PoliGAF Interim Thread of 2008 Early Voting (THE FINAL COUNTDOWN: T MINUS 2 DAYS)

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MetatronM said:
That's not his "newest map."

It's the most McCain victory scenario that occurs most often in his simulations.

How often?

1.69% of the time.

I feel bad for anyone who thought that map was real.
 
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MetatronM said:
The rule is supposed to be that whether the Redskins win or lose determines if the incumbent party wins or loses (i.e. Redskins win = incumbent win). The Redskins lost in 2004, which meant Bush should have lost. He did not.

Also, it was 17-0 going into 2004. :lol

Nice.

I kinda heard it in passing, on my tv in the background.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
Amir0x said:
No, we already established what idiot you are - the one who throws all the important issues of the day overboard because you get too many phonecalls!
When the important issue of Joe the Engineer's day is having to hear his phone ring every 10 minutes, you know there is a problem.

Someone's overwhelming mobilization of people makes you question - in the negative - how they're going to run the country? Well ok!
I for sure am not the only one here in the philly area questioning it. It was in the local newspaper vent column as well the other day.

Right because Kerry's campaign was incompetent.
He won PA without bombarding people with phone calls and visits.
 
Chrono said:
Global warming, nuclear proliferation, increase foreign aid, use of diplomacy, etc...?

Lots of good stuff, but change the world? Please, the world will keep spinning on November 5th if McCain wins, it's just America that would be fucked.

Do you know what the word change means? If Obama becomes President a lot of things are going to be different; they are going to change. Obama has outlined the changes he wants to and intends to make if he is elected President. If you think the President of the United States has no power to change things in this world, then I don't really know what to tell you. Of course the planet is going to keep spinning no matter who becomes President but that doesn't mean things won't be quite a bit different depending on who gets elected.
 
TDG said:
The DNC kept him on a very tight leash, and ran a very "safe" campaign for him. He broke away from the leash (but not the "Ohio or bust" strategy) they'd given him in the final week, but by then it was too late.

I always admired Kerry.
That's not what I remember at all. If anything one of the big stories IIRC that it was a very top-down campaign that muzzled a lot of speakers at the convention at Kerry's behest.

I still love Kerry but I've never heard a thing about any kind of DNC leash. Even if it did exist, the man has no one to blame but himself for that loss.
 
kkaabboomm said:
updated 538 gifs through today

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I was thinking about doing this some time ago as well. Glad someone else did, as it's really cool watching PacMan close that damn mouth of his on McCain's future.
 
RubxQub said:
I was thinking about doing this some time ago as well. Glad someone else did, as it's really cool watching PacMan close that damn mouth of his on McCain's future.
yeah, i was uber-proscrastinating yesterday (paid for it today by doing 7 hours of lots of work) but it does look cool
 
I'd like to express concern over Obama's phone calls. This constant calling indicates nervousness...I suspect his internal polling shows him as much as 7, 10, or 20--perhaps even 75-- points down in PA...I love Obama and I have donated lots of money to him but I suspect that McCain will pull this out...I am nervous....

~IndyPA
 
Illuminati said:
When the important issue of Joe the Engineer's day is having to hear his phone ring every 10 minutes, you know there is a problem.

I for sure am not the only one here in the philly area questioning it. It was in the local newspaper vent column as well the other day.

He won PA without bombarding people with phone calls and visits.
God, your argument couldn't be dumber.
 
Y2Kev said:
I'd like to express concern over Obama's phone calls. This constant calling indicates nervousness...I suspect his internal polling shows him as much as 7, 10, or 20--perhaps even 75-- points down in PA...I love Obama and I have donated lots of money to him but I suspect that McCain will pull this out...I am nervous....

~IndyPA
Thank you IndyPA wherever you are. I am not the only one getting constantly called.
 
Gruco said:
That's not what I remember at all. If anything one of the big stories IIRC that it was a very top-down campaign that muzzled a lot of speakers at the convention at Kerry's behest.

I still love Kerry but I've never heard a thing about any kind of DNC leash. Even if it did exist, the man has no one to blame but himself for that loss.
The entire campaign works with the DNC. The DNC was poorly prepared for the election and poorly run, which is why they had to dump all of their resources into one state: Ohio. I also remember reading a lot about how careful the Democrats wanted Kerry to be, especially after the "you get stuck in Iraq" slip. He found his voice and final showed energy at the very end, and the polls tightened, but it was too late.

Kerry is partially to blame for the 2004 loss, but realistically the list of those responsible for the loss is a mile long.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
Man...months, years of our lives have been spent watching this. The moment comes...it comes soon....how does everyone feel?
so close!
GhaleonEB said:
You should email it over to Nate.
meh, if you want, go for it, but i'd prefer Nate come to us, give some of these PoliGAF chicken littles a talking too (yeah, thats right, you know who you are)
 
Y2Kev said:
I'd like to express concern over Obama's phone calls. This constant calling indicates nervousness...I suspect his internal polling shows him as much as 7, 10, or 20--perhaps even 75-- points down in PA...I love Obama and I have donated lots of money to him but I suspect that McCain will pull this out...I am nervous....

