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[thief183]

Who wants to watch porn, will do it regardless of this, the difference is that they will visit way less controlled sites.

 

[Rentahamster]

Masturbation is the enemy of the nation. - Abraham Lincoln

The timeline where the Confederate States of America were instead named the Masturbation States of America is a wild one.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Notice how nobody in favor of this seems to want to address the fact that this 'problem' already has a solution that's been working for decades.

They're using faux outrage as a trojan horse to instill their moral aggrandizing. First it's porn, then it's the next made up outrage, and on and on and on.

What solution are you talking about?

And naw, many of us think it's BS that porn sites have been getting away with distributing to millions of children for decades now.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

What solution are you talking about?

And naw, many of us think it's BS that porn sites have been getting away with distributing to millions of children for decades now.

Content filtering and blocking. It works in nearly every educational institution and workplace that employ it. This stuff was in place back when I was in school a million years ago. Still exists at every workplace I've been to.

If you don't want your kids having access to porn, then block it. The government shouldn't be raising your children on your behalf.

The timeline where the Confederate States of America were instead named the Masturbation States of America is a wild one.

Civil War 2 will be fought over BDSM slavery and states' masturbation rights.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Content filtering and blocking. It works in nearly every educational institution and workplace that employ it. This stuff was in place back when I was in school a million years ago. Still exists at every workplace I've been to.

If you don't want your kids having access to porn, then block it. The government shouldn't be raising your children on your behalf.


Civil War 2 will be fought over BDSM slavery and states' masturbation rights.

The responsibility is on the porn websites to keep kids away. If a bar was selling booze to kids we wouldn't say the blame falls on the parents. We'd expect the government to enforce the law.

Many parents are technologically clueless. Workplaces and such employ people to handle that shit. They also have less to monitor unlike a parent that'd have to worry about computers, phones, TVs, game consoles, tablets, and any other electronic with a screen that can connect to the internet. A kid can't walk into a sex shop and buy a porn dvd but they can easily buy a cheap tablet without their parents knowing and visit pornhub.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

The responsibility is on the porn websites to keep kids away.

No, it's the responsibility of the parent to determine what is and is not appropriate for their children. Some parents are okay with nudity (look at Europe) and others not. You and the government don't get to tell everyone what is and is not appropriate. I certainly do not want the government trying to litigate how I or others should raise kids.

Bars are a false equivalence and not at all even close to being exposed to naked people.

If parents can't take 5 minutes to watch a Youtube video on how to block certain things on their home network, maybe they shouldn't have kids. This argument could have held more weight back when the internet first came out, but nearly everyone of age to parent has had this technology in their life for the vast majority of it, if not the entirety of it.

 

[Rentahamster]

Civil War 2 will be fought over BDSM slavery and states' masturbation rights.

Civil War 2: Masturbation Booglaloo

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Man, think about it. A kid walks in on their parents banging. Now the parents have to go to jail or pay a fine because they didn't have someone at the door checking IDs.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

No, it's the responsibility of the parent to determine what is and is not appropriate for their children. Some parents are okay with nudity (look at Europe) and others not. You and the government don't get to tell everyone what is and is not appropriate. I certainly do not want the government trying to litigate how I or others should raise kids.

Bars are a false equivalence and not at all even close to being exposed to naked people.

If parents can't take 5 minutes to watch a Youtube video on how to block certain things on their home network, maybe they shouldn't have kids. This argument could have held more weight back when the internet first came out, but nearly everyone of age to parent has had this technology in their life for the vast majority of it, if not the entirety of it.

Maybe in your imaginary utopia but here parents can't just decide things like hardcore porn, alcohol, or weed are appropriate for their underage children. They government can and does tell parents those things aren't appropriate for their children.

It's not a false equivalence. Both are age-restricted even if you disagree whether they should be.

If a sex shop was selling hardcore porn and sex toys to a child, would you blame the parents or the sex shop?

And that argument holds even more weight now since in the early days of the internet you didn't have all these free pornhub clones and you only had 1 family computer to monitor. I don't recall N64 having a browser.

 

[Atrus]

Just like in Canada, people won’t realize that these laws won’t just impact sites that are porn related but also those that feature adult content like Reddit, Twitch etc. and enable internet sites to voluntarily set up gated authorizations to collect data regardless of whether they host adult content or not.

The end game is Government regulated and monitored internet to set your personal data loose to third parties as a commodity. Our Online Streaming act already put ALL broadcaster content under the purview of the CRTC who is empowered to ensure that you’re showing enough Canadian content to Canadians, because fuck a citizens right to choose what they consume.

Households with no children should never run afoul of these laws to “protect children”. That it does is a red flag that it is never about the children.

 

[Peggies]

The responsibility is on the porn websites to keep kids away.

No. Fuck No!

I'm tired of stupid people wanting everyone else to do their job as a parent. Just teach your kid a healthy approach to sex and porn.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Maybe in your imaginary utopia but here parents can't just decide things like hardcore porn, alcohol, or weed are appropriate for their underage children. They government can and does tell parents those things aren't appropriate for their children.

It's not a false equivalence. Both are age-restricted even if you disagree whether they should be.

If a sex shop was selling hardcore porn and sex toys to a child, would you blame the parents or the sex shop?

