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Then don't follow his Tweets.

I don't really know much about PF, and it's easy when you don't follow him.

This. It's sucked sometimes, but I've had to unfollow SO MANY people in the games journalism/development industry. People whose work I liked, but their twitters were hotbeds for social issues and political views that I found infuriating.

There's another on the chopping block for me. A person whose work I really admire. He's extremely intelligent and brings a more mature and sort of highbrow sense to the industry without being smug. After a few comments this past week I might unfollow him. It breaks my heart, but I want to be able to look at Twitter and not gnash my teeth. I've unfollowed many people, and a month or so later you don't even think about it. The peace is worth the price.
 
Then don't follow his Tweets.

I don't really know much about PF, and it's easy when you don't follow him.

Ya... I'll be honest, outside of some of the stuff Gaf has posted, I dont know anything he tweets. It's odd to complain about him on twitter yet continue to follow him and give him validity.
 
The people who released this info are really low, pathetic and miserable excuses for human beings

An opinion yes that's fine but most of the tweets he posts are either complaining, insulting, or just attention grabbing and people are sick of it.

Tweets like this for instance

I don't get why people who dislike the shit Phil says keep reading it and keep feel insulted as if it's a personal harassment. These people are actively seeking out things that offends them. What the fuck? They surely realize that the world isn't there to make them happy and that not everyone should be mad at Phil Fish because he said a thing and your feelings are hurt. Don't read the shit that offends your precious little soul or fucking deal with the fact that everywhere around you there are things to get upset by. There are more important things in society to get pissed off at than the things some guy who makes video games says on god damn twitter.
 
After complaining about some non-videogame social stuff on Twitter, Justin McElroy (this is like a year or so ago, maybe more) said something that stuck with me. After realizing that he maybe went too far he said something like "Sorry, guys, I was fat in Middle School and now I have an audience."

This is just a theory, but that's really what I see, here. Many of us were just losers tethered to our computers/telescopes/books/NES as kids. Many of the twenty-something-year-old game devs grew up at the same time as me, maybe with similar interests. We didn't have many friends. We got made fun of. We weren't cool.

Boom! Fame. Relative fame, at least. "Oh God people will PAY ATTENTION TO ME NOW!" they probably think. Soap boxes are stepped on, rants given, etc. They don't know what to do with attention. Our people don't know how to react to it with finesse. We never built those skills. Instead we built little robots out of K'nex or whatever.

They're still annoying. They're still jerks sometimes. But I can't help but think that maybe, in the shoes of indie game devs that routinely piss people off, I'd be just as awkward, scared, and confusing.

i think there's a lot of truth to this.
 
Because he invites it. It's offensive to me as a game developer because of how inane his behavior is.

I've always wondered, this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem - does Phil Fish attack other people because they're dicks to him, or do people attack Phil Fish because he's a dick to them?

I think how you answer this question says a lot about your view of Phil Fish.
 
I've always wondered, this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem - does Phil Fish attack other people because they're dicks to him, or do people attack Phil Fish because he's a dick to them?

I think how you answer this question says a lot about your view of Phil Fish.

i mean in the timeline of phil fish vs the internet the first major event that i know of is phil ripping on jp devs in a kind non-articulate way. a lot of people reacted poorly to that and phil handled it terribly.
 
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lol

Is this new? I thought he deleted his twitter?
 
Is this new? I thought he deleted his twitter?

That's from a few days ago.

Ya... I'll be honest, outside of some of the stuff Gaf has posted, I dont know anything he tweets. It's odd to complain about him on twitter yet continue to follow him and give him validity.

It's not all bad. He used to retweet some interesting indie dev stuff in between meltdowns. It's actually kinda false that he came back to twitter for the Zoe Quinn stuff, he was tweeting about ferguson a bunch before that stuff even went down. I feel bad for the guy.
 
I've always wondered, this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem - does Phil Fish attack other people because they're dicks to him, or do people attack Phil Fish because he's a dick to them?

I think how you answer this question says a lot about your view of Phil Fish.

