this is a good point
who would replace colossus, psylocke and sentinel for the 3 assists you always pick no matter what
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this is a good point
who would replace colossus, psylocke and sentinel for the 3 assists you always pick no matter what
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If the rumors are true, MvC4 has been in the works for the last year and a half - two years, and just started as an unnamed/associated versus tittle. Became a Marvel game later on.
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Troubled Bat
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In other words, we were close to having Capcom All-Star Vs.
Stone Ocean
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2v2 doesn't necessarily mean we'll only get one assist though. We could very well get one assist from your partner like in TVC besides a dedicated assist character.
Well the rumor is saying 2v2 and 1 assist so it's like a combined rumor.
Jawmuncher
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Really? That's absolutely crazy then.
"Just make a versus title, if marvel calls us back we'll roll with it"
"Marvel called back, they wanna be in the game"
Could totally see it too.
I could've had an even higher chance of seeing Regina in a new game ;_;
If it's really 2v2 with 1 assist then I prefer it to be like MSH vs SF. At least then risk/reward is there, we don't have characters relegated to assist characters only and synergy actually matters between two characters.
MVC1 you can pick your two best characters (ie. 2 top tier characters) and then a god tier assist (so everyone picks Colossus) and that's your "team". Wow the theory crafting.
MVC1 you can pick your two best characters (ie. 2 top tier characters) and then a god tier assist (so everyone picks Colossus) and that's your "team". Wow the theory crafting.
shaowebb
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What if they went with 2v2 but instead of one assist you got two? One from the partner you chose and one from an assist character like in old games? You could rock team synergy off the partner but you could gain the "any team can use any assist regardless of partner" aspect to loosen the shoehorning of pairings up somewhat. Then you could have your deep two assist strats but keep 2v2 stuff like not having damage so crazy that you die in one combo due to all the lifebars and limited time factor like in 3v3. It'd also alleviate the need to learn 3 guys instead of 2.
Just spitballing.
You make a great point BTW. Both 2v2 and 3v3 offer much, but 3v3 with the double assist factor creates a deep strategic factor that isn't as intensely present in 2v2.
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Really, 2v2 doesn't present many positives. The only one is that you don't have to learn as many characters to be competent at fighting.
OmegaSmash
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Aside from that "Malaysian animator" dude, is anyone else mentioning this bit?
Septimus Prime
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Hey, I used to see Psylocke every once in a while!
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I don't get it, why would you be upset about this? It's just as good 😐
I think 2v2 is fine (I explained in my last post) but I want the format myself to be
Choose 3 characters, 3 assists. Choose one to sit out. And then in between matches you can swap out who the assist is. Since marvel is usually 3/5 if the matchup doesn't work so hot you can adapt.
Also gives an almost 'side deck' feel to the team.
And often times (not always, and not so much mvc3) the anchor is an assist machine. Not the best character or fits on many teams but an amazing assist.
I still feel 2v2 +1 is actually a good way to fix a lot of problems.
Edit: also assist should be killable so calling bad assists can still be punished. And double snap would yield similar results as a double snap in mvc2
I am not really upset by it especially since it's not even confirmed.
I will just be disappointed if it's just a bog 2v2 system. To me it would feel like a step back. It's like going from DMC3 on the fly weapon switch to having to go to a menu to switch weapons again. Ok not as drastic but still, you get an idea.
Shaowebb brings up some points that can spice up 2v2 and that's possible but it's even more speculative. If they can incorporate H&H into 2v2 then we might have something here.
shaowebb
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Lock out? Like personas or stands breaking in Jojo or P4A?
Well it'd definitely mitigate potential of a match turning into spamming a single assist setup repeatedly to a degree. Personally I'd just go for longer assist cooldowns if that was the reasoning though.
Still like the idea of 2 assist 2v2 with one being an assist character and the other your partner, but by combining lockout to the assist character as a mechanic it allows for the all important aspect of "bad assist calling should have consequences". The partner assist obviously gets your partner hurt if you call him stupidly and get him punished but an assist character? Wheres the risk on that for a bad summon? Your lockout idea could make that structure work honestly. Then you could go 2v2, one assist based on team synergy and one that any team could grab so as to not shoehorn pairings but who could be locked out if summoned stupidly and punished.
This would also lessen the issues with damage needing to be high to prevent timeouts from occurring before a team could be wiped. In Marvel 3 I feel strongly that damage was so high and that Xfactor was so powerful just to alleviate the issue that you had to kill off 3 lifebars before the clock ran out. Damage was high to offset this and the comeback tool was a major damage pusher to speed up kills in the final parts of the match just to prevent the design problem of rampant time outs. Only time I've seen 2v2 screw up timeouts was by going the opposite direction and making combos and damage too small with timer not stopping during cinematics early on in SFxTekken.
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What if it's 4v4
And it's F2P
And it's a MOBA
And it's F2P
And it's a MOBA
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Well we have history to look at. Competively speaking the 3v3 VS games have done better.
