mistake by assuming that the status quo everywhere must be defended and buttressed against revolution. Today revolution has become synonymous with communism while capitalism synonymous with the status quo. Occasionally we will accept a revolution if it is guaranteed to be on our side, and then only when we realize that the revolution is inevitable. We abhor revolutions.
We have permitted a suicidal situation to unfold wherein revolution and communism have become one. These pages are committed to splitting this political atom, separating this exclusive identification of communism with revolution. If it were possible for the Have-Nots of the world to recognize and accept the idea that revolution did not inevitably mean hate and war, cold or hot, from the United States, that alone would be a great revolution in world politics and the future of man."
Abinash117
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No. In the environment such as this, being nonviolent is necessary one wrong move and you give your enemies a reason to go further. I don't think it is necessary to condone violence and once you do. You are putting innocent bystanders live in risk and at that point are you willing to accept responsibility for your actions?
People say they want a revolution, violent counter protesting or something like that; I don't think people know they are asking for. Those people should ask themselves are they willing to have people die under their watch, open season on peaceful protesters get killed, etc?
I believe peaceful protesting have gone further like the Civil Rights Movement.
excelsiorlef
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You completely peachewash the CRM if you think it was entirely accomplished by peaceful protest.
RustyNails
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Jan Brewer getting owned by Ana Navarro video here
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I'm much more open to compromise and debating differences with someone who would stand up for me, than those on the other side. So yes. Force should meet force.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
ok, abinash reading "radical left" and immediately talking about violence made me laugh
also, PEACEWASHING
also, PEACEWASHING
SatelliteOfLove
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"And we'll doxx and death threat you, your family, your business partners, and your acquaintances"
They really, really don't want an enemy mine situation between Ds and Rs. Horseshoe theory and all that.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Why does every Trump supporter look like a fucking ghoul?
The Technomancer
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Abinash117
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I don't think so, but was it entirely violent? But I realize it was a hotly debated among civil rights leaders, but I like to believe that most of them prefer to be peaceful, especially the living ones nowadays.
The problem is once you introduce violence you introduce retaliation. One side will seek to retaliate in the same way the other side did. That is why sometimes in war one side my not use a measure because the other side will. You don't legitimatize it because at that point it'll be hard to go back.
Well do you associate antifa with the radical left or are you talking about people like communists or whoever that protest, but are not interest to resorting to violence? What is the "radical left" in your definition, because in this context I was thinking radical left were people people who were willing to cause violence unprovoked or not. What defines radical left, in this context, action or belief?
Nothing is wrong with protesting fascism, but I found it counterproductive to do what the people on the alt-right wants you to do.
There is nothing radical about opposing Nazis or the broader alt right. This new meme that moderates on either side of the spectrum want to compromise with Nazis is the dumbest shit. This story is finally coming into the spotlight because of what the alt right did (both the March and subsequent terror) not anything antifa did or didn't do.
I think both peaceful and non-peaceful protest have their place. It's a complicated issue
I think both peaceful and non-peaceful protest have their place. It's a complicated issue
a) local groups are dominated by anarchists, which are as deleterious to the rule of law as Trump
b) but they aren't nazis
RastaMentality
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I call alumni to beg for money for my on campus job and tonight the girl next to me called an old white man and asked about his experiences at UC Davis. he immediately started EXALTING how awesome Trump is.Went on a 5 minute rant about how well "Trump is handling the north korea situation. He's really sticking it to the liberals" so that was fun.
he must've been on some massive white supremacist high after today's presser and wanted everyone to know about it.
he must've been on some massive white supremacist high after today's presser and wanted everyone to know about it.
RustyNails
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I really do wonder how long Kelly lasts with this unstoppable diarrhea anus as his boss. They probably hate each other by now.
People are just mad because their candidate lost!
So delicious.
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