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This is why. Elections are still popularity contests, and sometimes its regardless of the issues. And in an approx. one week time span, this woman suggest Catholics should not work in emergency rooms, called Curt Schilling a Red Sox fan, misspelled Mass. in one of her ads, and denigrated personal campaigning with the electorate.

At the same time, Brown was utilizing the Internet for large campaign infusions while the RNC and the NRSC were sending him money and resources below the radar. Polarizing republican figures like this one:
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not only stayed away but refusing to bite at being baited into jumping into the race. And Brown could be mocked for his truck, but he used it and a campaign very open to the public to connect with voters personally.

The issues mattered little in this election. Ironically, this poll tells me that all these dems wetting their pants are premature because this election was not a message or referendum, but a simple popularity contest that Brown won.

Seriously. WTF was she even thinking?

Republican party: Bunch of old men who only no
Democratic party: Bunch of idealist hippies who can't say no.


Dem majority: We want to pass this bill
Republicans: No
D: We will!
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll make some changes
R: No
D: More changes!
R: No.
D: Fine, we give up.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again.




Republican majority: We want to pass this patriot act bill
D: We don't like it
R: We're passing it.
D: Let's make changes?
R: No
D: But we don't like it
R: We don't care
D: Just this one amendment...
R: No
D: Please?
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll agree to it.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again

It's funny but so accurate.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Republican party: Bunch of old men who only no
Democratic party: Bunch of idealist hippies who can't say no.


Dem majority: We want to pass this bill
Republicans: No
D: We will!
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll make some changes
R: No
D: More changes!
R: No.
D: Fine, we give up.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again.




Republican majority: We want to pass this patriot act bill
D: We don't like it
R: We're passing it.
D: Let's make changes?
R: No
D: But we don't like it
R: We don't care
D: Just this one amendment...
R: No
D: Please?
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll agree to it.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again

:lol :lol :lol =::

 

[devilhawk]

Republican majority: We want to pass this patriot act bill
D: But..
R: What?!?
D: Ok. Here, some will even vote for it.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again

What I remember.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Winning the white house 53 to 46.

59 seats in the senate, 256 seats in House of Reps

And democrats feel that they're not in a position to push their agenda.

Who the fuck cares about the political fallout? Just do the right thing, assholes, most of you are losing as it is.

 

[The Librarian]

Winning the white house 53 to 46.

59 seats in the senate, 256 seats in House of Reps

And democrats feel that they're not in a position to push their agenda.

Who the fuck cares about the political fallout? Just do the right thing, assholes, most of you are losing as it is.

It's the structure of the Senate that's the problem.

 

[NullPointer]

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again.

Obviously if they only compromised more, sincerely no less, none of this would be a problem.

 

[Veritas_]

And democrats feel that they're not in a position to push their agenda.

Who the fuck cares about the political fallout? Just do the right thing, assholes, most of you are losing as it is.

I know what you mean, but career comes before the right thing sometimes. If you've got a well paying "easy" job with great benefits, especially one that takes years to build up, why throw it away by supporting something that is not particularly popular? (At least now anyways.)

Not saying I agree with it, I certainly don't, but that's the way it is.

PS, Hello Poli-GAF

 

[JoeBoy101]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/mcgrory_seduced.html

The definitive breakdown of what happened yesterday and why. :lol :lol :lol

 

[TacticalFox88]

Does anyone hate the fact that ONE person's election is gonna cost America the reform it needs? This is such bullshit. Please let them pass it before he get's sworn in.

 

[PhoenixDark]

It's the structure of the Senate that's the problem.

Meh. They can pass this, I don't know if they want to. The labor/progressive wings of the house could agree to pass the senate bill in exchange for a bill passed through reconciliation. Including medicare buy in, medicaid expansion, and changing the excise tax.

There were 51 votes for medicare buy in. Hell, there were 51 votes for an opt out public option

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Republican party: Bunch of old men who only no
Democratic party: Bunch of idealist hippies who can't say no.


Dem majority: We want to pass this bill
Republicans: No
D: We will!
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll make some changes
R: No
D: More changes!
R: No.
D: Fine, we give up.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again.




Republican majority: We want to pass this patriot act bill
D: We don't like it
R: We're passing it.
D: Let's make changes?
R: No
D: But we don't like it
R: We don't care
D: Just this one amendment...
R: No
D: Please?
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll agree to it.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again

the unbelievably sad truth

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Does anyone hate the fact that ONE person's election is gonna cost America the reform it needs? This is such bullshit. Please let them pass it before he get's sworn in.

Won't happen. Obama and Reid are now calling for the vote to not take place until he is sworn in.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/president-obama-scott-brown-massachusetts-victory/story?id=9611222

"Here's one thing I know and I just want to make sure that this is off the table: The Senate certainly shouldn't try to jam anything through until Scott Brown is seated," the president said. "People in Massachusetts spoke. He's got to be part of that process."

