PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand
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Stoney Mason
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Tamanon said:
I think at a certain point his stubborn nature takes over and he decided it would be a sign of weakness even though a good politican would have been all over it. Hell even Palin is smart enough to litter her debate with constant nods to Joe Six Packs and such.
Stoney Mason
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Guts Of Thor said:
No and I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath waiting for an endorsement from him...
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Trurl said:
We'll really have to agree to disagree on that one. He has no business, IMO, to complain about policies if he has no intention to vote. For democracy to work people have to participate and the U.S. voter turnout rate is shameful.
And the guy chose to comment to reporters on the debate, had time to make an off color comment about Obama and is now going on daytime TV but no time to get registered so his opinion would really matter? Yeah, I stand by my "Fuck off".
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In an auditorium filled with other students at my uni, my "what?" was quite audible to all after this comment. Is this a serious fucking proposal?besada said:
"Hey Joe, you shot a few brownies in the head back in I-raq-- wanna teach math?"
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Joe_speaks.html
Say it ain't so Joe. Yeah good luck using that guy in your campaign McCain. :lol
Say it ain't so Joe. Yeah good luck using that guy in your campaign McCain. :lol
I thought McCain lost pretty badly because he never followed through.
He brought up Ayers and all this, let Obama counter, brought it up one more time and then immediately switched the subject as if running from it. That looked weak to me, and I bet a couple of other people thought so to. So one, he didn't give Obama a chance to counter again so that looked rude and tactless and two, he really still did not make the attack stick which made it weak. I mean, if this guy is so important he should have hammered it home as to why it's so important instead of just leaping into another subject.
Calling on Obama to condemn statements made against McCain while only psuedo condemning statements his followers made was again half assed. Came off lame.
I think the "Joe the Plumber" could have worked in his favor but again he failed to follow through.
Shit even his closing argument was pretty weak.
I was pretty dissapointed over all with McCain.
Well after all the debates, I still dislike both candidates, guess I'll leave this one up to fate then.
That said, I think Obama's got it in the bag unless McCain just does something spectacular.
He brought up Ayers and all this, let Obama counter, brought it up one more time and then immediately switched the subject as if running from it. That looked weak to me, and I bet a couple of other people thought so to. So one, he didn't give Obama a chance to counter again so that looked rude and tactless and two, he really still did not make the attack stick which made it weak. I mean, if this guy is so important he should have hammered it home as to why it's so important instead of just leaping into another subject.
Calling on Obama to condemn statements made against McCain while only psuedo condemning statements his followers made was again half assed. Came off lame.
I think the "Joe the Plumber" could have worked in his favor but again he failed to follow through.
Shit even his closing argument was pretty weak.
I was pretty dissapointed over all with McCain.
Well after all the debates, I still dislike both candidates, guess I'll leave this one up to fate then.
That said, I think Obama's got it in the bag unless McCain just does something spectacular.
platypotamus
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Tamanon said:
Allright you little maggots, here's one substitute teachers you're not gonna SCREW WITH!!!
that quote really wasn't related was it?
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McCain started strong but his composure failed him.
As the debate wore on he started making more exasperated expressions and became more fidgety. He doesn't understand the art of attacking an opponent without showing contempt.
Meanwhile, Obama was on the defensive piratically the whole night but he never looked flustered. He just calmly and coolly landed efficient counter-punches. He has a Floyd Mayweather style of debating. It may be boring for people who want blood but he racks up the victories.
I also want to challenge a particular preconceived notion. The Pundit World pretty much said McCain destroyed Obama at the Saddleback forum in August. They said McCain was strong and direct and Obama was too "professorial". But I wonder if they actually polled the public and not just the pundit what the results would have been. In the last 3 debates pretty much all the pundits initially favor McCain, but then when the snap polls come out showing an overwhelming Obama win they swing in the other direction. I think this happens because Pundits put a premium on confrontations and soundbites while the general public seems to place a higher value on composure and demeanor. Basically who comes off looking presidential. This is why Obama won the 3 debates in a landslide with these snap polls.
As the debate wore on he started making more exasperated expressions and became more fidgety. He doesn't understand the art of attacking an opponent without showing contempt.
Meanwhile, Obama was on the defensive piratically the whole night but he never looked flustered. He just calmly and coolly landed efficient counter-punches. He has a Floyd Mayweather style of debating. It may be boring for people who want blood but he racks up the victories.
I also want to challenge a particular preconceived notion. The Pundit World pretty much said McCain destroyed Obama at the Saddleback forum in August. They said McCain was strong and direct and Obama was too "professorial". But I wonder if they actually polled the public and not just the pundit what the results would have been. In the last 3 debates pretty much all the pundits initially favor McCain, but then when the snap polls come out showing an overwhelming Obama win they swing in the other direction. I think this happens because Pundits put a premium on confrontations and soundbites while the general public seems to place a higher value on composure and demeanor. Basically who comes off looking presidential. This is why Obama won the 3 debates in a landslide with these snap polls.
How does the "Joe the plumber" stuff help McCain with any reasonable person making less than $250,000?
