There's no evidence at all. Full stop. Strong or weak. Hinting at it or full on saying it just makes you seem like a fool.
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Polytron Hacked?
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There's no evidence at all. Full stop. Strong or weak. Hinting at it or full on saying it just makes you seem like a fool.
Thank you for my first laugh of the day.
R_thanatos
Member
I'll explain myself just for this:
No system is infaillible.
However, the way it's currently implemented , i'd worry about more databases than this website if it could be hacked so easily with this system.
Big corporations get hacked, nothing is trully secure But soooo many websites use this system of verification (or less than that ) currently.
Just this clarification.
John Rabbit
Banned
so Jason's original phrase "gaming websites" really just meant "Kotaku" to you, got it.
and less be honest, equating the concept of "game developers' sex lives" to "rape allegations" is like calling domestic abuse a "disagreement".
First, Phil is/was one is personal account. He wasn't representing the company.
Second, even if he was. He isn't a big corporation and he is the boss of his so it isn't like he can be fired.
Still, I can agree with you that he should've had some tact in what he said at times but what he said nowhere justifies the reaction it got back and, from a certain point, he was just reacting to the hate. And when I say he should be more tactful I say it for his own good since people would overreact anyway.
GhostTrick
Banned
While I partially agree with you, let's be honest, he was the kind of guy to insult others. Of course, this doesn't mean he deserved to be hacked. Heck no one deserve that (unless they've done disgusting crimes). But it's not like Fish was the kind one.
As for this entire thing... I don't understand what happened, and I don't want either. Seems like a private thing that concern only the main protagonist. I don't care who had sex with, no one should care, it's about private life of certain people. If there is indeed a conflict of interest, it's up to the people involved.
Basically: None of our business.
Dragonborn
Member
He wasn't just sticking up for he. He and some others were also harassing a dude who said he was sexually harassed by Quinn.
There was the whole accusation that Zoey Quinn sexually harassed Wolf Wozniak at a wedding that got blocked off because of Phil Fish's response, not really sure if there's any truth to it, but no gaming media sites rushed to interview Wolf Wozniak on the issue as far as I know.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Bet at least one of those cretins is spanking it while they read this one too, smh
I agree that he has insulted people on Twitter but most of the ones I see thrown around here weren't uncalled for.
People like to quote the "look at my life and kill yourself" without mentioning that Marcus Beer insulted him first and also called him nasty shit on a big media website.
Phil Fish is blunt but he rarely attacks without being provoked. At least from what I've seen.
But yeah, I'm not saying he is an angel who never did nothing wrong.
GhostTrick
Banned
Then again, I totally agree, this certainly doesn't deserve what's happening right now.
You don't need to be browsing /v/ to do that!
so brave
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
...that's not our Ouren, is it?I believe this is what made people angry at him.
Hold the phone! I do remember now that he did make a snarky comment about japanese games or a japanese's devs game. Forgot which or where but you made me remember that so thanx!
Having said that, that shit does not warrant this type of mob mentality to attack an individual. He can have an opinion just like everyone. maybe he was rude then? But still not warranted.
Personal gaming blogs and tabloids are justified as gaming websites now apparently.
Glass Shark
Banned
He is a member here, yes.
Gormless Noodle
Member
And then he'll be...dawxxed.
I'll let myself out.
I'll let myself out.
TheHollowNight
Member
Woah Dawg all your posts just stealth disappeared. Mods cleaning up the silliness.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Edit: Nvm.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
XD well played.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Folks, we'd rather not encourage cross-forum pissing matches.
ab.aeterno
Member
Edit: Post disappeared, so, nevermind!
Wow, no idea if Wozniak was abused/harassed or not, but this is disgusting if true. Even if his accusations were not proven at this time, it's a strange reaction from Phil instead of them denying the actions (no one invited you to the wedding..da fuck kind of response is that to someone that says they were sexually harassed)...
Even more disturbing (if it's true), that someone has to backpedal and accept their abuse, for fear of getting ousted from their job/industry. I have no idea what is true or not true, but I kind of don't like the idea of in groups backing each other up regardless, if the offense is worth backing up or not. This kind of mentality can lead to some serious shit being looked the other way on. (Not saying that is the case here, because again I have no idea what is true or not true).
i think that other place agrees
Dragonborn
Member
There's too much conflicting info to figure out what's true and what isn't.
Thank you for trying. I don't even know where to begin with this story. There's so much insanity.
ComputerMKII
Banned
We need Lionel Mandrake
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Was there ever any more info about that besides that tweet? That seems like a crazy thing to just put out there then drop. Knowing him from his posts on GAF, that's not a guy to make up stuff like that.
Seraph_Nicholas
Member
It's so bizarre to see effective moderation intelligently guiding a discussion.
On topic... I don't know, that was a LOT of compromised info. My first thought was 'Who could access all this?' But I'm not a network security expert, and more knowledgeable folks then me seem unsurprised, so I suppose the most likely situation is the true one - 4chan being twats again.
Sympathy to polytron and Mr. Fish.
On topic... I don't know, that was a LOT of compromised info. My first thought was 'Who could access all this?' But I'm not a network security expert, and more knowledgeable folks then me seem unsurprised, so I suppose the most likely situation is the true one - 4chan being twats again.
Sympathy to polytron and Mr. Fish.
jim-jam bongs
Member
While I think a serious allegation like his deserves more attention than Phil's harsh and obnoxious dismissal, I can understand someone feeling like the timing of it was a little opportunistic. It fit in well with the general scent of smearing Quinn in any way possible which was wafting around, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was just pissed off on behalf of his friend.
