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Polytron Hacked?
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Dr_LucienSanchez
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But the thing is, you don't know the true story there, and none of us do. It's not even related at all to Polytron getting hacked or any of the other stuff that's emerged, yet it's something that keeps getting harped on in this thread.
You state that you're not saying that Fish deserves it, but that's actually what you're blatantly doing. And what dozens of other people in this thread are doing when they pull up tweets from Fish (and those statements are generally wildly out of context).
Of course the silence of sexual harassment is bad. But we really don't know anything here and to conclude anything from that one tweet from Fish is just a bit premature.
Irrelevant to the discussion. What would your first priority be if all your passwords were revealed?
Yeah no. I don't support doxxing regardless of how terrible a person is. But I also don't agree that people shouldn't be critical of a person who is doxxed just because they were doxxed. That's some pretty insane logic. And i do think Phil and certain members of this industry showed some disgusting behavior by bullying someone with a serious allegation. That we should not question these actions because they were doxxed is insane. That you can't think their behavior was terrible and also not support doxxing is insane.
That said I also think the thread is about the hacking of Polytron and has gone off topic. So that is why I edited my post. So I can see where you are coming from that people posting in a thread are passively justifying it. But that's not everyone's intention.
Well, sure but but reaction and action don't happen instantaneously. Is it known if they ever worked, at least early? People around me are telling me that they never did but I doubt it. I would like to back it up as it seems that the obvious action being taken doesn't seem enough evidence.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Apologies, I was referring more to the sexual harassment topic, which like you said in your original edit, is off-topic entirely to this thread. But then again, most of this thread is off-topic / insane.
He always came across as nice and intelligent in all the interviews I've seen him in. Shame that he couldn't handle himself in social media circles.
What stands out to me is the Giant Bomb GDC 2013 livestream where he was a guest. Even back then they were talking about feminism and how people online can be so shitty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_AtWhHb5s
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Besides general curiosity, what does it matter?
jim-jam bongs
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spindoctor
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This is a bizarre interpretation of this thread. Literally everyone who has said that he deserved it now owns the customer user tag 'Banned'.
They've probably been changed by now?
You dont need to apologize. You were right to call me out. As I said my post doesn't really work in the context of the threads intention. Plus the thread has gone all over the place. My post is the equivalent to someone being badly injured but then bringing up something bad about them. The criticism could be valid but bringing it up when someone had something bad happen to them seems in poor taste and not relevant to the story of them being injured. In this case it comes off as justifying what happened to him. I'm sure some were doing this.
This whole thing is just frustrating to me. I just feel bad for anyone that is a victim. At the same time, I do get how if this is a thread about doxxing, stating that you think Phil is terrible, doesn't really contribute to much. Even if you hate Phil, what does that have to do with anything in a thread about something bad happening to him? You either bring it up because you think it's justified, or you bring it up, because he's terrible? And you thought it should be brought up?
So I get where you and others are coming from. I guess I just kind of jumped in with the other stuff, because the thread was kind of wandering. But then I stepped back and realized that, while I do have some criticisms of his recent actions, I don't think it's appropriate for what this thread is talking about.
What more evidence is needed? Website and twitter accounts were accessed to. Those people are trying to sow doubt by questioning facts without significance.
Oh come on. This is fake moon landing conspiracy thinking.
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Yeah, there are so many more reasons why they wouldn't work than would work. Old password database, they changed them as soon as they noticed other Dropbox/Skype accounts being hacked, one person who got to it first changed it so the other thousands who saw it couldn't, ect.
Occam's Razor, people.
JonathanPower
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This is a very sad and bad thing that happened.
I really can't imagine why. I think he made a great game but everything else I've heard coming from him indicates very clearly that he is an asshole.
Note: What I say does not mean he deserved this. No one does. Well maybe criminals do
You know, it's amazing how gullible people on 4chan can be. They believe anonymous posts without any knowledge of a topic, which is basically the opposite of any actual scientific field's writings. Being anonymous means no culpability for posting bullshit and no way of judging your authority on a topic, and people take advantage of this all the time.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Your lens is pretty distorted if you think discussion of equality in games equals white male persecution.
Probably because he's just a person on Twitter who entertains once in a while and is someone you don't actually have to meet
MasterHoodie
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I don't really get the need for a "Wall of shame" when most of those posts were like "Oh well I mean it happened I guess ¯\_(ツ_/¯"
_/¯"But he is a person you have to hear about on the gaming forums and subreddits you visit. Not visiting twitter doesn't make these people just disappear.
Add this one.
No, you really don't. I don't like Phil Fish's twitter comments, but I never have to hear about or deal with him. I can just choose not to click on the thread like any normal person.
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He's passionate, loud, opinionated, abrasive and most of all, entertaining.I really can't imagine why. I think he made a great game but everything else I've heard coming from him indicates very clearly that he is an asshole.