~IndyPA

He's got assloads of money that he might as well spend. That probably explains his carpet bombing of all states that are even remotely close, and then some.
 
Since 'Changing the world' seems to be an issue raised recently, I thought the following article I read in the paper this week would give good insight as to how some in Canada viewed the potential impact of the US election.

http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/comment/article/132996

"Paul Cellucci, the former United States ambassador to Canada, warns that a victory by Barack Obama next week would be a “danger” for Canada because he might renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement.


Cellucci worries that, should Obama win the presidency and the Democrats strengthen their hold on both houses of Congress, there would be “one-party government” in Washington. With that would come pressure from unionists and environmentalists to re-open the agreement.


Of course, it’s nowhere certain Obama would question free trade at all. And it’s curious that one-party government didn’t bother Cellucci, an amiable Republican, when his party was in control of both the executive and legislative branches in 2004.


But he’s right to argue that Obama as president represents a danger to Canadians — even if it is more psychological than economic.


Fundamentally, Obama threatens our self-image. His election will challenge the smugness and moral superiority with which we have long viewed the United States.


It will dispel home truths and force us to look at ourselves in a different light, undermining our deep-seated notion that we are the kinder, gentler people of North America — more tolerant, more progressive, more civic-minded.


Tolerant? In Fire and Ice, his bestselling study of attitudes on both sides of the border, pollster Michael Adams argues that Canadians are more sensitive to minorities than Americans because we are “a mosaic” and they are “a melting pot,” demanding conformity from all newcomers.


This isn’t true of the United States. It is a delusion that will evaporate if Americans elect their first black president.


Progressive? Barack Obama will come to office as the most liberal chief executive since Lyndon Johnson. Obama wants to introduce universal health care. If that happens — and the country’s crushing debt may prevent it — Canadians will lose one of the differences between people they love to trumpet. Moreover, we will no longer corner the market on compassion.


Democratic? It won’t be pretty to watch the antiquated American electoral machinery on election day. But if it breaks down, the likely reason is that a higher percentage of Americans will be voting this year than in any election since 1960.


Expect more than 59 per cent of Americans to cast ballots on Nov. 4, the record low number who voted here. This will put the lie to our boast that we are more engaged in politics than they.


Cellucci was right about Barack Obama. He is a threat to many of the self-satisfying assumptions that we have long had about ourselves and about our neighbours. "
 
kkaabboomm said:
so close!

meh, if you want, go for it, but i'd prefer Nate come to us, give some of these PoliGAF chicken littles a talking too (yeah, thats right, you know who you are)

Yeah, because we are unique in being the only Dem-leaning chicken little group on the Net :P
 
Illuminati said:
Wait, how are we racist?
...holy shit, dude. Please calm down.

The middle of PA is the equivalent of Kentucky. Hence the nickname "Pennsyltucky"? Surely you've heard this if you live here.
 
polyh3dron said:
Pennsylvania: It's Pittsburgh and Philly, with Alabama in between.

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RubxQub said:
...holy shit, dude. Please calm down.

The middle of PA is the equivalent of Kentucky. Hence the nickname "Pennsyltucky"? Surely you've heard this if you live here.
They like their guns and religion in the middle of the state, I don't see how that makes them racist....
 
Yaweee said:
He's got assloads of money that he might as well spend. That probably explains his carpet bombing of all states that are even remotely close, and then some.
Nabbed another one!!! :lol
 
Illuminati said:
Thank you IndyPA wherever you are. I am not the only one getting constantly called.
This definitely deserves a tag that points out your stupidity.
 
Tamanon said:
"racist" and "bitter" were jokes referring to Murtha and Obama's statements about PA, weirdo.
Clearly, since I pay close attention to all John Murtha's statements.

reilo said:
This definitely deserves a tag that points out your stupidity.
I thought it was coming from C-SPAN or something like that, chill out asshole.
 
TDG said:
The entire campaign works with the DNC. The DNC was poorly prepared for the election and poorly run, which is why they had to dump all of their resources into one state: Ohio. I also remember reading a lot about how careful the Democrats wanted Kerry to be, especially after the "you get stuck in Iraq" slip. He found his voice and final showed energy at the very end, and the polls tightened, but it was too late.

Kerry is partially to blame for the 2004 loss, but realistically the list of those responsible for the loss is a mile long.
What's the connection between operating effectiveness/resources of the DNC and their ability to craft Kerry's message?

I'd appreciate any articles you could provide on this issue, because frankly the "short leash" doesn't jive with my recollections at all.
 
Illuminati said:
They like their guns and religion in the middle of the state, I don't see how that makes them racist....
Guns and religion...what side of the political map clings to those typically...hmmm...

Sounds like a hillbilly, and sounds like the probability of racism is significantly increased.

This isn't rocket science, guy.
 
So, apparently the GOP [most likely Dick Morris], is spending $2mil on an anti-Obama ad with Jeremiah Wright in it.

GO MCCAINNNNNN
 
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