Phil Fish began trolling and being trolled by the internet months or years before he got famous. Getting famous just made it worse.
 
I've always wondered, this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem - does Phil Fish attack other people because they're dicks to him, or do people attack Phil Fish because he's a dick to them?

I think how you answer this question says a lot about your view of Phil Fish.
Well, I'm just going to point out--doing any public-facing work in video games requires you to have tough skin. A lot of developers receive death threats, have stalkers, and undergo some pretty extreme circumstances. When these things happen, it's easy to be upset and want to quit--I've had to change my own address because of a previous incident. It doesn't discourage me though, and it certainly didn't make me lash back at players. Frankly, we set a lot of one-sided expectations on developers--and being a part of the public-facing side of things effectively *requires* that you accept those terms. Some of the scummiest people I've met in the industry still have the common sense to not pull their nonsense in public. That's why I fundamentally dislike people like Phil Fish; he's not just ill-mannered, but he's OK with perpetuating all the negative stereotypes he's known for. It's disgusting.
 
To anyone whose comment upon reading this news is something along the lines of "I don't agree with what happened to him but I'm not surprised, he's a douche," please take a moment or maybe the rest of your life to thoughtfully consider that you actually don't have anything to say at all. If you're afraid being hacked will garner so much sympathy for Phil Fish that the internet as a whole will no longer remember the time he told someone harassing him on Twitter to "choke on it," let me assure you that will never happen. If it's your genuine belief that he somehow invited this crime upon himself through his behavior, please provide a screencap of the tweet where he says "I want someone to hack me." If you can't find one, maybe sit down and have a think about why you want so badly for someone you don't actually know to be punished so cruelly for doing so little.
 
Take this with a big ass grain of salt but apparently someone from /pol/ doxxed Zoe and found out her real name is Chealsea Van Valkenburg, how deep does it go holy shit.

EDIT: Apparently not.

EDIT 2: A network link on a profile for Chelsea Van Valkenburg on torontomeetups leads to zoe quinns flickr. Honestly Chealsea Van Valkenburg sounds a lot more made up than Zoe Quinn does, and this could be a fake profile theoretically, but god damn this is one layered cake.
 
Well, I'm just going to point out--doing any public-facing work in video games requires you to have tough skin. A lot of developers receive death threats, have stalkers, and undergo some pretty extreme circumstances. When these things happen, it's easy to be upset and want to quit--I've had to change my own address because of a previous incident. It doesn't discourage me though, and it certainly didn't make me lash back at players. Frankly, we set a lot of one-sided expectations on developers--and being a part of the public-facing side of things effectively *requires* that you accept those terms. Some of the scummiest people I've met in the industry still have the common sense to not pull their nonsense in public. That's why I fundamentally dislike people like Phil Fish; he's not just ill-mannered, but he's OK with perpetuating all the negative stereotypes he's known for. It's disgusting.

I think it's absolute nonsense than anyone in any situation should be expected or required to agree to constant harrassment, stalking, and death threats just to make video games, and have far more respect for someone who refuses to put up with it than someone who is complicit. But that's just me!
 
I think it's absolute nonsense than anyone in any situation should be expected or required to agree to constant harrassment, stalking, and death threats just to make video games.

Without interjecting any personal feelings in this, you don't need to write a single word on social media to make a video game.
 
Without interjecting any personal feelings in this, you don't need to write a single word on social media to make a video game.

You shouldn't be expected to put up with constant threats and harassment if you choose to participate in social media, either. That's an absolutely absurd thing to say and be okay with.
 
Without interjecting any personal feelings in this, you don't need to write a single word on social media to make a video game.
Engaging with the public is key to selling product, particularly if you can't rely on Sony's ad budget.

Also, technically you don't need to be here to be a fan of videogames, but here you are. Humans are social. Don't make excuses for the chumps who put people in situations where they choose between those connections or harassment and possible ruin.
 
