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One thing I don't understand is that if these white republicans are saying Sotomayor's opinion on certain issues would be influenced by her ethnicity, are republicans implying that white men alone are only allowed to give their opinion/get elected to the SCOTUS? :lol
 

Zero Hero

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This was on the front page of my paper today.
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Secret Muslin indeed. :lol :lol

Damnit, I can't find the old guy with the "Obama is a secret muslin" sign.
 

gcubed

Member
continuing jobless claims actually fall for the first time since Jan... its one week, gotta see how pretty much all of June rolls out before people get a little excited
 

mAcOdIn

Member
Jason's Ultimatum said:
One thing I don't understand is that if these white republicans are saying Sotomayor's opinion on certain issues would be influenced by her ethnicity, are republicans implying that white men alone are only allowed to give their opinion/get elected to the SCOTUS? :lol
Well I do think there's a double standard, if a white judge said what she said she'd be blasted for it.
Further Sotomayor seems to agree that it'll make a difference in her own words.

I seem to recall Republicans also nominating a Hispanic judge so take that as you will.

That said, theoretically it shouldn't matter because Supreme Court justices should basically be doing black and white constitutionality arguments not identifying with people or shit like that.

Personally I think the Supreme Court sucks, I think she'll be more "activist" than the right wants, not enough of what the left wants, basically not world ending but not great either, but then most on the Supreme Court are crap so it's not like it'll matter. Politically I think she's a non issue because she won't change the court enough unless she's been hiding her fangs for years waiting for this moment.
MrHicks said:
does anybody know when the hypocrisy relationship with saudi arabia is gonna end?
does the us goverment really have to throw away its values just because they have a shitton of oil?

the saudi royals are dictators ruling with an iron fist with a police squad that tortures all native critics etc etc

then you get pics like this (and bush before him)

best friends <3

if your gonna hate dictators you should hate all of them
To be fair Obama hasn't been too hard on regimes like this so he's not acting hypocritical in my eyes, Bush was very hard on certain regimes so the bill of hypocrite would fit for him.
 

MrHicks

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does anybody know when the hypocrisy relationship with saudi arabia is gonna end?
does the us goverment really have to throw away its values just because they have a shitton of oil?

the saudi royals are dictators ruling with an iron fist with a police squad that tortures all native critics etc etc

then you get pics like this (and bush before him)
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best friends <3

if your gonna hate dictators you should hate all of them
 

thefro

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not really much of a choice with the Saudis, besides all the oil they own a lot of US Debt.

As far as regional politics goes they're pretty moderate for the region. Basically if anything's going to get done with Israel/Palestine we need their help.

It's unfortunate that their human rights record is so horrible, but like with China our best option is to suck it up and work with them.
 
PHOTOS Tuning In

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Palestinian security forces at their headquarters in the West Bank city of Jenin

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Guests listen to U.S. President Barack Obama's speech in the Grand Hall of Cairo University

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A Kenyan watches a live broadcast of a speech by President Barack Obama in Nairobi, Kenya

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Iraqi men in Bahdad

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Palestinians at a coffee shop in Gaza City

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A man at a shopping center in Jerusalem

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Syrian women at a cafe in downtown Damascus, Syria

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A Palestinian man at an electronics shop in the West Bank city of Jenin

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Palestinians at their house in Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip

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Egyptian citizens watch a televised broadcast of U.S. President Barack Obama delivering a speech in the Grand Hall of Cairo University

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A gym in Dubai, United Arab Emirates

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A Turkish man in a shop in Istanbul

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A cafe in Kerbala, 80 km (50 miles) southwest of Baghdad

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A Palestinian family at their home in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah

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42-year-old Bilal Hussein Lafta, left, who spend two years in the American military detention at Camp Bucca, watches US President Barack Obama's speech with his family at their home in Sadr City in Baghdad, Iraq

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A Lebanese man in a cafe in Beirut, Lebanon

