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Cooter said:
I'm ok with it.
PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand
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I'm ok with it.
Republicans are reaping what they've sown. The nation needs two responsible parties representing two distinct but viable visions of the country. That isn't the case now, as a substantial portion of the Republican party is veering into crazyland. Palin is the figurehead of this empty-headed, bromide-soaked, fear-puckered establishment that's been built brick-by-brick by Limbaugh, Fox News, the far-right wingnuts in the Republican Study Group, and (to a surprisingly small degree) George W. Bush. They keep driving the party further and further right- Interpreting every victory a vindication, every loss a rebuke for not being far enough to the rightward fringe.
Let the Republicans wander in the wilderness, let them suffer the fruits of catering to their extremist wing. They'll despair, they'll retool and rebuild, and hopefully they'll arrive at a consensus that makes sense for modern America before the Democrats become too drunk on their new power.
Let the Republicans wander in the wilderness, let them suffer the fruits of catering to their extremist wing. They'll despair, they'll retool and rebuild, and hopefully they'll arrive at a consensus that makes sense for modern America before the Democrats become too drunk on their new power.
1-D_FTW said:
Maybe, after 30 years of just talking, people would want some sort of measuring stick. Figure, if one guy says "4%" other guy better have exact number too (better or worse). If he can't make that number, have no problem with getting rid of them after 4 years. Problem is both of these candidates only care about saying stuff to get elected and re-elected, and not solving this problem. At this rate, we'll be talking about "energy in-dependency" for another 30 years.
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Cooter said:
Honestly, I think it'll let Obama rail road through the changes he needs in order to get the country back on its feet. Unlike George W Bush, you have this clearly very intelligent man that seeks counsel from his elders, his peers and many others of considerable experience, and takes grave consideration, without losing himself among it.
The decisions he makes won't always be right, not when there's no hindsight to guide the way... but we're pretty confident that he's going to make plenty of good decisions, many of which are going to be among the best possible options given what a person could possibly know at this point in time.
It'll also allow republicans to regroup and reinvent themselves as a more moderate party, without the ridiculous pandering to the culture of crazies. Hopefully, they can come back as a party of merit, where the decision between themselves or democrats isn't always an objectively easy decision to make.
Political option is good... it allows a democracy to work, and it keeps both parties on its toes. Having 2 options, but where one isn't even remotely decent or valid isn't good. Much better to have 2 valid but different options.
Supermajorities aren't implicitly a bad thing. It can be manipulated by party leadership as a bludgeon to pass through shitty Republican legislations, but I think the likelihood of that happening with our Democratic overlords are zil to none.
Thank god!
Thank god!
It's worth noting that both Ras and Gallup has Obama dropping below 50% for the first time in quite a while.Trurl said:
Let's see where things are at this time next week. Both of the previous debates helped Obama extend his lead, but polls tend to close down in the final weeks of an election.
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Cooter said:
I feel great about that, but I'm a Democrat.
I forget where I read this, but this is so true. The worst thing a politician can do is make a decision that makes you, the voter, ask the question of, what do you take me for? That is what the pick of Palin did. It was his first presidential decision and he threw a pick-6 in football terms.
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Evlar said:
This is pretty much how I feel. Maybe they can go back to being like a Barry Goldwater. I haven't read much about him but from what little I have, he seems pretty cool. For a Republican. ;-)
Instigator
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Agent Icebeezy said:
A Hitchens fan, I see.
Hitokage said:
Exactly. It's as if they don't even realize their policies are the reason the Democrats are on the verge of attaining the supermajority in the first place.
What's really funny is that cooter thinks the Democrats need 60 Democratic senators in the first place to invoke cloture.
Karma Kramer
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Gallup will close down as we get closer... most national polls do...
All that matters now is state polling...
All that matters now is state polling...
VictimOfGrief
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Hitokage said:
What I'm getting at is we're going to be in the same shit with different people holding the shovel.
