By you perhaps. In reality they will be seen as the beginning of a new left movement that this country has been in dire need of for decades.And there's plenty more from where that came from.
Yeah yeah "not all Bernie fans" I get that, but this shit and everything else like it is the legacy that they would be remembered by.
This is my point though. Youre cherry picking what a few people have done and extrapolating it to the whole group. A Hillary supporter stalked and attacked female bernie supporters. Is that inddicative of all her supporters? Of course not. You need to admit you have a double standard when it comes to this. Its beyond depressing that youre content to villify people simply because they dont support your candidate. Im not part of the bernie or bust crowd, but attitudes like yours are part of what gave birth to that crowd.
Ah, the good ol' "GAF is a hivemind so I'm going to stop defending my flimsy arguments" tactic.
He got a majority of the young vote including minorities.
The racial divide was indeed more present with older voters.
Everything else is just tabloid fiction.
Yet you just said the folks who give less than two shits about minorities if they don't fall in line are the new left. Just stop.Your sense of righteousness is inflated and unearned.
If the lesson from this election is that minorities will from now on support the establishment, and that they can't be relied upon to try to help to change a corrupt and unjust system, that may just be the saddest thing I've ever heard.
Just how did the people in power do this? They must really be geniuses. I bow to their superior skills of deceit and manipulation. They're too good. They've got black people lining up en masse to vote for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. Even writing it I still can't quite believe it.
Let's just take stock here: Young white voters are actually kind of voting against their best interests, by supporting a candidate looking to tear down power structures that certainly benefit them more than others and create a more level playing field, while black voters are backing one of the ultimate poster children for deeply entrenched and corrupt political power and privilege.
How did minorities get left behind in this groundswell movement that seeks to combat the excesses and abuses of the corporate class? Don't they realize it governs almost every troublesome aspect of society - the criminal justice system, the education system, the employment sector, the banking system? I'll never understand it.
Yet you just said the folks who give less than two shits about minorities if they don't fall in line are the new left. Just stop.
I know I said I'd leave the thread, but ya'll got to me. Consider these instances:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/07/politics/bill-clinton-black-lives-matter-protesters/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...el-sorry-for-young-people-who-believe-sanders
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...allegedly-attacking-bernie-sanders-supporter/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/12/hillary-clinton-misleads-vermont-gun-claim/
Imagine if Sanders' campaign and supporters had done these things. Imagine how you all would react. This is the double standard I'm talking about.
In some of your minds, Sanders and his supporters are uncaring or outright hostile to minorities. What evidence do you have for this? A few posts online, a few anonymous threats left on voicemail, and the mere fact that Sanders didn't win a majority of minority voters.
For this, Sanders is responsible for showing the "racial divide" in the party and Clinton has been totally non-negative throughout the entire primary and deserves no blame for fostering this division. Now I don't think the things posted above should be taken as indicative of Hillary or her supporters as a whole. But I have to ask in as non-hostile of a way as possible, why we don't hear mention of these things, but only implications about the motivations behind Sanders and his supporters. Please spare me the passive aggressive insults and false characterizations and just answer my question.
This thread is entirely about the proof. Just because you wave your arms around and say "nuh uh" doesn't make it untrue. In fact, you're part of the problem when you do that. Bernie wrote of the South, and so we wrote him off.Again, where is your evidence for the bolded? All due respect, but if you can't give it to me, it's you who needs to stop.
In some of your minds, Sanders and his supporters are uncaring or outright hostile to minorities. What evidence do you have for this? A few posts online, a few anonymous threats left on voicemail, and the mere fact that Sanders didn't win a majority of minority voters.
For this, Sanders is responsible for showing the "racial divide" in the party and Clinton has been totally non-negative throughout the entire primary and deserves no blame for fostering this division. Now I don't think the things posted above should be taken as indicative of Hillary or her supporters as a whole. But I have to ask in as non-hostile of a way as possible, why we don't hear mention of these things, but only implications about the motivations behind Sanders and his supporters. Please spare me the passive aggressive insults and false characterizations and just answer my question.
Easy young white voters aren't always right. Or else none of these problems law wise would exist?If the lesson from this election is that minorities will from now on support the establishment, and that they can't be relied upon to try to help to change a corrupt and unjust system, that may just be the saddest thing I've ever heard.
Just how did the people in power do this? They must really be geniuses. I bow to their superior skills of deceit and manipulation. They're too good. They've got black people lining up en masse to vote for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. Even writing it I still can't quite believe it.
Let's just take stock here: Young white voters are actually kind of voting against their best interests, by supporting a candidate looking to tear down power structures that certainly benefit them more than others and create a more level playing field, while black voters are backing one of the ultimate poster children for deeply entrenched and corrupt political power and privilege.
How did minorities get left behind in this groundswell movement that seeks to combat the excesses and abuses of the corporate class? Don't they realize it governs almost every troublesome aspect of society - the criminal justice system, the education system, the employment sector, the banking system? I'll never understand it.
I couched it in an inability to change his message early enough, something he started to get better with later in the process. Unfortunately by that point, it was too late.
I'm still unsure as to how Clinton created the racial divide. Sanders didn't create the racial divide either, he merely failed to account for it.
Hopefully if you read this elsewhere, you'll see where I'm coming from.
If you mean the white bernie supporters specifically saying they know better than us black voters, then no its not ridiculous. Hand waving away the issue just feeds into it.There is definitely more to this story I'm interested in reading about, but saying black voters are pragmatic and white Bernie supporters are privileged is such a ridiculous over generalization.
