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[gngf123]

Yeah, he seems soft spoken. I guess he just likes to have fun in Twitter.

Isn't Phil Fish a cool guy in real life anyway? I know he was frank about the Japanese games comment but he seems to be cool.

The Giant Bomb guys seemed to like him. They described him as a nice guy who would just happily talk about all sorts of crazy stuff like String Theory.

As for the wedding, those guessing it might have been Phil's might be right. That's not something that needs to be posted about though.

 

[Mononoke]

I don't think it really does. It just means she's just an awful person (if true) just like everyone else involved in this whole thing. The whole screwing over Game Jam thing is pretty big if true though, that's the one thing that might be important. At most she looses all credibility, as do others who've been involved, but otherwise it really has no effect. Feel bad for Wozniak though, I mean, I don't see why'd he lie about it

Ah yeah, the Game Jam stuff...hmm

 

[DSN2K]

one thing I do find amusing is the comments from Developers and Press about how the gaming community has been shown up to be immature. Do any of these people not follow professional sports or the Music/Media industry ? mud,shit & hacks happen almost every day. If anything it shows Gaming has reached those levels.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

I really feel bad for Quinn (sexual harassment allegations aside) and the rest of Polytron, but I'm having a hard time digging up an sympathy for Fish.

Again, no one is saying Fish is an angel, but no one deserves what happened to him. It's beyond disgusting.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

it seems like the rabbit hole has no end. my sympathies to phil fish, even if all I read from him was twitter rant. he probably didnt deserve such a harsh attack... and more people were affected by this.

about zoe, well... i dont like how she handled things in the past, but everything that happened these days... it's disproportionate to say the least

Look, the way I see it, there's nothing preventing you from having a low opinion of Zoe, her ex, or Phil (and I certainly do) while at the same time being horrified at the gaming community's reaction to a non-story and the illegal actions taken against Polytron. There's no cognitive dissonance there.

This is such an effed up situation that even Kotaku seems afraid to write about it for fear of getting hacked.

 

[Corto]

The Giant Bomb guys seemed to like him. They described him as a nice guy who would just happily talk about all sorts of crazy stuff like String Theory.

As for the wedding, those guessing it might have been Phil's might be right. That's not something that needs to be posted about though.

I hesitated before I posted because that could be ammo to the fucktards but that info is already out. And it explains the outburst towards Wozniak. I would jump on him too.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

one thing I do find amusing is the comments from Developers and Press about how the gaming community has been shown up to be immature. Do any of these people not follow professional sports or the Music/Media industry ? mud,shit & hacks happen almost every day. If anything it shows Gaming has reached those levels.

This bothers me too. They use this as a brush to say, "See! You're all a bunch of assholes, GAWD! I knew I was right whenever I've been criticised!"

A perfect example right now is Arthur Gies on Twitter.

We're not all massive assholes because a very small, very loud group of immature assholes decide to fuck it up for everyone else.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Look, the way I see it, there's nothing preventing you from having a low opinion of Zoe, her ex, or Phil (and I certainly do) while at the same time being horrified at the gaming community's reaction to a non-story and the illegal actions taken against Polytron. There's no cognitive dissonance there.

This is such an effed up situation that even Kotaku seems afraid to write about it for fear of getting hacked.

I'm pretty sure Jason said that they haven't published a piece because they haven't been able to contact the relevant parties.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

People did the exact same thing to excuse/justify/pardon the vitriol aimed at Fish during the Marcus Beer incident. I find it fascinating that people are so quickly taking Fish's side in this situation.

There's a nuance here which you appear to be missing, though. Fish didn't turn around and hack Marcus Beer for talking shit, he talked shit back. If someone mouths off and gets verbally abused, that's one thing. That's just dicks being dicks to other dicks. If they opened fire with an uzi, killing and wounding people around the person who mouthed off, that's a different beast.

 

[Dragonborn]

one thing I do find amusing is the comments from Developers and Press about how the gaming community has been shown up to be immature. Do any of these people not follow professional sports or the Music/Media industry ? mud,shit & hacks happen almost every day. If anything it shows Gaming has reached those levels.

