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Right. And even if we don't reclaim the House next year, the governors' map is BRUTAL for the GOP because they did so well in 2010 and 2014. Those races matter immensely for redistricting.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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Right. And even if we don't reclaim the House next year, the governors' map is BRUTAL for the GOP because they did so well in 2010 and 2014. Those races matter immensely for redistricting.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sorry--been in and out. Full credit to you.
whyamihere
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There also isn't a bill yet, which is insane.
They were always just looking for a reason to pass it on. Now they look ridiculous if they vote on a bill they said they didn't like that just passes through the House.
balladofwindfishes
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The best case scenario would be for the Senate to find some small thing to chagne, that they can really trump up to the base but is ultimately meaningless.
Sadly, since the law isn't just for show and a lot of it was pretty carefully designed, there doesn't seem to be such a thing. And especially not something they can agree on, with the GOP is looking less like a unified party and more like a weak coalition by the day (And they really don't want to shatter that unified party image and stop voting on party lines, since it would really tank them)
Sadly, since the law isn't just for show and a lot of it was pretty carefully designed, there doesn't seem to be such a thing. And especially not something they can agree on, with the GOP is looking less like a unified party and more like a weak coalition by the day (And they really don't want to shatter that unified party image and stop voting on party lines, since it would really tank them)
whyamihere
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real news
Deuce Deuce
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Does he want a signed notarized statement?
whyamihere
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L O L
Mooch is the leaker!!
balladofwindfishes
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What does he even want from Ryan?
Unless this is the game. There's nothing Ryan can say, so it'll never get a vote and they'll get to blame Ryan for not giving them what they want. That could be possible.
ArkhamFantasy
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The real story is Mooch leaking to the press.
Officerrob
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Trusting? It was an on the record interview
If the career goal one aspires to is "fraud" it makes perfect sense.
I'm sure Trump's lawyers would be happy to bust out the stacks of empty binders again if it would help.
IT'S LITERALLY THE SECOND TIME THIS HAPPENED IN TWO DAYS
Spoiled Milk
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Can someone explain to me what the Republicans who aren't hardcore conservatives even want in a healthcare plan? They want essential benefits but no individual mandate (how is that going to work)? They want lower premiums but they also want to lower taxes (how is this going to be paid for)? They want to rollback medicaid but somehow increase access (where is this access going to come from)? Am I missing something here or do these pieces still not fucking make any sense at all?
I'll be content if they vote 'no' and blame Ryan for not giving proper assurances.
Dubbedinenglish
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I mean, they're called "reporters" for a reason.
RustyNails
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Damn the media for printing my on the record interview.
They want a unicorn. And their representatives won't tell them no.
AntraxSuicide
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I mean, it'd help if Ryan's statement didn't try to throw firebombs at the Senate the whole time. He even mentions that the House succeeded in passing a bill that was good, which is absolutely insane and contrary to literally every statement from every person asked about that specific bill. Other than literally shitting on a piece of paper, I struggle to think of a worse statement he could've made.
Tranqueris
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We just want to be able to debate the bill!
We just want a conference!
We just want the President to be able to choose whether to sign it or not!
We just want the public to wait for the benefits of the skinny repeal to kick in!
We just want you to vote for us so we can give healthcare another shot!
We just want a conference!
We just want the President to be able to choose whether to sign it or not!
We just want the public to wait for the benefits of the skinny repeal to kick in!
We just want you to vote for us so we can give healthcare another shot!
balladofwindfishes
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Ryan's a pretty good target to blame if this collapses, especially with his half ass statement
I'd much rather they find someone to blame for this failing, rather than finding someone to blame when everything catches on fire
Spoiled Milk
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it's going to be really sad when this all falls apart
Yeah, wtf is this shit. You're there, you have the majority, the president will rubberstamp literally anything that appears on his desk, even if it's singlepayer with free condoms for nine year olds, so just pass the thing you said you were going to pass already or admit you have no ideas. Goddamn.
whyamihere
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They really just want Trump to veto it but they also got to vote for it.