You shouldn't be expected to put up with constant threats and harassment if you choose to participate in social media, either. That's an absolutely absurd thing to say and be okay with.
You're kidding, right?
A huge part of any public relations management is knowing how to respond to harassment properly. Your other post is also confusing. Who "puts up with it"? The standard deal is to just not respond.
 
You shouldn't be expected to put up with constant threats and harassment if you choose to participate in social media, either. That's an absolutely absurd thing to say and be okay with.

Being famous and choosing to say things to a large audience comes with the expectation, especially if you say something obviously inflammatory, like Phil did on multiple occasions, that there is always going to be someone who is pissed off. Being able to deal with people that are pissed off at you is an expectation. I'm not advocating for abusing people online, but having the title "indie game dev" does not grant you immunity from free speech in a public forum.

You're kidding, right?
A huge part of any public relations management is knowing how to respond to harassment properly. Your other post is also confusing. Who "puts up with it"? The standard deal is to just not respond.

^

It sure helps if you want to promote it though.

Not if you can't handle your own PR.
 
I never quite understood all the vitriol he's garnered. Yea, he's a PR nightmare, but it's not like his opinions or actions are harming anyone that I know of. It's not hard to recognize that a lot of his most egregious statements are hyperbole, and he doesn't verbally attack anyone that didn't provoke him in the first place (not that he should retaliate at all, but he's only human).

He was the only one on my twitter feed with the appropriate level of rage for what was happening in Ferguson, and he fights for the social issues that any decent person would; I can't find any reason to condemn him as harshly as some people do when it's as easy as unfollowing him from twitter if you don't want to hear from him.
 
After complaining about some non-videogame social stuff on Twitter, Justin McElroy (this is like a year or so ago, maybe more) said something that stuck with me. After realizing that he maybe went too far he said something like "Sorry, guys, I was fat in Middle School and now I have an audience."

This is just a theory, but that's really what I see, here. Many of us were just losers tethered to our computers/telescopes/books/NES as kids. Many of the twenty-something-year-old game devs grew up at the same time as me, maybe with similar interests. We didn't have many friends. We got made fun of. We weren't cool.

Boom! Fame. Relative fame, at least. "Oh God people will PAY ATTENTION TO ME NOW!" they probably think. Soap boxes are stepped on, rants given, etc. They don't know what to do with attention. Our people don't know how to react to it with finesse. We never built those skills. Instead we built little robots out of K'nex or whatever.

They're still annoying. They're still jerks sometimes. But I can't help but think that maybe, in the shoes of indie game devs that routinely piss people off, I'd be just as awkward, scared, and confusing.

I reckon there's probably some truth to this. Probably also where a lot of this social justice stuff comes from as well - repressed anger and a sense of victimization left over from the past.

Looking at Phil Fish's tweets, its similar to the sort of thing you often see with a lot of people rallying on social media under the guise of social justice - self-indulgence, always playing the victim, entitled, super passive-aggressive etc etc.

Anyone who thinks these are qualities that will lead to the betterment of society needs a reality check.
 
I never quite understood all the vitriol he's garnered. Yea, he's a PR nightmare, but it's not like his opinions or actions are harming anyone that I know of. It's not hard to recognize that a lot of his most egregious statements are hyperbole, and he doesn't verbally attack anyone that didn't provoke him in the first place (not that he should retaliate at all, but he's only human).

He was the only one on my twitter feed with the appropriate level of rage for what was happening in Ferguson, and he fights for the social issues that any decent person would; I can't find any reason to condemn him as harshly as some people do when it's as easy as unfollowing him from twitter if you don't want to hear from him.

It's pretty simple: The level of harassment he was getting prior to shitstorm that begun this week is being exaggerated, he was receiving pretty much a normal amount of hate for being an asshole with a lot of fans on twitter. However, after he got hacked, no one in their right mind would say he deserved it, so it is now pretty much irrelevant how much of a dick he was before.
 
So...

Have people figured out that Phil cancelled Fez 2, TLG and HL3?
Or are they mad because he helped Zoe build vulvas equipped with death lasers?