You know, I think the reason for that is that the gaming community is in general so much smaller. You know, like everyone's connected a lot more closely. The press, the devs, and the gaming audience so it makes it seem much more personal sometimes.

 

[blitzcloud]

I hesitated before I posted because that could be ammo to the fucktards but that info is already out. And it explains the outburst towards Wozniak. I would jump on him too.

what info? he was really not invited to phil's wedding or he made the whole thing up?

 

[Corpekata]

I don't really get the need to constantly say "not all gamers" about this week. It's not everyone sure, but it is not a small group either. Virtually EVERY forum for talking about games has had to massively moderate and censor the topic because the way people were acting was vile. This isn't a small subsection of the community. Maybe compared to the masses when you included your Words with Friends playing granny, sure, but it's a pretty big problem with the "core." At least online.

 

[Rock Hardy]

No one deserves to be hacked, but there seems to be a clear lack of discretion involved here. There's something to be said about public conduct of an executive. You are in a public position, representing your company and its employees. You're audience is also technically inclined by nature. Fish was antagonizing people he himself stated were of low moral standing. That's not really smart. Likewise, the amount of data stolen suggests a lack of effective security protocols too. That's also not fitting of the head of a software technology company.

That said, doxxing is plain wrong. I do find it quote hypocritical of some though. This forum has celebrated the hacking of others deemed vile to the masses before, but this is somehow bad? No. Doxxing is bad, period. I don't care if you're a hacker, you don't deserve to get doxxed. We have legal systems to handle bad behavior, not vigilantes. In essence, we, as a community, have fostered and sheltered these bad elements because we've either shown support or indifference to similar acts in the past. We're part of the problem.

 

[pantsonhead]

Again, no one is saying Fish is an angel, but no one deserves what happened to him. It's beyond disgusting.

And I never said he, or anyone else, deserved it.

 

[Sai-kun]

It's absolutely fantastic to see this shit show still alive and running stronger than ever.

Reading what the cesspool of the gaming community at aforementioned sites has to say gave me a good chuckle though.

Kind regards,
Junior NeoFagger

Nice language!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I don't really get the need to constantly say "not all gamers" about this week. It's not everyone sure, but it is not a small group either. Virtually EVERY forum for talking about games has had to massively moderate and censor the topic because the way people were acting was vile. This isn't a small subsection of the community. Maybe compared to the masses when you included your Words with Friends playing granny, sure, but it's a pretty big problem with the "core." At least online.

All this shows me is that people posting on anonymous forums are generally shitty. Hell, people on the Internet are generally shitty.

 

[Corto]

what info? he was really not invited to phil's wedding or he made the whole thing up?

i hesitated to hint that it was Phil's wedding in the first place. His spouse can be targeted by the same people that attacked him and Polytron if that info is known in this current clusterfuck. But I went ahead and posted because the tweets that made me reach that idea are out there and it just natural to imply that it was Phil's wedding by that exchange of tweets.

 

[Riposte]

I don't really get the need to constantly say "not all gamers" about this week. It's not everyone sure, but it is not a small group either. Virtually EVERY forum for talking about games has had to massively moderate and censor the topic because the way people were acting was vile. This isn't a small subsection of the community. Maybe compared to the masses when you included your Words with Friends playing granny, sure, but it's a pretty big problem with the "core." At least online.

By pretty much any measure, the people involved in this incident are a very vocal minority and most people are simply observers. That depends on what you mean by problem though; I'm taking it to mean the deliberate targeting of Quinn and Fish assisted with hacking.

EDIT: I feel six months from this now this incident will feel a lot smaller and less dangerous than it does now for a lot of people. If "anonymous" was this dangerous, we'd know inside and outs of any computer Anita Sarkeesian has ever touched, perhaps we'd know the personal texts of various CEOs at unpopular companies like EA. The other big dox that happened this week wasn't a "4chan raid" (to whatever extent Fish's was), it was a bitter ex. We may never know, but I suspect this is a case of a huge amount of attention put on someone at a certain moment and a slip up in security.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Nice language!

They're parodying a nickname we apparently have on certain sites, I don't think they deserve to be judged for that. It's done in good humour

 

[Son of Cervantes]

I'm denying it. He seems like a fun guy. No one deserves this bystander aggression. I think we'd win a lot if people stopped making "Phil is a dick, but..."-posts.