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Indonesian men watch a TV showing President Barack Obama delivering his speech at a food stall in Jakarta, Indonesia

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Egyptians watch US President Barack Obama's key Middle East speech on TV in a coffee shop in the Islamic old city

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A lone man walks in an empty street at a usually crowded district of Cairo during the speech of US President Barack Obama
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
Macam said:
1. Massachusetts (by court case and then corresponding legislation)
2. Connecticut (by court case and then corresponding legislation)
3. Iowa (by court case)
4. Maine (by legislation) -- as of 90 days after end of June 2009 legislative session
5. Vermont (by legislation, over veto of governor) -- as of September 1, 2009
6. New Hampshire (by legislation) -- as of January 1, 2010
Come on Rhode Island! Make all of New England the smartest part of the country!
 
PHOTOS Dresden's all set.

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A poster is pictured outside a jeweller's shop offering a discount of twenty percent during the visit of President Barack on June 4, 2009 in Dresden, Germany.

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A welcome note for President Barack Obama is seen at the entrance of a restaurant inside the security zone in downtown Dresden

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Tourists pass in front of the Frauenkirche (Church of Our Lady) next to a poster before a visit of President Barack Obama to Dresden

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A tourist passes a shop with local handcrafts in the old city of Dresden

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Bulla564

Banned
Those pictures from around the world gave me goosebumps. It almost as if Obama was giving the Independence Day speech to the world.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Any international reactions yet? More interested in ppl on the street interviews, but gov't responses as well...
 

Baraka in the White House

2-Terms of Kombat
I really need to stop looking at the online comments section of my local paper. No matter what the subject of the story is, at least 7 out of 10 comments are trashing Obama. It's like every day is November 5, 2008 around here.
 
mAcOdIn said:
Well I do think there's a double standard, if a white judge said what she said she'd be blasted for it.
Further Sotomayor seems to agree that it'll make a difference in her own words.

(1) It's not a double standard, because there is an actual historical (and present) basis that calls for different standards to be applied. A white judge should be blasted for saying something equivalent, because a white judge has no basis for saying they would be better decision-makers in race-discrimination cases.

(2) Race will and should make a difference. A white man will not be able to understand a race-discrimination case in the same way a Hispanic or black woman will understand it. And the former's understanding will necessarily be deficient by virtue of his lack of experience with systemic and institutional race discrimination. This is the basis for Sotomayor's words, and she is absolutely correct. She should make no apologies, least of all to the racist right.
 
Obama is one smooth motherfucker, I get teary eye'd whenever he does one of these large international speeches.

He must be the anti-Christ cause this shit is too good to be true. :lol
 

APF

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If white men can't accurately interpret the law WRT discrimination cases, doesn't that mean they are inferior jurists?
 

suaveric

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DOO13ER said:
I really need to stop looking at the online comments section of my local paper. No matter what the subject of the story is, at least 7 out of 10 comments are trashing Obama. It's like every day is November 5, 2008 around here.

Which paper is it? I've noticed the same thing at the Chicago Tribune's website.
 

adg1034

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suaveric said:
Which paper is it? I've noticed the same thing at the Chicago Tribune's website.

Honestly, probably any paper. You get the same thing with the Minneapolis Star Tribune. It has to be an internet thing. We attracts the crazies.
 

GhaleonEB

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scorcho said:
Drudge is living it up today -

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PRESIDENT SPORTS THIN MOUSTACHE IN EGYPT...
I assumed this was a joke of yours, but I went to check his site (which I am loathe to do), and holy shit. He really has been stooping to new lows, even by his standards. :lol
 
What did Fox News think of the speech?

Obama Overture to Hamas Suggests Inevitability of Terror Group's Dominance Among Palestinians

In an apparent policy shift, President Obama on Thursday invited Hamas -- a designated terror organization -- to "play a role" in the future of the Palestinian people.