 

[Manmademan]

Winning the white house 53 to 46.

59 seats in the senate, 256 seats in House of Reps

And democrats feel that they're not in a position to push their agenda.

Who the fuck cares about the political fallout? Just do the right thing, assholes, most of you are losing as it is.

as someone else said previously, the problem is the structure of the senate. you can pass things in the HOUSE with a simple majority.

With the SENATE, without a 60 vote majority, bills can be sidelined indefinitely using the fillibuster. This all but guarantees that controversial bills like healthcare will be absolutely derailed without everyone on board- and that includes the two members of the senate that are technically independent and not democrats at all. (Lieberman)

 

[Tamanon]

By the way, another really odious technique that has been ramped up immensely, the anonymous hold on appointees. That's a Senate-only tradition too, right?

 

[Veritas_]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/mcgrory_seduced.html

The definitive breakdown of what happened yesterday and why. :lol :lol :lol

Oh wow. :lol

 

[Byakuya769]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/mcgrory_seduced.html

The definitive breakdown of what happened yesterday and why. :lol :lol :lol

Good find.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Won't happen. Obama and Reid are now calling for the vote to not take place until he is sworn in.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/president-obama-scott-brown-massachusetts-victory/story?id=9611222

"Here's one thing I know and I just want to make sure that this is off the table: The Senate certainly shouldn't try to jam anything through until Scott Brown is seated," the president said. "People in Massachusetts spoke. He's got to be part of that process."

I never thought I'd say this but: Fuck you Obama. What good is letting him be part of the process when He's not gonna allow the reform we need?

 

[mckmas8808]

Obviously if they only compromised more, sincerely no less, none of this would be a problem.

I think pushing a single payer system would have received at least 5 votes for the Senate GOP.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Does anyone hate the fact that ONE person's election is gonna cost America the reform it needs? This is such bullshit. Please let them pass it before he get's sworn in.

I hate the fact that 41 > 59, robbing our government of the ability to, um, govern.

I hate the fact that Democrats are partly corrupt, but are thoroughly cowardly.

I hate the fact that we have a president that is refusing to lead.

Republican party: Bunch of old men who only no
Democratic party: Bunch of idealist hippies who can't say no.


Dem majority: We want to pass this bill
Republicans: No
D: We will!
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll make some changes
R: No
D: More changes!
R: No.
D: Fine, we give up.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again.




Republican majority: We want to pass this patriot act bill
D: We don't like it
R: We're passing it.
D: Let's make changes?
R: No
D: But we don't like it
R: We don't care
D: Just this one amendment...
R: No
D: Please?
R: No.
D: Fine, we'll agree to it.

Democrat voters: Fuck you democrats, Im not voting for you again

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/mcgrory_seduced.html

The definitive breakdown of what happened yesterday and why. :lol :lol :lol

:lol :lol :lol

 

[mckmas8808]

I never thought I'd say this but: Fuck you Obama. What good is letting him be part of the process when He's not gonna allow the reform we need?

What makes you think the Senate will pass the bill now anyways when they know they will end up having 59 seats in 2 weeks?

The House is the one that needs to pass the Senate bill.

 

[The Librarian]

Meh. They can pass this, I don't know if they want to. The labor/progressive wings of the house could agree to pass the senate bill in exchange for a bill passed through reconciliation. Including medicare buy in, medicaid expansion, and changing the excise tax.

There were 51 votes for medicare buy in. Hell, there were 51 votes for an opt out public option

The House will end up passing the Senate's bill. That's how this is gonna turn out.

 

[Manmademan]

The House will end up passing the Senate's bill. That's how this is gonna turn out.

that's how it SHOULD, yes. but with house members running scared they might not.

 

[Tamanon]

The House will end up passing the Senate's bill. That's how this is gonna turn out.

Theoretically it's the best option for them, but Frank sounds like he's already thrown in the towel on it with Labor and the Pro-Lifers against it.

 

[GhaleonEB]

that's how it SHOULD, yes. but with house members running scared they might not.

I wouldn't draw conclusions from the day after. There was a lot of panic yesterday, total panic this morning, and some signs so far today that heads are cooling down.

Example: Labor leaders said yesterday said they'd oppose passing the Senate bill and fixing it later. Today, they're saying pass the Senate bill and fix it later.

We'll have a feel for where this is going to shake out by the end of the week.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

The House will end up passing the Senate's bill. That's how this is gonna turn out.

Hopefully. Then just fix it through reconciliation. Unfortunately, with the lack of cajones from Obama, Reid, and the other democratic Senators, I don't hold any high hopes that this is how it plays out. I believe that there is a better chance of Brown helping Health Care Reform than the bozos on the democratic side actually leading, so pretty much, zilch hope.