People are entitled to their opinions and I think many would disagree with yours. Doesn't mean I think you shouldn't be allowed to express it.

I didn't say he was a dick, btw. I said he was an a-hole (a raging one, I might add.)

 

[Gattsu25]

They're parodying a nickname we apparently have on certain sites, I don't think they deserve to be judged for that. It's done in good humour

What's done in good humour?

 

[Deitus]

What's done in good humour?

Methamatics101 referred to himself as a "NeoFagger" in parody of how some on 4chan and Reddit refer to people on GAF as such. It was a way of "owning it" so to speak.

 

[Sai-kun]

They're parodying a nickname we apparently have on certain sites, I don't think they deserve to be judged for that. It's done in good humour

That's not a word you can use in good humor in public, IMHO.

Edit: though I haven't kept up with the past two pages so let me not jump the gun

 

[JackDT]

What's done in good humour?

Other places on the internet that believe NeoGAF has been indoctrinated by the SJWs refer to people here as, "NeoFAGs", he's making a joke of it by calling himself that.

 

[RawNuts]

I haven't read through all of this thread, but have we given much thought to this hacking being staged?
This person seems to have a pretty good analysis of it.
I wouldn't put it past Fish to do that just to stir shit up and play the victim.

If this has already been addressed, then I apologize for bringing it up.

 

[JackDT]

Not much thought. Just posted here, I dunno, hundreds of times in the last few hours? Sigh.

tl;dr even the very first line, "Polytron is hosted by Cloudfare" isn't accurate.

 

[Kater]

I haven't read through all of this thread, but have we given much thought to this hacking being staged?
This person seems to have a pretty good analysis of it.
I wouldn't put it past Fish to do that just to stir shit up and play the victim.

If this has already been addressed, then I apologize for bringing it up.

It has been discussed a lot. We haven't come to a conclusion yet (I think?) though, since we are still waiting for new news about it from the authorities who are investigating the case. It's highly unlikely though and a very questionable theory.

 

[RawNuts]

It has been discussed a lot. We haven't come to a conclusion yet (I think?) though, since we are still waiting for new news about it from the authorities who are investigating the case. It's highly unlikely though and a very questionable theory.

Oh okay; have we all read through his follow up posting as well I guess?

What a clusterfuck this whole Quinn situation has become; it's hard to keep up with it all.

Not much thought. Just posted here, I dunno, hundreds of times in the last few hours? Sigh.

Sorry to be one of those kind of people, haha. I usually spend time reading through shit but this thread is huge and I just got home.

 

[Shinta]

I haven't read through all of this thread, but have we given much thought to this hacking being staged?
This person seems to have a pretty good analysis of it.
I wouldn't put it past Fish to do that just to stir shit up and play the victim.

If this has already been addressed, then I apologize for bringing it up.

I wouldn't put it past him either. I'm definitely open to more well researched proof that it's a possibility.

I'm honestly not tech savvy enough to know about the details of hackings, but I saw someone say that the zip file was created 4 hours before the hacking occurred as well. No idea if any of this is true.

There's really not much reason to dismiss it outright though. It doesn't hurt anything to check and see if there's some proof.

 

[Deitus]

I haven't read through all of this thread, but have we given much thought to this hacking being staged?
This person seems to have a pretty good analysis of it.
I wouldn't put it past Fish to do that just to stir shit up and play the victim.

If this has already been addressed, then I apologize for bringing it up.

It has been addressed repeatedly.

The idea that Phil would post his own, and his coworkers personal financial information and social security numbers in order to frame 4chan is absolutely insane. Why would he commit financial suicide, just to make 4chan look like the bad guy?

 

[KojiKnight]

I want to believe he was hacked... but Phil Fish has been involved in a few too many publicity stunts for me to take all of this at face value...