/s
 
To anyone whose comment upon reading this news is something along the lines of "I don't agree with what happened to him but I'm not surprised, he's a douche," please take a moment or maybe the rest of your life to thoughtfully consider that you actually don't have anything to say at all. If you're afraid being hacked will garner so much sympathy for Phil Fish that the internet as a whole will no longer remember the time he told someone harassing him on Twitter to "choke on it," let me assure you that will never happen. If it's your genuine belief that he somehow invited this crime upon himself through his behavior, please provide a screencap of the tweet where he says "I want someone to hack me." If you can't find one, maybe sit down and have a think about why you want so badly for someone you don't actually know to be punished so cruelly for doing so little.
Hear fucking hear.
 
Holy shit...

I had no idea this even happened. Poor guy can't catch a break. It's bad enough to deal with heart breaking adversity and mental illness. This sort of stuff is next level, pure evil, totally disgusting, straight up torture. No one deserves this. Leave the man alone. God damn.
 
The people who released this info are really low, pathetic and miserable excuses for human beings



I don't get why people who dislike the shit Phil says keep reading it and keep feel insulted as if it's a personal harassment. These people are actively seeking out things that offends them. What the fuck? They surely realize that the world isn't there to make them happy and that not everyone should be mad at Phil Fish because he said a thing and your feelings are hurt. Don't read the shit that offends your precious little soul or fucking deal with the fact that everywhere around you there are things to get upset by. There are more important things in society to get pissed off at than the things some guy who makes video games says on god damn twitter.

To be fair, a lot of it often times pops up on GAF or other websites. It's not like you or anyone else have only read things they agree with; differing opinions are not avoidable. Your assumption that everyone who gets upset with Phil Fish is constantly seeking it out is wrong. I am not a fan of him and I have seen his tweets in GAF threads. It's not like I was seeking it out, it was just there. I don't believe I have ever actually read his twitter outside of a screencap or quotes.

I feel bad for Phil Fish, nobody deserves that for being vocal about their opinions. But just because he is a victim now doesn't mean that we need suddenly all pretend like he wasn't a controversial figure. Yes, he received a lot of hate on the internet, and probably got dozens of hateful messages a day. There are also hundreds of developers who also use twitter without generating as much controversy that he did. Anything he said that caused so much ire in people would have blown over in a couple of months if he didn't usually follow up with something as equally provoking. It is what he is known for besides developing Fez, to the point where it is even mentioned on his Wikipedia page.The twitter excerpts that I read didn't really read like a developer, but more like a message board user. To a degree I respect him for speaking his mind so openly (even if I usually don't agree with him), but that invited the response he was getting.

To argue that it would be irrational to get upset at something some dude says on twitter when there are other more important things going on is not a good argument. You cannot control your emotions like that. If someone reads what he says and gets angry, it's not like they can take back emotion. Not only that, but why is it suddenly only okay to get vocal about the big issues in society? We are entitled to squabble about whatever insignificant things we want to. Not to mention that it is a terrible argument to make when you yourself seem to be getting so riled up about a comment on the internet.
 
You shouldn't be expected to put up with constant threats and harassment if you choose to participate in social media, either. That's an absolutely absurd thing to say and be okay with.

This isn't kindergarden. There will always be people in life who hate you and wish you would just die. And you don't even always deserve it.
That's just something you have to accept, as an adult. You can't please everyone.
If you're a public figure, that doesn't really change that, it just amplifies it. More people know who you are, so more people have a chance to project their hatred onto you.
 
The logic that has invaded this thread is baffling. Who gives a fuck if Phil Fish is an obnoxious, hyperbolic, hypocritical asshole? Let's say he's all those things. Why does he "deserve" to have his personal information displayed for all the see? Basic empathy here people. Imagine if that was you. You KNOW it would be an awful thing to experience, so how can you go about excusing it saying "oh but he said his audience is garbage"?

I've just realised how ironic the term social justice warrior is when bandied about by people who condone this type of behaviour.
 