 

[reilo]

I hate the fact that 41 > 59, robbing our government of the ability to, um, govern.

I hate the fact that Democrats are partly corrupt, but are thoroughly cowardly.

I hate the fact that we have a president that is refusing to lead.

I hate the fact that it is cemented as a foregone conclusion that a newly elected senator who has not been a part of anything relating to HRC in either parts of congress will be voting no on any kind of HCR. It's not even the old "well, we will see once I get sworn in how I will vote", but a clear and empathetic "I'm no vote number 41 bitches! Yeehaw! You like my truck?"

 

[The Librarian]

I wouldn't draw conclusions from the day after. There was a lot of panic yesterday, total panic this morning, and some signs so far today that heads are cooling down.

Example: Labor leaders said yesterday said they'd oppose passing the Senate bill and fixing it later. Today, they're saying pass the Senate bill and fix it later.

We'll have a feel for where this is going to shake out by the end of the week.

Yep. It's the best course of action, and the problems will (likely) be addressed later on.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I seriously want to know the WHY these Democrats are such fucking pussies I mean shit, you got the GOP in a corner, and they're not even taken advantage of it. God DAMMIT, this makes me so angry. Grow some balls if you want to get re-elected you spineless fucktards.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Yep. It's the best course of action, and the problems will (likely) be addressed later on.

On that note, TPM outlines how the House leadership is trying to regroup.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...ntain-fallout-right-course-on-health-care.php

Short version: they're meeting with straying Dems privately all day today, and are holding a caucus meeting tomorrow. We'll know the direction they're going to take by end of day tomorrow, I suspect.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Healthcare reform legislation is "not dead by any means," Democrats' third-ranking leader in the House emphasized Wednesday.

Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) struck a confident pose about the prospects for healthcare reform in the Senate as Democrats scramble to put together plans to pass healthcare legislation after their special election loss Tuesday in Massachusetts.

"It's not dead by any means," Clyburn said during an appearance on CNBC.

Clyburn made a direct reference to budget reconciliation, a parliamentary maneuver allowing Democrats to sidestep the filibuster rules in the Senate requiring 60 votes to move forward with a piece of legislation.

"I have always said that the magic number on healthcare reform is 50, not 60," he said. "And I do believe that we will have a healthcare reform bill, and we will have one that the American people can be proud of."

Reconciliation is within the arsenal of options on Democrats' hands as they weigh how to proceed next.

One scenario under consideration would have House Democrats pass the Senate bill as is, paired with a separate bill formed under reconciliation rules carving out changes to the healthcare bill that House and Senate Democrats had previously negotiated.

Two key labor groups, the SEIU and AFL-CIO, moved toward backing such a strategy on Wednesday.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/20/827738/-Clyburn-says-health-care-not-dead!Doing-Reconciliation!

It's the best option, lets see they can pull it off

 

[itsinmyveins]

I hate the fact that it is cemented as a foregone conclusion that a newly elected senator who has not been a part of anything relating to HRC in either parts of congress will be voting no on any kind of HCR. It's not even the old "well, we will see once I get sworn in how I will vote", but a clear and empathetic "I'm no vote number 41 bitches! Yeehaw! You like my truck?"

And by the way, what's the deal with healthcare in Massachusetts?

 

[mckmas8808]

Theoretically it's the best option for them, but Frank sounds like he's already thrown in the towel on it with Labor and the Pro-Lifers against it.

Surprised to see the Labor group so hard against still.

 

[Mercury Fred]

I seriously want to know the WHY these Democrats are such fucking pussies I mean shit, you got the GOP in a corner, and they're not even taken advantage of it. God DAMMIT, this makes me so angry. Grow some balls if you want to get re-elected you spineless fucktards.

This is why I was Team Hilldawg. I think she had a ton of problems and was way to the right of where I wanted a candidate, but I always thought that she'd be the kind of hard ass today's political climate demands. Obama has shown himself to be about as forceful as a piece of wet paper towel.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.

We all know the Republicans won't let any jobs bill pass the Senate on account of, "LOL THAR BE MORE TAXES!"

May as well get health care done.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Does anyone hate the fact that ONE person's election is gonna cost America the reform it needs? This is such bullshit. Please let them pass it before he get's sworn in.

if anything, it just shows that we get exactly the government we deserve.

Good government is supposed to be deliberate and slow, and people are so damn fickle for politicians to even govern properly. Electability and proper governance are in conflict with each other.

 

[Averon]

Why do Dems always think that capitulating to the GOP will save their asses in November? Do they think running to the right on some issues will prevent the GOP from labeling them as weak, socialist Nazis? Did they learn nothing from 2002 and 2004? Why vote for a pseudo-conservative when you can get the real thing?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

if anything, it just shows that we get exactly the government we deserve.