VendettaRed07
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I've been drinking at the Barcade near me playing Ninja Turtles and Xmen the past few hours. Miss anything?
Missed a lot didn't I.
Fuck.
Missed a lot didn't I.
Fuck.
Ether_Snake
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Mooch being the leaker makes total sense now, he is projecting and Priebus was probably unto him.
Spoiled Milk
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This sounds like the equivalent of "I just want to wake up and for this all to be over."
Nothing consequential has happened in 7 months unless you're LGBT
Futurevoid
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https://www.cassidy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/PFA Bill Text.pdf
That's a good example of a moderate Republican plan.
They wish they could go back in time 10 years and propose the ACA as their healthcare plan before Obama could put his name on it.
Officerrob
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So Mooch's story is he just wanted to vent and decided to call a fucking reporter to give an on the record interview? Then it's the reporters fault for then reporting on the interview? What am I missing here besides the cocaine?
Pretty much this. Romney gave them a chance, and they goofed. Now there's too many other factions within the party to find any winning solution when they've already crapped on the one they'd have more or less put forth because they tainted it with the name Obamacare and won elections by stunting on it.
From what I can tell, he didn't want it on record, but didn't say so. The reporter he called was the one that reported on the meeting. Seems he tried to throw his weight around.
Edit: Nvm. I was wrong.
Spoiled Milk
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Right, that was what I was referencing in my post. They're gonna cut taxes and cut medicaid and then they're gonna agent orange the individual mandate so that even less people are in the markets than there are. This seems like a one way ticket to making premiums worse than they are. If it's just for the tax cuts, I can understand, but wasn't this dead in the water too? It's been half a month since this was announced.
THE REPUBLICANS DID PROPOSE IT
LET ME SHOW YOU WHO PROPOSED IT
No. Best thing for democrats would have been a Hillary win. Worst thing for republicans and best thing for democrats is not the same thing.
The pendulum is swinging harder and faster and this trend doesn't appear to be reversing. Polarization is a problem, especially when it's primarily one side going fucking crazy.
Poodlestrike
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Best thing, for the country, would've been a D sweep last year. People behave rationally*, associate Trump with his party, roundly reject them both. D/D/D government, we get the Supreme Court seat, we pick up a ton of state/local races.
For the Democrats, as a political party, independent of the national welfare... a Trump win is looking like a pretty significant victory. Politics is a zero-sum game with the Republicans. If they're weakened, we're strengthened, basically by default. It also seems to have kicked Democratic leadership into something resembling competence for the first time in ages while hugely energizing the base of the party. This is leading to us looking at maybe taking back the federal and local seats we need to run the table after the 2020 census, which will be enormously consequential.
*People do not behave rationally. They don't behave close to rationally.
Autodidact
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A properly, fairly drawn House map would go a long way in mitigating polarization, I think.
The best actual outcome would have probably been someone like Jeb or Kasich winning and then banking on make gains in 2018 and then taking both houses and the presidency in 2020.
Losing the presidency and both houses in 2020 would have been an unmitigated disaster. And it almost certainly would have happened with Hillary.
Losing the presidency and both houses in 2020 would have been an unmitigated disaster. And it almost certainly would have happened with Hillary.
Futurevoid
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From Ben Jacobs...
.......ok.
.......ok.
whyamihere
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lol what
Autodidact
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"You'll have to wait and see," she says as she wags her finger mischievously.
Get over yourself, lady.
That's a 'yes' then.
Poodlestrike
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Polarization might not even be the right thing to call it; that refers to deepening ideological consistency. There's very little that's "consistent" about the GOP. It's more basic tribalism that'd be toned down, which would hugely reduce partisanship no question.
You gotta stop saying things like this if you want people to stop dunking on you. Partisanship, polarization, etc. doesn't present at all along economic lines.
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