CharlieDigital
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lopaz said:
Call your county clerk.
PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand
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Call your county clerk.
ToyMachine228
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Well my friends, I haven't posted in a PoliGAF thread in a while but I'll tell you this...We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
DeathbyVolcano
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mckmas8808 said:
Southern Ohio is something fierce.
CharlieDigital
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lopaz said:
:lol well, you can still call your county clerk, it'll just cost a bit more. Not that your CC will be able to do anything about it, but at least you can ask whether your ballot will be counted.
My wingnut coworkers are now convinced that "Joe the Plumber" got McCain back in this race, and Obama is now unelectable.
These guys are retards.
They also dont seem to think that the fact that everything about Joe the Plumbers story is a lie affects anything.
Of course, they also believe that Obama is racist against white people, is going to increase all of our taxes (despite the fact that all of our salaries would have to double to hit 250K), they are convinced we are all going to get paycuts because the CEO's are going to take more money to make up for lost taxes, and all kinds of other random crap.
These guys are retards.
They also dont seem to think that the fact that everything about Joe the Plumbers story is a lie affects anything.
Of course, they also believe that Obama is racist against white people, is going to increase all of our taxes (despite the fact that all of our salaries would have to double to hit 250K), they are convinced we are all going to get paycuts because the CEO's are going to take more money to make up for lost taxes, and all kinds of other random crap.
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so_awes said:
FIU. in miami.
CharlieDigital
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StoOgE said:
I told my mom yesterday: McCain is in this to win; Obama is in this to govern. MANY supporters (on both sides, to be fair) are rooting for their side to win, irregardless of the impact on their own lives, but at least in Obama's case, his policies should positively affect the majority of Americans.
Dark Octave
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Exactly, $1,000 in taxes isn't going to kill you. You have AT LEAST $199,000 more where that came from for the rest of the year. But my laid off cousin trying to open up an online t-shirt company and the struggling bobba/ice cream kiosk at the mall I go to could really use some help right about now.CharlieDigital said:
PrivateWHudson
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StoOgE said:
That's because it's not about Joe, but what Obama said "Spread the wealth".
KyanMehwulfe
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thought this was cool (cheesy pun intended)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/navarrette.debate/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
i don't know navarrette all that much but what I do do is mostly all from his blog criticisms of Obama.
and now even he is praising him for being 'cool under pressure' and 'maybe being the type of temperment we need on the world stage'
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/navarrette.debate/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
i don't know navarrette all that much but what I do do is mostly all from his blog criticisms of Obama.
and now even he is praising him for being 'cool under pressure' and 'maybe being the type of temperment we need on the world stage'
CharlieDigital
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Evlar said:
Agreed. It's as nonsensical as the "he's gunna take our guns!" argument or the ever popular "he's gunna kill yer babies!" argument.
These people aren't even reading the actual tax proposals and looking at the structure of the brackets. Also, Stooge, you need to give them a test on whether they even understand how progressive tax brackets work and post your results and findings here.
Stoney Mason
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Tamanon said:
The Joe the Plumber story is effectively dead from here on out. It was nice post debate spin move by McCain and he probably won the post debate because of it but it worked its way through the news cycle and will only be a republican talking point from here on out.
speculawyer
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Projection?StoOgE said:
Dark Octave
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:lol Did you see the one where he asks why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly?Nabs said:
McCain: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
:lol :lol
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/02/19/mccain-why-is-chelsea-clinton-so-ugly/
CharlieDigital
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Sip of water...OMG :lol
Obama reads GAF CONFIRMED!!
Obama reads GAF CONFIRMED!!
Azure Dream
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blame space said:
He's not going to get it, or if he somehow manages, it will be damn tight. "Let's recount lol" tight. I'd be happy to be wrong, but there's enough quiet paranoia and confusion about Obama that people, no matter what they say, are going to go into the booths and quietly mark McCain's name. And 2004 was let down by lazy Dems who wouldn't go out in the bad weather to vote. (It was pretty bad in my area, but I still went.) I wouldn't be surprised if they find a similar reason to not vote in 2008, apathy is a great one after all. "He's going to win anyway, so I don't need to bother."