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GhaleonEB said:
Ras is still at 50% Obama, just +1 McCain to 46%. His model isn't playing out with the rest of the polling in swing states, though, his decision to keep the immediate post-convention GOP self-identification numbers in the rolling partisan makeup fubars everything.
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Incognito said:
Simple, they knew full well what a "permanent Republican majority" meant, and now realise they don't hold the keys to the gun cupboard any more they are scared.
"It was OK when we wanted the power..."
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Cooter said:
yes, and it's worth bringing up-- but history shows that large majorities fragment on individual issues.
Crayon Shinchan
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VictimOfGrief said:
Oh VictimOfSelf, I'd trust Dick Cheney a million times over with that shovel, then yourself.
http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/earlyvotingstats08.htm
45,000 people voted yesterday in Georgia, more than the day before. Early votes are now nearly 18% of all votes cast in 2004.
45,000 people voted yesterday in Georgia, more than the day before. Early votes are now nearly 18% of all votes cast in 2004.
Vennt said:Simple, they knew full well what a "permanent Republican majority" meant, and now realise they don't hold the keys to the gun cupboard any more they are scared.
"It was OK when we wanted the power..."
Crazy to think that just 4 years ago Republicans were talking about the demise of the Democratic party. :lol
My, what a difference four years can make. Thanks W.
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knitoe said:
No... Obama rise is a combination of things. Stock Market, Debates, Palin fuck ups, McCain suspending his campaign, ineffective ayers attacks... etc.
Why do people like to look at things in black and white?
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mckmas8808 said:
If we use the tax bracket of 2007 for single filer,
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
$210,000 - $160,850 = $49,150
$49,150 x .33% = $16,219 is what you pay in taxes.
$49,150 x .36% = $17,694 is what you would pay under Obama's new tax plan.
$17,694 - $16,219 = $1,475
Now for the Joe the plumber, if his business makes $270,000, then his taxes would increase by $3,275.
Does that seem high?
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Cooter said:
Awesome. Steamroll everything through, and get stuff done.
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lawblob said:
Indeed, the Democratic party lost an election, the Republican party is looking at the prospect of losing cohesion entirely.
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knitoe said:
So your saying that is Obama would have lost all three debates he would still have this lead?
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With Obama's Healthcare plan, will I be able to opt out of my employer offered insurance, and buy into the awesomeness that is the Government Employee insurance plan?
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Hitokage said:
Heh.
You know, every time somebody posts that image, I wonder "What the fuck does Bob Monkouse (A British comedian/presenter) have to do with American politics :lol
What the hell is this shit??? Has this gotten any play??
Father of Bristol Palin's baby speaks
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A
Father of Bristol Palin's baby speaks
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A
knitoe said:
I don't disagree with your anger on it. It should be priority number one. And Obama better have a real plan behind the rhetoric. But you have to remember, John McCain gleefully said he'd balance the budget within four years at that debate. He would not have given an honest answer.
Not only that, but CNNs people tracker seemed to like McCain's empty rhetoric more than Obama's. I can only imagine the numbers if Obama said in year four we'll finally begin seeing some of these huge plants online and making a difference. And McCain scoffed and said my plan will be 50 percent. Empty lies are what have elected irresponsible politicians for the last 30 years. If we'd been electing politicians who did speak the truth we wouldn't be in this position. So I guess I'm just hopeful Obama actually does have a plan and was shrewd enough to avoid a trap that would have gotten him hammered with FUD.
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reilo said:
I thought during the debates, he said that people who's employers don't offer a group plan would be eligible to buy insurance through the same group plan that he has access to (the Federal Employee's group plan).
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http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/dnc_weighs_accelerated_spendin.php
dean/DNC injecting up to $20,000,000 into STATE races, not federal-level races, to try and up their chances of winning state houses and thus redistricting opportunities. hotness
dean/DNC injecting up to $20,000,000 into STATE races, not federal-level races, to try and up their chances of winning state houses and thus redistricting opportunities. hotness
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