During his speech to the Muslim world in Cairo on Thursday, the U.S. president bluntly recognized the group, which has called for the destruction of Israel, in a two-sentence passage that was part of a broader discussion about the terms for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

"Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have to recognize they have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, recognize Israel's right to exist," Obama said.

The president then called on Israel to end settlement construction and for both sides to embrace a two-state solution. He reiterated that the U.S. bond with Israel is "unbreakable."

Some observers said they were struck by the firm tone Obama took with both sides in addressing the generations-old conflict and particularly with his recognition of Hamas, which may signal to the group that it is seen as an inevitable part of the Palestinian future.

"That is a major shift in Middle East policy and it's not good," said Marc Thiessen, former speechwriter for former President George W. Bush, who sought to isolate Hamas.

"Israel has reached out to the Muslim world by giving Gaza back and they have even talked about a Palestinian state. But all of these entities, Hamas, Hezbollah and others, have said Israel's right to exist should not be guaranteed," said Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia.

The three "responsibilities" Obama mentioned -- an end to violence, recognition of past agreements and of Israel's right to exist -- have been part of U.S. policy toward Hamas for years. But those responsibilities are often stated as conditions for engagement with Hamas -- not for implied Western support of Hamas governance.

Bruce Riedel, a foreign policy fellow with the Brookings Institution and former Middle East adviser to several U.S. presidents, said Obama -- ever the pragmatist -- was merely trying to steer an undeniable force in Palestinian life and politics into the mainstream.

"I think he's challenging them. ... He's saying if you want to lead your people forward, here's what you need to do," he said. "The reality is Hamas now controls Gaza, more than 1 million people. It can't be ignored."

Currently, the Fatah government of Mahmoud Abbas is in charge of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Hamas controls the Gaza Strip, which Israel vacated in 2005.

Fatah and Hamas broke ties from a coalition government two years ago when Hamas won a majority of votes in parliamentary elections, but could not control key ministries and maintain Western support because of its widespread designation as a terror group.

One Hamas official Mahmoud Ramahi offered qualified praise for the speech.

"I have followed the speech closely. There are many positive points," Ramahi is quoted saying in the Jerusalem Post. "There is a difference between his policy and Bush's policy. I see a change in the U.S. foreign policy discourse."

As for Obama's statements on Israeli settlements and the two-state solution, Riedel said they were tough, but necessary.

"It was about as direct and forceful as you could have gotten... he didn't pull any punches with either side," he said, noting that Obama's also forcefully condemned Holocaust deniers, a message likely aimed at Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and those who call for the destruction of Israel. But he said the speech is sure to cause a backlash in Israel.

"The Israelis are not going to like some of what they heard, especially about settlements," he said.

In the days leading up to his address, the president's prior call for Israel to abandon all settlement construction drew criticism in the Jewish state, and had been rebuffed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's issued a statement after the speech praising the U.S. president in broad terms.

"The government of Israel expresses hope that President Obama's important speech will lead to a new period of reconciliation between the Arab and Muslim world, and Israel," the statement said.

"Israel is obligated to peace and will do as much as possible to help expand the circle of peace, while taking into consideration our national interests, the foremost of which is security," it concluded.

But Israeli media reported Thursday that settler leaders were frustrated by Obama's address.

Habayit Hayehudi chairman Daniel Hershkowitz was quoted saying Obama presented a "fabricated history" and ignored those Palestinians who have not renounced terror.

"The government of Israel is not America's lackey. The relations with the Americans are based on friendship and not submission, and therefore Israel must tell Obama that stopping natural growth in the settlements is a red line," he said, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Obama's speech also exposed divides among Israel's lawmakers over the settlement and statehood issues. Other politicians welcomed Obama's tough talk, and said it proved Netanyahu represents narrow interests by opposing elements of that roadmap to peace.

Meanwhile, Palestinian news outlet Ma'an News Agency reported that Hamas invited Obama to visit the Gaza Strip in a letter -- which anti-war group CodePink planned to deliver Thursday.