If you mean the white bernie supporters specifically saying they know better than us black voters, then no its not ridiculous. Hand waving away the issue just feeds into it.
The internet gives voice to morons to an audience of thousands or even millions they don't represent everybody. What percentage of white bernie supporters are saying they know better than black voters? Anecdotal, but I was recently at a cookout of Bernie supporters that sentiment was not expressed.
Your anecdotes mean nothing when Bernie himself said we weren't smart enough to vote for him.
Again you're handwaving away an issue blacks are telling you exists, but keep going. You're proving the article right.
If you mean the white bernie supporters specifically saying they know better than us black voters, then no its not ridiculous. Hand waving away the issue just feeds into it.
Link?
Bernie after losing SC said:"There's no way we're going to lose Minnesota. I can see that," he said. "You are just too smart."
Thats why, despite what looks like intractable problems to white Democrats, minority voters are more optimistic about the future than their white counterparts. That Obama was able to become president and get stuff done is an enormous source of not only pride, but hope. The Kaiser Family Foundation found that more than half of young black and Latinos believe their lives will be better than their parents, compared with less than a third of young white people. On many measures, black people have seen much worse daysthe black unemployment rate neared 17 percent at the height of the Great Recession and is less than half that noweven as they continue fighting decades-long struggles. Things arent perfect, but the progress that has occurred during the Obama era isnt something they want ignored or downplayed. Given that reality, why would they believe in the need for a revolution?
Many self professed liberals have been showing their asses for the last 18 months.
Bernie just gave them the outlet.
You haven't been paying attention, then.The internet gives voice to morons to an audience of thousands or even millions they don't represent everybody. What percentage of white bernie supporters are saying they know better than black voters? Anecdotal, but I was recently at a cookout of Bernie supporters that sentiment was not expressed.
SO glad this shit is done with.The tone deafness involved in a mostly white Bernie crowd singing "We Shall Over Come" were equal parts amazing and maddening.
Message and outreach are important factors, but to say there is racial divide in the democratic party is a joke without factoring other reasons why Hillary received more of the minority votes. There is definitely more to this story I'm interested in reading about, but saying black voters are pragmatic and white Bernie supporters are privileged is such a ridiculous over generalization.
Not gonna educate you on dog whistle politics.The Minnesota quote is reaching.
You haven't been paying attention, then.
Hell, I sarcastically tweeted after the SC primary that it was a shame black people didn't know what was good for them, and was immediately RT'd and liked by double-digit Bernie supporters in the first 5 minutes.
Glad this shit is done with.
SO glad this shit is done with.
The idea of the white liberal riding in on his high horse to the black community, selling them a bill of goods, in return for a guaranteed vote, is not a new one. Liberals have been using blacks as a reliable voting bloc while smothering their (our) voice with paternalism and respectability politics for a looong time.
Bernie didn't expose anything that we didn't already know existed.
Think Civil Rights Movement.
Not gonna educate you on dog whistle politics.
Now you're just playing ignorant. If you can't put two and two together over his statements about the South being conservative and how other folks are too smart, maybe you shouldn't be speaking on these issues?The dude needed the black vote and they're not only concentrated in the South. NY, NJ, Philly, and Cali were coming up why would he make subtle jabs about black people's intelligence when he needed their votes.
Now you're just playing ignorant. If you can't put two and two together over his statements about the South being conservative and how other folks are too smart, maybe you shouldn't be speaking on these issues?
I swear I'm not. I don't see it the way you do. It doesn't make sense to insult through implication the intelligence of a minority group if you're trying to be the democratic presidential nominee.
But it happened, so? This same man insulted AIDS activist because they told him he couldn't lie and use them to promote himself. This same man claims Hillary is corrupt, when the NRA(and inherently the one subject hes weak on) helped get him elected. This same man said the white voting block is the key. It doesn't make sense, but it happened.
There is no point in continuing further. I don't see it your way and we're not going to change each other's opinion. Also this discussion is getting too broad.
No, it doesn't make sense. Yet he did it anyway. Which is why he's now kicking rocks.I swear I'm not. I don't see it the way you do. It doesn't make sense to insult through implication the intelligence of a minority group if you're trying to be the democratic presidential nominee.
It absolutely doesn't make sense if you're running a good campaign to win the nomination. At this point I think we can all agree Bernie Sanders did not run a good campaign.I swear I'm not. I don't see it the way you do. It doesn't make sense to insult through implication the intelligence of a minority group if you're trying to be the democratic presidential nominee.
Really? Seems like there are more Hilary than Bernie supporters on here
Thats cause Bernie supporters keep getting banned with their condescending bullshit, like the guy who just said he "doesn't understand" why minorities don't like Bernie and how they are voting "against their interests" by not voting for him.
Regarding the issue of supposedly voting against one's interest, I realize the racial dimension here, but:
Republicans vote against their interest constantly and with wild abandon. It's clearly a thing that people do.
She had the black vote in 2008 early on as well.
Until Bill screwed it up.
Actually Clinton exposed the rift in 2008 with the whole "blue collar white democrat" thing, but now she's the hero.
The majority of blacks were going to vote for Clinton, she was pretty much a shoo in; up until this young charismatic black man with a message of change won Iowa, and this sentiment that "a black man ain't got a chance" turned into excitement that "this black man actually has a shot to making history". Hilary becoming Secretary of State in Obama's administration did a lot to heal whatever leftover wounds were still left from her campaign against Barack.