 

[hodayathink]

The whole screwing over Game Jam thing is pretty big if true though, that's the one thing that might be important. At most she looses all credibility, as do others who've been involved, but otherwise it really has no effect. Feel bad for Wozniak though, I mean, I don't see why'd he lie about it

The game jam thing is over-exaggerated, though. From everything I've seen, all she did was tell the game jam people that their definition of what makes a female was something she didn't agree with (they basically defined it as a natural born female or anyone who has transitioned with surgery, not including those who self-identify as female but haven't transitioned). Then, after (I believe) some arguing and them changing their policy, no one was willing to publicize their game jam, and they proceeded to blame Zoe and her "industry connections" for it.

That's the problem with all of the accusations, they either can't be proven at all, or are over-exaggerated retellings of what actually occurred.

 

[Sylas]

This bothers me too. They use this as a brush to say, "See! You're all a bunch of assholes, GAWD! I knew I was right whenever I've been criticised!"

A perfect example right now is Arthur Gies on Twitter.

We're not all massive assholes because a very small, very loud group of immature assholes decide to fuck it up for everyone else.

So prove them wrong. Prove everyone wrong that's claiming the games industry as a whole is a pile of garbage. Go to Twitter, tumblr, email someone. Say something nice. Say something positive. Don't post on a forum about how unfair it is. We know not all of us are manchildren.

Seriously. It takes 5 minutes and it could make a huge difference to someone. Reach out and just... Be kind. If the minority is being loud and communicating the wrong message, the majority should step up and be louder.

 

[Shinta]

Why would he commit financial suicide, just to make 4chan look like the bad guy?

Well, if you want to talk motive, the guy posted repeatedly about wanting to put all "gamers" in a building and then burn it down.

I'm not claiming it's true, or that it's even the most likely theory. But there's not really any good reason to not take a look at it as long as you look for credible evidence and don't jump to conclusions.

 

[Dugna]

IGN saying he's selling Polytron. I know it's IGN but is any of this true?

 

[RawNuts]

I want to believe he was hacked... but Phil Fish has been involved in a few too many publicity stunts for me to take all of this at face value...

Same; if it was anyone else, it would be easy for me to believe, but Fish is still an enigma to me.

The idea that Phil would post his own, and his coworkers personal financial information and social security numbers in order to frame 4chan is absolutely insane. Why would he commit financial suicide, just to make 4chan look like the bad guy?

I haven't seen what was in the file. That would be pretty insane though.

 

[unbias]

It has been addressed repeatedly.

The idea that Phil would post his own, and his coworkers personal financial information and social security numbers in order to frame 4chan is absolutely insane. Why would he commit financial suicide, just to make 4chan look like the bad guy?

The leaked files contained financial reports and the source files to FEZ promotional materials, I thought the rest was misinformation? I'm not trying to argue he did it himself, but the SS stuff I don't think is true.

 

[iNvid02]

It has been addressed repeatedly.

The idea that Phil would post his own, and his coworkers personal financial information and social security numbers in order to frame 4chan is absolutely insane. Why would he commit financial suicide, just to make 4chan look like the bad guy?

the theory floating about is that

1. he knows deep down he is a one hit wonder and got tired of all the shit given to him
2. he staged the hack to get the limelight and show off the ip's earning potential
3. he will sell the ip for a "reasonable" offer and run off into the sunset with the money laying all blame and gaining revenge on 4chan whilst leaving in his wake the flaming corpse of gaymz jurnylizm

 

[gngf123]

IGN saying he's selling Polytron. I know it's IGN but is any of this true?

It isn't known yet, but this is what Phil said he was doing.

He might decide otherwise in the end, but wouldn't blame him if he went through with it.

 

[Corpekata]

By pretty much any measure, the people involved in this incident are a very vocal minority and most people are simply observers. That depends on what you mean by problem though; I'm taking it to mean the deliberate targeting of Quinn and Fish assisted with hacking.

EDIT: I feel six months from this now this incident will feel a lot smaller and less dangerous than it does now for a lot of people. If "anonymous" was this dangerous, we'd know inside and outs of any computer Anita Sarkeesian has ever touched, perhaps we'd know the personal texts of various CEOs at unpopular companies like EA. The other big dox that happened this week wasn't a "4chan raid" (to whatever extent Fish's was), it was a bitter ex. We may never know, but I suspect this is a case of a huge amount of attention put on someone at a certain moment and a slip up in security.