2v2 isn't bad by any means, it's just that there are other 2v2 games out there that are more grounded and have longer cool down on assists and bursts. Those games exist for people who want to play that but let the people who want the crazy stuff have at it.
You've gone too far this time
Might as well have them playable if they have a lifebar.
2v2 is gonna feel as a downgrade
3v3 is clearly superior but maybe Capcom -and Disney if there's someone there who understands the fighting games- wants something more approachable to the common players
me thinks if they do 2v2 they will go with assists being their own pool of characters so they can bring in tons of cameos
or maybe it will be like KOF...I want to say 2000? where you could select your Striker from the existing characters, or press a button and transform it into a character you could not select normally
either way it could be 2v2 + striker, and the character you are not controlling still can be an assist, so you still have effectively two assists
kind of a compromise between 2v2 and 3v3
3v3 is clearly superior but maybe Capcom -and Disney if there's someone there who understands the fighting games- wants something more approachable to the common players
me thinks if they do 2v2 they will go with assists being their own pool of characters so they can bring in tons of cameos
or maybe it will be like KOF...I want to say 2000? where you could select your Striker from the existing characters, or press a button and transform it into a character you could not select normally
either way it could be 2v2 + striker, and the character you are not controlling still can be an assist, so you still have effectively two assists
kind of a compromise between 2v2 and 3v3
Blackage
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Baroque sounds like a thoughtful comeback mechanic that has a respectable skill mechanic to it that is fair and risks red life in a nice and fair way.
That said, gimmie dat X-factor!
Doctrine Dark
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Between the X-Men, the 2v2, and the game in general, this weekend can't come fast enough. I'm too excited.
I doubt Baroque or X-Factor will return. It's a new game, so it shouldn't recycle any of that.
I doubt Baroque or X-Factor will return. It's a new game, so it shouldn't recycle any of that.
I Def agree. My main point is that the words '2v2' sounds way worse than any affect it will actually have on game play and speed.
Mvc2 was 2.5 vs 2.5 which is kind of what this game is rumored to be. (2v2+1a)
Edit: I like baroque, but feel that extra mechanics like that should be limited like burst in GG.
1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1. Battle Royale ultimate multi-player madness. (basically smash).
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well the last 2v2 Capcom's VS dev team was Tastunoko vs Capcom
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shaowebb
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Heh. Now I'm just imagining 2v2 with:
God just think of it...2 man teams so damage wouldn't have to be so damned touch of deathy to avoid timeouts and you could more easily master a team with one less dude. You still get more than one assist setup so you aren't super predictable, and your Assist character also gives you specific modifiers to your basic moveset, stats and comeback factor.
Total. Fucking. Sandbox.
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- One partner assist based on your team mate and one of his moves you select Skullgirls style
- One additional assist that is selectable no matter who I choose as a partner because they are an Assist character ,who if punished enough gets locked out and can no longer be used.
- The unversal assist character giving me Arcana tools that effect my base speed, health, and damage, but also give me a few specials, passive traits, a super and a different Xfactor perk depending on who I chose to offset weaknesses in movesets and teams.
God just think of it...2 man teams so damage wouldn't have to be so damned touch of deathy to avoid timeouts and you could more easily master a team with one less dude. You still get more than one assist setup so you aren't super predictable, and your Assist character also gives you specific modifiers to your basic moveset, stats and comeback factor.
Total. Fucking. Sandbox.
Sign me up.
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We must go beyond
Septimus Prime
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In fact, why not just do it like Skullgirls?
Waddle Dee
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No I wouldn't. I wouldn't mind seeing those characters getting a few minor changes that could help make them more accessible. Like, give Iron Man a proper cr.h and make his current cr.h a command move, like b.h? Or make it so Thor's normals all chain together.
Exactly what I was getting at lol.
Just make it 25v25. True Marvel vs Capcom. You have to defeat whole other squad 1 by 1.
Yeah I was thinking of how attacking the assist only character would make their cooldown longer if we're under the assumption that assists can be activated almost immediately again like in past installments. My assist only life bar idea probably goes overboard if a high reward mechanic like X-Factor doesn't come back when you're down to only one character with no assist.
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The obvious answer to me is that we already have Skullgirls but there aren't other series that are 3 on 3 in the way Marvel is
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I would love to getting into theorycrafting, and all that but I couldn't because there are so many varieties on what would happens with MVC4. I think we shouldn't reacts so prematurely yet since we've not seen the game in action yet.
I really hope we would see some kind of gameplay this weekend.
My wish for character roster is pretty much diversity, and hopefully newcomers would bring something new and uniqueness to the roster as well.
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Imagine how fucking nuts it'd be if you could use ANY character's move as an assist? Like, imagine Viewtiful Joe's charged Voomerang as an assist! Or Chris' Magnum!
I can see them doing a ratio system and sort of incorporate with the infinity stones narrative. And it would also explain to casual players why you can either choose ,2,or 3 characters. If you choose one character you character becomes stroner with the the stones, same if you pick 2.
Yeah I agree for sure. With the loose rumors and constantly seeing '2v2, gross!' I just had to write up how that isn't really different than how Mvc2 was at least.
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