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PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List

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Diablos

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The scenarios that could play out:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/17/dem.backup.healthcare.plan/

(CNN) -- Faced with the once-unthinkable prospect of losing the Massachusetts Senate race, Democratic officials on Capitol Hill are quietly talking about options for passing health care reform without that critical 60th Senate vote.

Top White House aides insist they are not engaging in any talk of contingency plans, because they believe Democrat Martha Coakley will beat Republican Scott Brown in Tuesday's crucial Senate battle.

"We are not having any discussions like that," White House spokesman Bill Burton told CNN. "We believe she is going to win."

Asked about potential contingency plans as Air Force One returned to the Washington area after President Obama's Sunday campaign rally for Coakley in Boston, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs insisted to reporters the plan is to still pass health care reform with 60 votes. "We think Coakley will win this race," Gibbs said.

But Democratic sources on Capitol Hill say "what-if" discussions are taking place about how they could proceed with health care if Coakley is defeated, and they privately admit none of their alternatives is very good. According to senior Democratic congressional officials, here are options under discussion:

Pass health care reform before Scott Brown is seated.

But multiple Democratic sources say this is unlikely. Even if House and Senate Democrats could reach a deal to meld their bills and pass them in the next couple of weeks -- a big if -- there would be a huge outcry from not only Republicans, but also an increasingly distrustful public.

For that reason, one senior Democratic source says some Democratic lawmakers who voted yes last time have already warned they would vote no if health care is voted on in advance of any swearing in of Brown.

The House passes the Senate health care bill.

Democratic sources also call this extremely unlikely, because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi likely wouldn't have the votes to pass it. Many House Democrats have major differences with several provisions in the Senate bill, especially the way the Senate structured a tax on high-cost insurance plans.

Revisit the idea of trying to push health care through the Senate with only 51 votes, a simple majority.

But to do that, Democrats would have to use a process known as reconciliation, which presents technical and procedural issues that would delay the process for a long time, and Democrats are eager to put the health care debate behind them and move onto economic issues such as job creation as soon as possible this election year.

Try once again to get moderate Maine Republican Olympia Snowe's vote. They could try for a compromise health reform plan with the independent-minded Republican, but multiple Democratic sources say they believe that is unlikely now.

Their health care overhaul dies.

Although some Democrats are not ruling out this possibility, numerous top Democrats say not passing a health care bill for the president to sign is unthinkable after he put so much political capital into passing a reform bill, and congressional Democrats spent much of last year working on it.
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What a mess. With the way they lay everything out, killing reform almost seems like the easiest option. :\
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Door2Dawn said:
Intrade is just a online trading website. :/
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I really like following it on election nights- its a very good indicator of where things are going. I don't think it means that much right now.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Photos: January, 17th 2010

Democratic senate candidate, Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley speaks before President Barack Obama speaks at a campaign stop at Northeastern University in Boston Sunday, Jan. 17, 2010.
Video of President Obama's Speech: http://cspan.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/17/HP/R/28527/Mass...
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A line of people stretches along Huntington Ave. in Boston to enter a campaign rally at which President Barack Obama is scheduled to speak in support of Massasschuetts Attorney General Martha Coakley. Coakley, a Democrat, is campaigning for the seat vacated by the death of Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
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President Barack Obama gets a hug from Victoria Kennedy...
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Thagomizer

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Well, that would explain why I didn't get in. I didn't know there was a line going along Cabot. I was in the student line in the other direction through Krentzman.


little bitter...
 
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Diablos

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Thagomizer said:
Well, that would explain why I didn't get in. I didn't know there was a line going along Cabot. I was in the student line in the other direction through Krentzman.


little bitter...
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So you live in MA. How do you feel about the election?
 
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Thagomizer

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Diablos said:
So you live in MA. How do you feel about the election?
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I'm only in Boston for school; I can't vote. Also, I'm a college student, so the demographics are a liiiiitle skewed.

That said, there were't as many protesters as I was expecting for the President being here. There were maybe 300 across the street in front of Marino and Speare Hall, but they were rather lacking in enthusiasm. Although, there was one guy who had a "put Brown in the Senate Seat," which made me :lol as the guy had no idea of the double meaning and was mocked mercilessly by the other students.
 
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SlipperySlope

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I'd laugh so hard if Coakley loses.

I mean... a Democrat. In THAT state. Losing? It'd be hysterical.

I also hope, if she loses, that it'll help kill the health care bill. The bill does more harm than good. When things are better if no bill is passed, than the bill being passed, there's problems.
 
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Sanjuro

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Alright. I'm going to vote for whoever GAF tells me to. So start sending me your recommendations now!


It feels pretty cool to have your vote actually matter for once!
 
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GhaleonEB

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Alright. I'm going to vote for whoever GAF tells me to. So start sending me your recommendations now!


It feels pretty cool to have your vote actually matter for once!
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Are you serious?

Coakley
 
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Diablos

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Alright. I'm going to vote for whoever GAF tells me to. So start sending me your recommendations now!


It feels pretty cool to have your vote actually matter for once!
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Coakley.

Man, if she loses... the GOP is gonna have an epic win. Epic. "If we can win Ted Kennedy's seat, we can win anything" is what they're gonna push on with in the midterms. They're gonna be beating their chests over this one for years.
 
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eznark

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Alright. I'm going to vote for whoever GAF tells me to. So start sending me your recommendations now!


It feels pretty cool to have your vote actually matter for once!
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Schilling tells you to vote for Brown. Do you really want to go against Schilling?
 