I'm not talking about the hacking specifically. Just the general week's events. People are saying they can't understand why Dev X or Writer Y is like "Man, gamers suck sometimes." when I feel like I can understand that pretty well right now. The overall discussion of the week has been a nasty cacophany. Even still you can find posts on places like reddit that are just mind boggling with thousands of upvotes. So yes, the hackers are a small part, but the people that share their ideas are not.

 

[Shinta]

IGN saying he's selling Polytron. I know it's IGN but is any of this true?

IGN made a story out of his tweets, and probably weren't able to contact him to confirm either. It is true that Fish said this. It's not known if he was serious, and I doubt IGN has additional information about it.

 

[SlowRevolution]

one thing I do find amusing is the comments from Developers and Press about how the gaming community has been shown up to be immature. Do any of these people not follow professional sports or the Music/Media industry ? mud,shit & hacks happen almost every day. If anything it shows Gaming has reached those levels.

yeah, it's been really shitty to see this so much, and it does absolutely nothing to ease the huge amount of tension that exists between press/developers and people who just play games. it's way down on the list of gross things that have been said/done, but I've noticed it a ton.

 

[Minion101]

So how much has Fez grossed.

 

[TheTylerRob]

Wait, he's going to sell the rights to Fez? Isn't that pretty worthless without him?

 

[jim-jam bongs]

What's done in good humour?

That's not a word you can use in good humor in public, IMHO.

Edit: though I haven't kept up with the past two pages so let me not jump the gun

Don't get me wrong, I think "faggot" and "fag" are shitty slurs; unless referring to bundles of sticks or cigarettes, respectively. I just think that Methamatics101 was making an ironic joke about the fact that sadsacks on 4chan and Reddit use the term Neofags as a derisive name for GAF members, not intending to offend or be a prick in general.

Methamatics101 referred to himself as a "NeoFagger" in parody of how some on 4chan and Reddit refer to people on GAF as such. It was a way of "owning it" so to speak.

Yah.

 

[petethepanda]

It's stunning that anyone would believe he did this to himself. Do people just not understand the weight of the information that was posted and the huge repercussions it could potentially have?

 

[Darkangel]

I haven't read through all of this thread, but have we given much thought to this hacking being staged?
This person seems to have a pretty good analysis of it.
I wouldn't put it past Fish to do that just to stir shit up and play the victim.

If this has already been addressed, then I apologize for bringing it up.

I read a detailed analysis showing that the "dox files" were originally zipped on a FAT32 filesystem about 5 hours before the attack. Pretty much no one uses FAT32 for their main storage or operating system, let alone a server. This means that the files likely originated from a USB flashdrive, meaning someone probably had local access to the files.

From what I've gathered it seems like the attack was either done by Phil himself (keep in mind this is the same guy who "canceled" his game due to twitter), or some kind of disgruntled Polytron employee. I also find it strange how Phil's personal twitter wasn't hacked alongside the Polytron account. Is the leaked info actually legit? I haven't looked at it myself but it could just be made up.

Who knows...

 

[soultron]

the theory floating about is that

1. he knows deep down he is a one hit wonder and got tired of all the shit given to him
2. he staged the hack to get the limelight and show off the ip's earning potential
3. he will sell the ip for a "reasonable" offer and run off into the sunset with the money laying all blame and gaining revenge on 4chan whilst leaving in his wake the flaming corpse of gaymz jurnylizm

FEZ is not his alone nor did he develop it alone. These theories are nonsense.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I haven't read through all of this thread, but have we given much thought to this hacking being staged?
This person seems to have a pretty good analysis of it.
I wouldn't put it past Fish to do that just to stir shit up and play the victim.

If this has already been addressed, then I apologize for bringing it up.

The same bullshit masquerading as evidence we've seen like fifty times since this happened.

 

[Phreaker]

This thread moves so fast so I don't know if it has been linked to yet, but over at KnowYourMeme (found it while Googling to try to figure out what the heck this is all about) there's kind of a summary of everything. For someone who had no idea what any of this was/is about, I guess it's a good way to sort of bring yourself up to speed:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy

Ahhh, thanks! That was really helpful. OMG this shit is crazy. At a minimum someone WITH integrity needs to get to the bottom of it.