Note: What I say does not mean he deserved this. No one does. Well maybe criminals do
Not anymore, though.
Because people don't derail conversations amirite. This thread would be a perfect example.
jim-jam bongs
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I don't really get the need for a "Wall of shame" when most of those posts were like "Oh well I mean it happened I guess ¯_(ツ
That's an interesting interpretation
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You'll live.
Uh this thread is about Polytron being hacked. Of course it's going to discuss him.
I'd like him to explain how "lots of shit being censored, what the fuck is going on" is wall of shame worthy. Stopped reading after that one.
Steve Youngblood
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I'm not sure I follow. The "on-point, derail-free" version of this thread is a conversation about something that happened to Phil Fish.
Gravy Boat
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Please don't generalise. Anon have done as much good as they have harm. Anonymous isn't one organised collective, anyone can be Anonymous.
Palette Swap
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Not sure a wall of shame is a great thing in a thread about bullying. Don't get me wrong, I very strongly disagree with these posts but it doesn't mean these posts should be hung over these posters forever. They've been called out for it, some were banned as a result, anything beyond that seems spiteful and unnecessary to me. I think we should be above that kind of petty shit TBH.
If you want to make a broader point about the kind of shit posts this has led to, get rid of the usernames. Though 15 posts out of 3000 doesn't mean much.
If you want to make a broader point about the kind of shit posts this has led to, get rid of the usernames. Though 15 posts out of 3000 doesn't mean much.
cm osi
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I don't really get the need for a "Wall of shame" when most of those posts were like "Oh well I mean it happened I guess ¯\_(ツ
you have to defend fish.
MasterHoodie
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I mean yeah they're being dicks about it and it sucks that something like this could happen to a person, but it's nothing but schadenfreude at this point.
It's very healthy for you and fish oil is scientifically proven to have a multitude of benefits.
jim-jam bongs
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Mods were deleting the leaked material, and links to it. That's hardly censorship.
I think those perma-banned juniors will live.
Woody Invincible
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So, I dive into a link about this. Then another, and another. Now I have 8 links open and reading material for the rest of the work day.
That said, I believe in Phil Fish. I can't help but like the guy. Love to grab a beer with him.
That said, I believe in Phil Fish. I can't help but like the guy. Love to grab a beer with him.
The games journalists that essentially said "hey look at Phil Fish get mad at individual tweets, so funny" are huge assholes that essentially guided people to troll tweet Phil Fish. He could be a stand up guy for all I know.
The thread is about Polytron and Phil Fish being hacked with public exposure of some critical financial, contractual and personal details. You don't have to defend Pihl Fish or Polytron but it's a bit distasteful to start your post "Yeah this sucks but the guy sort of deserve it" or even worse "Knowing the guy I could almost believe he did it himself to gather some attention and spotlight". This last one makes its authors seem like loonies.
The shaming in this thread is ridiculous. The reason I enjoy GAF is because it usually seems respectful compared to other forums I visit.
I discussed this subject (the topic, not the shaming thing) very briefly with my programmer, and he knows the programmer on Fez (Renaud) and his wife on Facebook. The manner in which this event has shaken both of them is quite disheartening; we discuss Phil a lot here (to be expected) but I feel like we may overlook the others that this has affected.
An important thing that I've taken from this event though is to not store sensitive data on your Dropbox.
I discussed this subject (the topic, not the shaming thing) very briefly with my programmer, and he knows the programmer on Fez (Renaud) and his wife on Facebook. The manner in which this event has shaken both of them is quite disheartening; we discuss Phil a lot here (to be expected) but I feel like we may overlook the others that this has affected.
An important thing that I've taken from this event though is to not store sensitive data on your Dropbox.
I'm surprised anyone would do so.
The cloud is much less secure and stable than a lot of other alternatives.
I typically work over long distances with people and throwing everything in the Dropbox tends to become a habit; this may ring true for some others as well, but it had me double-checking exactly what I had stored on there.
Glass Shark
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omg internet detective "John Smith" just blew the lid off this whole thing!!!!
Weltall Zero
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The weirdest thing of it all is that the hacking was apparently in retribution against virtually the single Phil Fish declaration ever that I actually agree with. Never change, Internet.
It could have been in response to him suppressing the alleged sexual harassment, but the hacking was wrong either way and affected more people than just Phil Fish even if people hate him irrationally that much.
eudaemonic
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Does anyone know if there is going to be an actual criminal investigation into this?
Without a doubt.
IcyRhythms
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He didn't deserve this(no one does it's only video games)but you can't talk to/about gamers and others in the industry the way Phil does and NOT expect something like this to happen.
OdysseusVA
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Unless...
Art Teitlebaum
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Well tbh, I don't. But the way he is attacked is disgusting to say the least. I can't believe that there are voices to defend the shit that's thrown at him.
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