Good government is supposed to be deliberate and slow, and people are so damn fickle for politicians to even govern properly. Electability and governance are in conflict with each other.

Good government is also suppose to have dialogue and compromise. The Republicans have made sure that wasn't going to happen.

 

[PhoenixDark]

This is why I was Team Hilldawg. I think she had a ton of problems and was way to the right of where I wanted a candidate, but I always thought that she'd be the kind of hard ass today's political climate demands. Obama has shown himself to be about as forceful as a piece of wet paper towel.

Agreed 110%. This is not the time for amateur hour at the WH.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Theoretically it's the best option for them, but Frank sounds like he's already thrown in the towel on it with Labor and the Pro-Lifers against it.

Labor has reversed course.

From the article above (and in others today):

Two key labor groups, the SEIU and AFL-CIO, moved toward backing such a strategy on Wednesday.

From the din of panic a potential plan is emerging. We'll see how it shakes out soon.

 

[Particle Physicist]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/20/827738/-Clyburn-says-health-care-not-dead!Doing-Reconciliation!

It's the best option, lets see they can pull it off

Yeah, they can even wait till Brown is seated to do that.

 

[mckmas8808]

This is why I was Team Hilldawg. I think she had a ton of problems and was way to the right of where I wanted a candidate, but I always thought that she'd be the kind of hard ass today's political climate demands. Obama has shown himself to be about as forceful as a piece of wet paper towel.

She FAILED TO GET HEALTHCARE OUT OF THE COMMITTEES!!! Obama has done a billion times better of a job on Healthcare reform than Hillary and Bill Clinton did.

 

[Tamanon]

Agreed 110%. This is not the time for amateur hour at the WH.

:lol :lol

Although I wish the Senate would've waited a day or two for the Debt ceiling vote, so Brown could at least experience the ultimate in nose-holding(since it requires 60 votes this time)

 

[minus_273]

Why do Dems always think that capitulating to the GOP will save their asses in November? Do they think running to the right on some issues will prevent the GOP from labeling them as weak, socialist Nazis? Did they learn nothing from 2002 and 2004? Why vote for a pseudo-conservative when you can get the real thing?

isnt that redundant? Nazi is short for National Socialist you just said socialists national socialist

 

[Mercury Fred]

She FAILED TO GET HEALTHCARE OUT OF THE COMMITTEES!!! Obama has done a billion times better of a job on Healthcare reform than Hillary and Bill Clinton did.

I'm sorry, tell me again when she was president.

And you wonder why people call you a cheerleader :lol :lol :lol

 

[GhaleonEB]

This is why I was Team Hilldawg. I think she had a ton of problems and was way to the right of where I wanted a candidate, but I always thought that she'd be the kind of hard ass today's political climate demands. Obama has shown himself to be about as forceful as a piece of wet paper towel.

Hilldawg would not have gotten a bill out of committee.

 

[Matt]

isnt that redundant? Nazi is short for National Socialist you just said socialists national socialist

No, because outside of the name, Nazis have nothing to do with socialism.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Hilldawg would not have gotten a bill out of committee.

Why do you say this

 

[mckmas8808]

I'm sorry, tell me again when she was president.

And you wonder why people call you a cheerleader :lol :lol :lol

Wasn't her husband the president? What makes you think Hillary would have been better at getting healthcare passed if she was president over Bill Clinton?

Her ass couldn't even win the DEM nomination for christ's sake. People only call me a cheerleader because they don't have anything intelligent to say. So they do what you just did. Say something stupid.

 

[mckmas8808]

Why do you say this

What happened last time? She and her husband failed BIG TIME! It was horrible. Nobody in Congress wanted to touch healthcare after Hillary screwed it up big time. No committees passed their version. All 5 committees passed on it because they did such a horrible job. Hillary took healthcare from the 1 yard line to the 10 yard line (9 yard gain). Obama took it from the 1 yard line to the other team's 3 yard line (96 yard gain). And now it's 4th and goal.

A healthcare bill hasn't passed the Congress in 100 years and you automatically think that Hillary could have done it?

She couldn't get enough support to win the DEM nom, so how could she convince enough people to pass a healthcare bill?

 

[RustyNails]

Scott Brown made it clear to the people that he's being sent by MA to send the healthcare bill back to the drawing board. Snowe is just pathetic. There's no point in talking with the republican members at all. Obama tried doing that for the past whole year, and not a single republican vote came from it apart from that 1 vote in congress. They should let Brown take the seat, see where things are going and pass the bill as budget reconciliation. We have come too far to go back to the drawing boards, expended too much time and energy discussing it, invested tremendous political capital trying to prop it up in front of insurance industry and there are many important things on Obama's table other than healthcare. Its time to wrap up the messy burrito.