Don't think too positively about Ohio if you're an Obama supporter. Be surprised if it turns out well, but don't count on it.
CharlieDigital said:
Yes, because McCain supporters + McCain himself don't believe the policies they support are good / will have a positive impact and has no interest in actually governing. Only your guy does.
:lol
This is a sign of when someone has drunken too deeply of the kool-aid.
CharlieDigital said:
Well, I think the main point is, Joe the Plumber was being sold to us as this middle class guy who was on the verge of buying a small business and that he wanted to hire 4-5 new employees.. but couldnt because of Obamas tax plan.
It turns out Joe the Plumber isnt a plumber, he isnt about to buy a business, he wasnt about to hire anyone, he is positively impacted by Obamas tax plan, and even that doesnt matter because he doesnt pay his taxes.
Joe the Plumber is a real life straw man that was set up as a talking point for the republican base. They now seem to not care that their straw man was the fabrication of the overactive imagination of one of their own.
Gary Whitta
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"Get down!"
Steve Youngblood
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Again, this is true because of historical perceptions of how tax dollars are spent, and what an evil, evil word welfare is to so many people. Unfortunately for the so-called "fiscal conservatives," the current climate, combined with Obama's ability to deliver a consistent message, does not bode well for this talking point at the moment.CharlieDigital said:
Finally got to see the video of last nights charity dinner ROAST . That was good. :lol
JayDubya said:
OK, let me ask you this: Of the two parties' followers, which do you suspect is more ignorant about its own policies, less informed about specifics and more likely to vote against his or her best interests as a result?
They're not "equal" - so which do you suspect tips more towards uninformed?
WTF - http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002976265&referrer=js
:lol
I actually tip my hat to him - he drove Obama's stock to ~40.
:lol
I actually tip my hat to him - he drove Obama's stock to ~40.
Gary Whitta
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Man, he's doing the pie bit again. It never gets old!
Azure Dream
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SWEET POTATO PIE-GATE!
worldrunover
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Dark Octave said:
Oooh ooh I got one: Why does McCain have such strong family values?
Because he left his crippled wife for a younger, blonder beer heiress and was married to both of them simultaneously at one point
PrivateWHudson
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What's the deal with the whole "Obama's really going to raise taxes on anyone who makes over $42K"?
My father is staying with us and he started this talking point. I've heard rumblings, but never the whole story. Did he vote on lower middle class tax hikes in the past or so meting?
My father is staying with us and he started this talking point. I've heard rumblings, but never the whole story. Did he vote on lower middle class tax hikes in the past or so meting?
Thunder Monkey
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Sweet potato pie based economy!RapeApe said:
That's a sweet economy.
yup this is obama'sOdrion said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWQ9B2mRplQ
and this is Mccains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTdHjLOdH0
It is misleading according to CNN : http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/15/fact-check-did-obama-vote-to-raise-taxes-for-people-making-as-little-as-42000/PrivateWHudson said:
Dark Octave
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$42k? In the debates he said $200k.PrivateWHudson said:
CharlieDigital
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I've come to believe that we seriously need at least one required high school course on finances including taxes and tax brackets, retirement savings plans, stock investment, budgeting, credit cards, credit scores, and what not. I'd even add a more basic class to junior high curriculum so that kids are ready to deal with money once they start working.
"Home economics" needs to be updated to "Foundations of personal finance" and every student should be required to take it as a requirement for graduation.
I remember that these things were covered piecemeal in home-ec (budgeting, balancing checkbooks) and in social studies (mock stock investment), but it needs to be highlighted in our educational system.
"Home economics" needs to be updated to "Foundations of personal finance" and every student should be required to take it as a requirement for graduation.
I remember that these things were covered piecemeal in home-ec (budgeting, balancing checkbooks) and in social studies (mock stock investment), but it needs to be highlighted in our educational system.
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