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thefit

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I hate Schilling though. =( I'll take this as one for Brown then.


You just don't get politics. Stop being such a grump.
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You could always write in your personal choice. How bout I.P. Freely or a classic like Seymour Butts.
 
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eznark

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I hate Schilling though. =( I'll take this as one for Brown then.


You just don't get politics. Stop being such a grump.
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Nah, I don't really care, I assume they are both shit and once Olympia Snowe gets bought this election won't mean a thing anyway for the current health care takeover. A lefty-GAF meltdown would be funny though, so I will definitely be paying attention.

Write in Bill Hall.
 
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Sanjuro

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sprsk said:
No I mean, taking money for a vote, thats illegal. (Also not funny?)
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Why can't it be funny? I'm having some fun and hearing input on this. I'm poor though I need some gas money to get to the booths. :D

Like I said the other night this is huge. I've never seen anything like this before. The vibe I get from here is Brown is going to win. Simple as that. If he doesn't Coakley will by the skin of her teeth which is pretty embarrassing in itself.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Drudge is reporting Wall Street is thinking of challenging the legality of Obamas new tax. Also for those who think just killing the HCR bill is better for the country, my response is yes, let's just continue the horrible status quo that is the U.S. Health Care. Seriously, no thanks.
 
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eznark

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LovingSteam said:
Facebook? That is what it has come to? Ughh
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Come on, people were jerking Obama off for his "new media" strategy. Now you're going to rip a guy for doing the same? Scott Brown needs a neat-o iPhone ap!
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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eznark said:
Come on, people were jerking Obama off for his "new media" strategy. Now you're going to rip a guy for doing the same? Scott Brown needs a neat-o iPhone ap!
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I'm not ripping him. I'm laughing at the idea that how many fans someone has on FB is of any importance.
 
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Y2Kev

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"Martha Coakley Sucks" has 172 members whereas there isn't even a facebook group for "Scott Brown Sucks." MARTHA WIN!!
 
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Aaron

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You know how Republicans pushed forward their various lies and you all laughed at how gullible regular people are for taking these fear mongering press pieces as facts? You have become those people.

Coakley is a lock. It won't even be close. This hysteria of a close race exists entirely in the fantasy world the press have been so good at creating lately. A few people shout for Brown and everyone suddenly thinks all of MA is siding with him. It's madness, and when it's discovered it was entirely untrue from the start, people will forget and do the exact same thing over again in some other state.
 
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Diablos

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LovingSteam said:
Facebook? That is what it has come to? Ughh
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It's a great way to analyze voter enthusiasm, particularly among the younger age brackets. Not saying it's the only way you can tell, nor is it scientific, but it is indeed interesting.

People are going crazy for Scott Brown all over the state it seems. Democrats better be prepared to just pass the Senate bill and get on with it.

Aaron said:
You know how Republicans pushed forward their various lies and you all laughed at how gullible regular people are for taking these fear mongering press pieces as facts? You have become those people.

Coakley is a lock. It won't even be close. This hysteria of a close race exists entirely in the fantasy world the press have been so good at creating lately. A few people shout for Brown and everyone suddenly thinks all of MA is siding with him. It's madness, and when it's discovered it was entirely untrue from the start, people will forget and do the exact same thing over again in some other state.
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Quoting this.
 
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Sanjuro

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Aaron said:
You know how Republicans pushed forward their various lies and you all laughed at how gullible regular people are for taking these fear mongering press pieces as facts? You have become those people.

Coakley is a lock. It won't even be close. This hysteria of a close race exists entirely in the fantasy world the press have been so good at creating lately. A few people shout for Brown and everyone suddenly thinks all of MA is siding with him. It's madness, and when it's discovered it was entirely untrue from the start, people will forget and do the exact same thing over again in some other state.
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....what?
 
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Diablos

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nevermind we found it :D

sprsk said:
Diablos, take your chicken little antics elsewhere, please, for the love of god.
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:lol Comparing facebook fans for two politicans is not Chicken Little.

I think some of you guys just like to rip on me when things are going bad, helps you feel better or something :lol
 
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Diablos

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
In the past few hours I have seen at least little over fifty ads for Brown. I'm not embellishing.
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And you talked to nine people who never vote who are now voting for Brown.

The GOP is pouring every available asset they have into this.
 
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Sanjuro

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Diablos said:
And you talked to nine people who never vote who are now voting for Brown.

The GOP is pouring every available asset they have into this.
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Yeah, nine that I can think of right now. There are a few more who I haven't spoken with since the New Year who most likely would be involved with this.
 
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Sanjuro

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Diablos said:
Did a lot of these people vote for Obama?
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The Obama thing was a non issue. Like I said before, I vote Republican usually because my vote is worthless. It's silly and most of these people just don't vote due to this.


I'm debating putting up a webcam on my TV to show you this. Since my last post I've seen four more ads.
 
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Diablos

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
The Obama thing was a non issue. Like I said before, I vote Republican usually because my vote is worthless. It's silly and most of these people just don't vote due to this.

I'm debating putting up a webcam on my TV to show you this. Since my last post I've seen four more ads.
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Non issue? So they didn't even vote for McCain or Obama?

Wow @ Brown leading Independents 64-32 :O
 
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SlipperySlope

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
The Obama thing was a non issue. Like I said before, I vote Republican usually because my vote is worthless. It's silly and most of these people just don't vote due to this.


I'm debating putting up a webcam on my TV to show you this. Since my last post I've seen four more ads.
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Do it.
 
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