That said, if she did behave in a way which was out of line I think Wozniak should absolutely pursue it.
Maybe so, but surely we can all agree that sexual abuse is no joke. So even if you think someone isn't telling the truth (or are unsure of it)...it's kind of scary to see someone write it off with a reply like "you weren't even wanted here". And then to have everyone else bully up on this person over said allegation.
Because what if his allegation was true? Then you essentially have a group protecting each other from really terrible actions. And a victim then has to cower and back pedal for fear of losing their job or career. That's not a healthy environment to work in. It kind of worries me that this kind of thing might exist in the Gaming industry.
I guess I just feel like, sexual abuse/harassment is such a serious subject, that if you don't know whether the allegation is true..then just don't reply. Certainly don't write it off (since you don't know if it's true or not). Unless you are going to defend yourself from it (like if you personally know it's not true), I don't see why Phil should have replied the way he did. I don't see why the community should have reacted the way it did. It's a serious allegation that deserves investigation before brazenly shooting it down and dismissing the person (let alone bully them).
What we know is financial statements and some Fez source code(promotional) material was released. Looks like dropbox was used. About the only thing we know about the hacker was he is a mac user. Really this thread is a more about what we dont know then what we know. Which of course is the only way a topic like this could blow up.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Like I said, if that's the same Ouren that posts here, I'd have no clue why he would make something like that up, after getting a good sense of the guy since he posts a lot here.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Right. I'm highlighting these posts from the last thread just because I don't feel like retreading the same ground. But just in case anyone thinks there's a double standard at play, I tried to articulate my reaction to the accusation of Quinn's sexual harrassment:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126270725&highlight=#post126270725
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126274334&highlight=#post126274334
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126276215&highlight=#post126276215
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126276956&highlight=#post126276956
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126277820&highlight=#post126277820
This is pretty much my entire stance on the situation. It just seems like hearsay on both sides, and at this point people are simply choosing sides based on who they're more pissed off at.
It may sound kind of insensitive but I really hope this whole thing blows over soon because it's getting increasingly hard for me to actually care about any of this shit.
Yeah I saw your posts on this, and you were more then fair about it. I agree if we don't know what she's being accused of, it's hard to react entirely to it. But I still find it disturbing that someone's allegations are outright dismissed with bullying, and that we see others sticking together to squash it. All while no one even denies it. Keep in mind, no one denies this, instead the focus is on "him not even being wanted there, or not being a friend". What does that have to do with anything.
That someone had to back down out of fear for their career..that to me is disturbing. I agree we don't know what she did. We don't even know if this guy is telling the truth. But it doesn't sit entirely well with me the way Phil (and presumably others) reacted towards someone making a very serious allegation. It at least to me, isn't a very healthy environment (especially for other victims, or future victims).
I also don't agree with those writing it off, simply because he's only coming forward now. Sometimes it takes others coming forward before someone gets the courage to speak out. It's why so many abused in the Catholic church only came forward after the fact. For all we know, he didn't want to come forward because he feared losing his job or ruining his career. He saw this story breaking, and figured he could finally come forward. I'm not saying this is 100% true, or why we should think what he's saying is true. I'm just saying, we don't know. And he shouldn't be dismissed or bullied if he is making these serious claims.
Dragonborn
Member
Essentially, this all began because Zoe Quinn's boyfriend outed her as a cheater, apparently she slept with 5 guys, some of them (or only one of them?) being members of the press. This blew up as people jumped to the conclusion that that she slept with them for positive press (which has since been proven false). On top of that there's accusations of her abusing the youtube DMCA system to take down negative videos as well as interfering in some way with a game jam in order to promote her own, with someone claiming they were doxxed by her (this is all, as of yet, unproven). On top of that, there's claims she faked the raid that happened to her in order to garner attention (again, unproven).
As for Phil Fish's role, he and others have been defending her since the beginning, but things escalated when he and some other dudes started harassing another guy who claimed he was sexually harassed by Zoe Quinn. Add to that what seems to be censoring since a 25,000 comment thread on got completely nuked (which even upset me, until I knew why) and people got really riled up. Some people claimed a mod over at the r/gaming subreddit was in contact with Quinn and accusations of them working together or him being "corrupted" started springing up (and they are still ongoing).
Essentially, a lot of heresay, a lot of accusations, a lot baseless crap being thrown by both sides that's making the gaming community (devs, press and gamers) all look like children slinging mud at each other. No one is the innocent victim in any of this, both sides seem pretty bad, though again, the whole Phil thing was just too much, even if he is a terrible person.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Given his language beforehand and the attacks on him it kinda sounds like he was intimidated.
I remember the posts. The main problem like you said is that he dropped it due to the bullying. But since he didn't go "this seemed like an isolated thing maybe I shouldn't dredge it up", but was essentially supressed/bullied by Phil Fish to the point where they pretty much ignored that it happened, I feel like Ouren's/Wolf Wozniak's claim should be investigated, since clearly they wanted to talk about it up until the bullying.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Oh god I go away for a few hours what the hell has happened?
Methamatics101
Member
It's absolutely fantastic to see this shit show still alive and running stronger than ever.
Reading what the cesspool of the gaming community at aforementioned sites has to say gave me a good chuckle though.
Kind regards,
Junior NeoFagger
Reading what the cesspool of the gaming community at aforementioned sites has to say gave me a good chuckle though.
Kind regards,
Junior NeoFagger
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