In the letter, Hamas urged Obama to visit the territory to "witness the results of the Israeli war," referring to the offensive launched by Israel in late December in response to a barrage of rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.

"Such a visit will put the United States in a higher position in the view of the entire world in order to solve the conflict," the letter said.

Nice.
 
These are hilarious. :lol :lol :lol
Deus Ex Machina said:
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A cafe in Kerbala, 80 km (50 miles) southwest of Baghdad

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A Lebanese man in a cafe in Beirut, Lebanon


I know . . . it is just a hookah and it is just tobacco. But still . . . especially that first one with the big row of bongs.
 
gcubed said:
basically the whole article can be summed up by saying "Obama isnt Israels bitch, right wingers go crazy, news at 11"

Honestly, the article itself isn't all that bad. It just kind of says what both sides are thinking, presents positive and negative views of the speech, and leaves it at that. That headline, though... that headline is the reason that Fox isn't taken particularly seriously by many.
 
It's funny to me that someone in that article says that "Israelis" are not going to like what they hear about the settlements, when in reality many Israelis in fact believe that expanding the settlements and spitting in the face of the Palestinians is detrimental to Israel's continued existence. Public opinion in Israel itself has always been far more diverse than what AIPAC demands of US politicians.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GhaleonEB said:
"I challenge any Arab leader to go to the U.S. or the West and quote the Bible like Obama quoted the Quran." — Rabah al-Mutawa, a Saudi woman in Riyadh.

Certainly puts what Obama did today in perspective.


Good point by the Saudi lady. That Arab leader would probably be crushed. And it puts into perspective how confident Obama is in himself and America.
 
charlequin said:
It's funny to me that someone in that article says that "Israelis" are not going to like what they hear about the settlements, when in reality many Israelis in fact believe that expanding the settlements and spitting in the face of the Palestinians is detrimental to Israel's continued existence. Public opinion in Israel itself has always been far more diverse than what AIPAC demands of US politicians.
Yeah, good point. He should have said 'many Israelis' but I guess since Bibi is their current leader, it was just a shorthand way to address the current Israel majority.
 

Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
speculawyer said:
Yeah, good point. He should have said 'many Israelis' but I guess since Bibi is their current leader, it was just a shorthand way to address the current Israel majority.


Bibi didn't even get the majority vote.. He was able to get power through a majority coalition.. so even that statement doesn't ring true.
 
Great speech. Not surprising that the right is focusing on a couple lines, ignoring everything else. You'd think everyone could agree with the basic premise of the speech, which was kinda forceful at times.
 
Hamas Delivers Peace Letter to President Obama

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/04

Hamas Delivers Peace Letter to President Obama
by Medea Benjamin
Common Dreams.org
June 4, 2009

The Hamas government in Gaza reached out to President Obama on the occasion of his visit to the Middle East, announcing that Hamas was willing to talk to all parties “on the basis of mutual respect and without preconditions.” CODEPINK cofounder Medea Benjamin, who carried the letter out from Gaza, said that the letter represented a significant development and an effort by Hamas to present a new face to the Western world. “While Osama bin Laden used the occasion of President Obama’s visit to deliver a scathing attack, Hamas reached out to a feminist U.S. peace group to deliver a letter to Obama urging dialogue, mutual respect and adherence to international law,” said Medea Benjamin.

The letter was signed by Ahmed Yusef, Deputy Foreign Minister and hand-delivered to Benjamin, who was in Gaza headed a 66-person delegation representing 10 nations. Benjamin and representatives of CODEPINK are delivering the letter to the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today, June 4, during Obama’s visit to Egypt.

The text of the letter is below.

His Excellency President Barack Obama,
President of the United States of America.
June 3rd 2009

Dear Mr. President,

We welcome your visit to the Arab world and your administration’s initiative to bridge differences with the Arab-Muslim world.

One long-standing source of tension between the United States and this part of the world has been the failure to resolve the Israel-Palestine conflict.