The logic that has invaded this thread is baffling. Who gives a fuck if Phil Fish is an obnoxious, hyperbolic, hypocritical asshole? Let's say he's all those things. Why does he "deserve" to have his personal information displayed for all the see? Basic empathy here people. Imagine if that was you. You KNOW it would be an awful thing to experience, so how can you go about excusing it saying "oh but he said his audience is garbage"?

I've just realised how ironic the term social justice warrior is when bandied about by people who condone this type of behaviour.
I've read a good bit of this thread. Has anyone actually said he deserves it? I've seen a lot of people say they understand why he was targeted, or that they don't feel bad for him.
 
I've read a good bit of this thread. Has anyone actually said he deserves it? I've seen a lot of people say they understand why he was targeted, or that they don't feel bad for him.

I wasn't thinking of any specific examples, no, though its entirely possible that more than a few people here may think that he does deserve it. I meant more the attitude that excuses what happened to him by looking at his Twitter behaviour and saying that he provoked it, as if his being hacked was an act of self-defence.
 
I've read a good bit of this thread. Has anyone actually said he deserves it? I've seen a lot of people say they understand why he was targeted, or that they don't feel bad for him.

Yes. Multiple times. Though at least one of them is no longer with us.
 
This. It's sucked sometimes, but I've had to unfollow SO MANY people in the games journalism/development industry. People whose work I liked, but their twitters were hotbeds for social issues and political views that I found infuriating.

There's another on the chopping block for me. A person whose work I really admire. He's extremely intelligent and brings a more mature and sort of highbrow sense to the industry without being smug. After a few comments this past week I might unfollow him. It breaks my heart, but I want to be able to look at Twitter and not gnash my teeth. I've unfollowed many people, and a month or so later you don't even think about it. The peace is worth the price.

I don't mind opinionated people in the games industry, a lot of them have opened my eyes to industry things I wasn't aware of and have shown me a different perspective. I do understand your point though. I decided to unfollow a developer because of a GAF misunderstanding.

I was a fan and follower of the developer, this is why I was genuinely upset and disappointed by the incident.

It puts a right downer on your day having a GAF comment, which they misunderstood, screen grabbed and tweeted to 20k+ people, reading replies from people you follow, and of course complete randoms who decide to be dicks about it directly.

So my twitter following and interaction after this decreased, A LOT. It's ironic because the original comment was made on this forum and not on twitter in reply to the developer. I edited my post to clarify what I meant and even PM'd the developer but since they maintain full disclosure a reply was made on twitter of course and not here.

After being told my original GAF quote could be taken as "threatening behaviour", that I was "weirdly revelling" in drama about the dev and in the end I was being "passive aggressive" I decided to unfollow and left it at that. I lost respect for the developer as a fan but I like their work.

I coined a term afterwards.

Love the body of work, not the body that worked on it.

So I will stick to that by following games and not the developers.
 
I can't believe some of you are still talking about him being rude on Twitter. Really? It offends you that much? You seriously must be perpetually offended, as I see far worse things every day...

Sure, he was a dick, but you know what? A lot of developpers are. The difference is that they usually have PR people to prevent them from posting things like that on the internet.

Blaming the victim because he was arrogant and insulting on Twitter is really extreme in my opinion... Stories like that really show the ugly side of the gaming community (because yes, it's far from being a few people. Posts saying he "deserved it" are all over the internet...)
 
How do we suffer as gamers. The Social Justice Warriors take game after game from us. I can find only one, the holy Strider, that was free from that poison that is social justice.

Hah, that blog post is ridiculous. The way she puts it, 99% of games released this year have been tainted by the spooky concept of social justice. Equality is destroying the games industry!

Glad to see that this thread is still mired in discussions over conspiracy theories and tweets from Phil Fish.
 
I've read a good bit of this thread. Has anyone actually said he deserves it? I've seen a lot of people say they understand why he was targeted, or that they don't feel bad for him.

Go through this thread and Ctrl+F "banned."
 
Because he invites it. It's offensive to me as a game developer because of how inane his behavior is.

Let me ask you a simple question. And if anyone else in this thread is a developer, feel free to chime in.