And I don't think McCain wants people playing this clip over and over. It actually makes Obama look...good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElPBxiVxVEw
And I don't think McCain wants people playing this clip over and over. It actually makes Obama look...good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElPBxiVxVEw
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The Chosen One said:
Correct.
Although I think McCain won saddlebrook because it was a panderfest and it wasn't an outlet where McCain would lose his cool. He's fine when no one is challenging him. He starts to fall apart and become indignant when he is challenged even if it is a relatively polite challenge.
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Stoney Mason said:
Good point. Saddleback wasn't even a debate. It was a forum in friendly territory for McCain. He wasn't pressed on any questions.
But in actual debates he does seem to get outright indignant when he gets challenged modestly and doesn't have the crowd behind him.
I always thought that the murmurs about his temperament were just a side-show. But there might be really something to them since he struggles to keep a cool demeanor even in national televised debates.
I do feel bad that Joe the Plumber is going to experience information rape of his data. Within a day and a half of this people will:
Know if he is registered to vote (check)
know if he has a criminal record
know his approximate income
know what real property he owns and the valuation of that property
home address
home phone
email
business email , phone and address
and a wealth of other info. I hope McCain got his permission before making him a meta-issue, like the repudiated Obama for doing with the mom and the "dead soldier bracelet." this is like that movie "swing vote" except the dud isn't registered
Also: tap dancing like Sammy? No love for Savion?
Know if he is registered to vote (check)
know if he has a criminal record
know his approximate income
know what real property he owns and the valuation of that property
home address
home phone
business email , phone and address
and a wealth of other info. I hope McCain got his permission before making him a meta-issue, like the repudiated Obama for doing with the mom and the "dead soldier bracelet." this is like that movie "swing vote" except the dud isn't registered
Also: tap dancing like Sammy? No love for Savion?
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Byakuya769
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Cloudy said:
WTF, I was expecting him to say "wealth redistribution" or something like that outright. That was a nice explanation into the rationale of his tax plan. He even laid out that the possibility of him paying less taxes through the capital gains tax cut he want to implement. Furthermore, Joe's argument wasn't even that strong.. "well if I buy a truck and try to make my business grow, I'll be taxed more."
Dick Cheney - "So."
StoOgE said:
Joe the plumber wants to buys his own business but no bank will bank roll it because they are hording cash and will not invest in a business that is in decline because of the housing bust and he wants to confront Obama despite that McCain and and the Republican free marketeers got him where he is now?
This guy is a Moron.
Fragamemnon
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Uh, this should have Republican strategists going crazy tomorrow:
Congressional Race, CT 4th District, Survey USA
Jim Himes (D): 48
Chris Shays (R-inc): 45 (MoE: ±4%)
Shays's favorables: 43-32; Himes: 39-22
Chris Shays is the last remaining New England Republican House member. He survived last cycle-a Democratic wave-narrowly against a good, well-funded challenger. Now he's down to a Dem challenger in an independent poll and the trendlines on this race must look terrible.
2008's House and Senate outlook looks even worse than 2006 for the Republicans, which they will tell you was a complete disaster of a cycle. Seeing polls like this and another one for WA-08 (which showed Burner with a lead, yay) today, it looks like voters are starting to make up their minds, and they are deciding that the GOP must go.
The House GOP's congressional campaign fund is broke. Dem challengers are raising hordes of cash and the D-trip is outspending them by huge margins (last set of expenditures was like 8-to-1), Republican fundraising is weak across the board.
Does the GOP, certain now to lose the presidency, want to also wind up losing 35 more House seats and perhaps let Democrats pull off 60 seats in the Senate? This election's endgame for is looking like what 1932 would have looked like had their been equally aggressive gerrymandering back then.
Congressional Race, CT 4th District, Survey USA
Jim Himes (D): 48
Chris Shays (R-inc): 45 (MoE: ±4%)
Shays's favorables: 43-32; Himes: 39-22
Chris Shays is the last remaining New England Republican House member. He survived last cycle-a Democratic wave-narrowly against a good, well-funded challenger. Now he's down to a Dem challenger in an independent poll and the trendlines on this race must look terrible.
2008's House and Senate outlook looks even worse than 2006 for the Republicans, which they will tell you was a complete disaster of a cycle. Seeing polls like this and another one for WA-08 (which showed Burner with a lead, yay) today, it looks like voters are starting to make up their minds, and they are deciding that the GOP must go.
The House GOP's congressional campaign fund is broke. Dem challengers are raising hordes of cash and the D-trip is outspending them by huge margins (last set of expenditures was like 8-to-1), Republican fundraising is weak across the board.
Does the GOP, certain now to lose the presidency, want to also wind up losing 35 more House seats and perhaps let Democrats pull off 60 seats in the Senate? This election's endgame for is looking like what 1932 would have looked like had their been equally aggressive gerrymandering back then.
Fragamemnon
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Al Franken raised 4.4 million in 3Q:
http://www.mncampaignreport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1974
No way Coleman wins that race with that kind of money. The most awesome thing about it is that he raised that much while maintaining an average contribution of $117. Pure people powered stuff.
http://www.mncampaignreport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1974
No way Coleman wins that race with that kind of money. The most awesome thing about it is that he raised that much while maintaining an average contribution of $117. Pure people powered stuff.
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