It is therefore unfortunate that you will not visit Gaza during your trip to the Middle East and that neither your Secretary of State nor George Mitchell have come to hear our point of view.

We have received numerous visits recently from people of widely varied backgrounds: U.S. Congressional representatives, European parliamentarians, the U.N.-appointed Goldstone commission, and grassroots delegations such as those organized by the U.S. peace group CODEPINK.

It is essential for you to visit Gaza. We have recently passed through a brutal 22-day Israeli attack. Amnesty International observed that the death and destruction Gaza suffered during the invasion could not have happened without U.S.-supplied weapons and U.S.-taxpayers’ money.

Human Rights Watch has documented that the white phosphorus Israel dropped on a school, hospital, United Nations warehouse and civilian neighborhoods in Gaza was manufactured in the United States. Human Rights Watch concluded that Israel’s use of this white phosphorus was a war crime.

Shouldn’t you see first-hand how Israel used your arms and spent your money?

Before becoming president you were a distinguished professor of law. The U.S. government has also said that it wants to foster the rule of law in the Arab-Muslim world.

The International Court of Justice stated in July 2004 that the whole of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are occupied Palestinian territories designated for Palestinian self-determination, and that the Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal.


Not one of the 15 judges sitting on the highest judicial body in the world dissented from these principles.

The main human rights organizations in the world, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, have issued position papers supporting the right of the Palestinian refugees to return and compensation.

Each year in the United Nations General Assembly nearly every country in the world has supported these principles for resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict. Every year the Arab League puts forth a peace proposal based on these principles for resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Leading human rights organizations such as Human Rights Watch have also stated that Israel’s siege of Gaza is a form of collective punishment and therefore illegal under international law.

We in the Hamas Government are committed to pursuing a just resolution to the conflict not in contradiction with the international community and enlightened opinion as expressed in the International Court of Justice, the United Nations General Assembly, and leading human rights organizations. We are prepared to engage all parties on the basis of mutual respect and without preconditions.

However, our constituency needs to see a comprehensive paradigm shift that not only commences with lifting the siege on Gaza and halts all settlement building and expansion but develops into a policy of evenhandedness based on the very international law and norms we are prodded into adhering to.

Again, we welcome you to Gaza which would allow you to see firsthand our ground zero. Furthermore, it would enhance the US position; enabling you to speak with new credibility and authority in dealing with all the parties.

Very Truly Yours,
Dr. Ahmed Yousef
Deputy of the Foreign Affairs Ministry
Former Senior Political Advisor
to Prime Minister Ismael Hanniya

That was fast!! :D
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
SimpleDesign said:
We need to put Israel in it's place and give Palestine their land.

I'm just happy we are no longer seemingly giving Israel a free pass.
 

Bulla564

Banned
Deus Ex Machina said:
Hamas Delivers Peace Letter to President Obama

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/04

Hamas Delivers Peace Letter to President Obama
by Medea Benjamin
Common Dreams.org
June 4, 2009

The Hamas government in Gaza reached out to President Obama on the occasion of his visit to the Middle East, announcing that Hamas was willing to talk to all parties “on the basis of mutual respect and without preconditions.” CODEPINK cofounder Medea Benjamin, who carried the letter out from Gaza, said that the letter represented a significant development and an effort by Hamas to present a new face to the Western world. “While Osama bin Laden used the occasion of President Obama’s visit to deliver a scathing attack, Hamas reached out to a feminist U.S. peace group to deliver a letter to Obama urging dialogue, mutual respect and adherence to international law,” said Medea Benjamin.

The letter was signed by Ahmed Yusef, Deputy Foreign Minister and hand-delivered to Benjamin, who was in Gaza headed a 66-person delegation representing 10 nations. Benjamin and representatives of CODEPINK are delivering the letter to the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today, June 4, during Obama’s visit to Egypt.

The text of the letter is below.



That was fast!! :D

Hannity does not approve. All it does is embolden the enemy, unprotect our borrrdrsss, and appease the islamo-fascist regimes.
 
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