Since you got on Twitter, (assuming you did) did your life get better, or worse?
 
The logic that has invaded this thread is baffling. Who gives a fuck if Phil Fish is an obnoxious, hyperbolic, hypocritical asshole? Let's say he's all those things. Why does he "deserve" to have his personal information displayed for all the see? Basic empathy here people. Imagine if that was you. You KNOW it would be an awful thing to experience, so how can you go about excusing it saying "oh but he said his audience is garbage"?

I've just realised how ironic the term social justice warrior is when bandied about by people who condone this type of behaviour.

I can't believe some of you are still talking about him being rude on Twitter. Really? It offends you that much? You seriously must be perpetually offended, as I see far worse things every day...

Sure, he was a dick, but you know what? A lot of developpers are. The difference is that they usually have PR people to prevent them from posting things like that on the internet.

Blaming the victim because he was arrogant and insulting on Twitter is really extreme in my opinion... Stories like that really show the ugly side of the gaming community (because yes, it's far from being a few people. Posts saying he "deserved it" are all over the internet...)

To anyone whose comment upon reading this news is something along the lines of "I don't agree with what happened to him but I'm not surprised, he's a douche," please take a moment or maybe the rest of your life to thoughtfully consider that you actually don't have anything to say at all. If you're afraid being hacked will garner so much sympathy for Phil Fish that the internet as a whole will no longer remember the time he told someone harassing him on Twitter to "choke on it," let me assure you that will never happen. If it's your genuine belief that he somehow invited this crime upon himself through his behavior, please provide a screencap of the tweet where he says "I want someone to hack me." If you can't find one, maybe sit down and have a think about why you want so badly for someone you don't actually know to be punished so cruelly for doing so little.

This posts are golden. The lynching for Phil Fish is ridiculous in here. The man is entitled to handle any troll that comes at him sideways any way he wants to. People take his insults super personal as if he is talking directly to him. There is no rule book that says Phil fish has to abide by these stupid PR guidelines. Fuck that. If he wants to have his freedom of speech on his Twitter to call out trolls who have nothing better to do than hate a guy who's doing everything they are not, then they are the idiots. I'm not saying anyone else isn't entitled to their opinions about him, but the reservation of anger some of these haters have and saying he deserved to get hacked is simply pathetic. Phil Fish is as real as it gets in this industry. Ha
 
I can't believe people are actually entertaining the idea that Phil Fish would ruin himself for some silly attack on /v (or whatever) or to deflect attention from Zoe. You have to be some crazy conspiracy nut to even consider such a thing.

Also Phil Fish's Twitter interactions aren't even that bad. I don't like him but nothing he has said is any worse than what anyone else on forums says. There are things people here on NeoGAF have said to me that have hurt me more than anything Phil Fish has said (if he said them to me).
 
I don't get why people who dislike the shit Phil says keep reading it and keep feel insulted as if it's a personal harassment. These people are actively seeking out things that offends them.

Ironically enough, the very same people in defence of Quinn have said that what Wizardchan did (allegedly, mind you, there's a lot of evidence compounding that their actual community did nothing) counts as harrassment, even though one would have to go looking into those threads in the first place to even feel "offended".

Double standards everywhere.
 
I can't believe people are actually entertaining the idea that Phil Fish would ruin himself for some silly attack on /v (or whatever) or to deflect attention from Zoe. You have to be some crazy conspiracy nut to even consider such a thing.

Also Phil Fish's Twitter interactions aren't even that bad. I don't like him but nothing he has said is any worse than what anyone else on forums says. There are things people here on NeoGAF have said to me that have hurt me more than anything Phil Fish has said (if he said them to me).

Well..I just saw this on tumblr and on 4chan:
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Well..I just saw this on tumblr and on 4chan:
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Awh that's precious. Obviously game devs should start chatting with 4chan instead of us "dumb-as-shit" gaffers. And he used all caps to, that obviously makes what he said true rite gais? Yea we're dumb yet he doesn't know how to use a "-" properly. XD
 
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