And that argument holds even more weight now since in the early days of the internet you didn't have all these free pornhub clones and you only had 1 family computer to monitor. I don't recall N64 having a browser.

I would 100% blame the parents. If I caught my kid drinking booze, I would not expect the government to hand out the consequences and deal with the situation. You're the parent, not their friend. It's the parents job and duty to mold and shape their kids into a responsible adult. If they catch the kid watching porn, they own whatever steps necessary to deal with the situation.

Porn is an entirely loose term that is subjective. Art, film, literature should not be moderated by a federal entity.

Again, it's not the governments job to raise children, it's the parents. Focus on raising the child instead of expecting someone else to do it for you.

Thankfully we have the Bill of Rights embedded into our constitution here so the point is entirely mute. If you don't like it, move to North Korea.

And again, booze and porn are nowhere near the same thing or have the same consequences for abuse.

 

[Peggies]

I would 100% blame the parents. If I caught my kid drinking booze, I would not expect the government to hand out the consequences and deal with the situation. You're the parent, not their friend. It's the parents job and duty to mold and shape their kids into a responsible adult. If they catch the kid watching porn, they own whatever steps necessary to deal with the situation.

Porn is an entirely loose term that is subjective. Art, film, literature should not be moderated by a federal entity.

Again, it's not the governments job to raise children, it's the parents. Focus on raising the child instead of expecting someone else to do it for you.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Maybe in your imaginary utopia but here parents can't just decide things like hardcore porn, alcohol, or weed are appropriate for their underage children. They government can and does tell parents those things aren't appropriate for their children.

Imaginary utopia? Many European countries only have a legal limit for purchasing alcohol and consuming it in public (which also varies per country, as low as 15 for Germany under parental supervision), but they have no limit for private use; the parent can completely decide to have their 14 y/o drink a small bit of wine during dinner.
Also "appropriate for their children", the US government doesn't even allow alcohol for tax paying, gun slinging, freedom voting adults lol.

 

[Toons]

Maybe in your imaginary utopia but here parents can't just decide things like hardcore porn, alcohol, or weed are appropriate for their underage children. They government can and does tell parents those things aren't appropriate for their children.

Holy cow legitimately arguing for government overreach like this is insanity.

The government does not OWN YOUR KIDS. They cannot decide if your kids are allowed to see boobs or not. Most people grew up with their parents themselves having a stash somewhere that a kid could sneak into.

Replace any of those above things with guns and imaging how many of you would be calling them tyrannical.

It's not a false equivalence. Both are age-restricted even if you disagree whether they should be.

If a sex shop was selling hardcore porn and sex toys to a child, would you blame the parents or the sex shop?

Its the parents fault for not monitoring. Kids have Chuck into r and x rated movies foe generations, no theater has ever been prosecuted or recieved blowback for this bit the parents sure can.

And that argument holds even more weight now since in the early days of the internet you didn't have all these free pornhub clones and you only had 1 family computer to monitor. I don't recall N64 having a browser.

Kids had access to computers in the library or at school and have for decades.

 

[DrFigs]

Well it does seem that this law won't do much if kids can still watch porn on sites like twitter, 4chan, and reddit w/out verifying their age.

 

[HoodWinked]

Seems like they've already started doing it in the EU.

Three of the biggest porn sites must verify ages to protect kids under Europe's new digital law

Pornhub, XVideos and Stripchat have now been classed as “very large online platforms” subject to more stringent controls under the Digital Services Act.

apnews.com

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Seems like they've already started doing it in the EU.

Three of the biggest porn sites must verify ages to protect kids under Europe's new digital law

Pornhub, XVideos and Stripchat have now been classed as “very large online platforms” subject to more stringent controls under the Digital Services Act.

apnews.com

What kid wouldn't just write down their parents ID info? As if kids don't already do this with credit card info so they can buy skins in Fortnite.

e: Also weird that they target specific companies. Seems like it gives an unfair advantage to competition.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

No. Fuck No!

I'm tired of stupid people wanting everyone else to do their job as a parent. Just teach your kid a healthy approach to sex and porn.

The responsibility is on the distribute of age-restricted goods in every other situation, including physical porn. Why should internet porn be any different? Unless you're fine with stores selling liquor, weed, hardcore porn, tobacco, etc to kids and if parents want to prevent it it's on them to stop their kids from buying.

I would 100% blame the parents. If I caught my kid drinking booze, I would not expect the government to hand out the consequences and deal with the situation. You're the parent, not their friend. It's the parents job and duty to mold and shape their kids into a responsible adult. If they catch the kid watching porn, they own whatever steps necessary to deal with the situation.

Porn is an entirely loose term that is subjective. Art, film, literature should not be moderated by a federal entity.

Again, it's not the governments job to raise children, it's the parents. Focus on raising the child instead of expecting someone else to do it for you.

Thankfully we have the Bill of Rights embedded into our constitution here so the point is entirely mute. If you don't like it, move to North Korea.

And again, booze and porn are nowhere near the same thing or have the same consequences for abuse.

Absolutely ridiculous. Sounds like you don't think anything should be age-restricted and if it's legal to distribute to an adult it should be legal to distribute to a child.

And again, booze and porn are age-restricted goods that are illegal to distribute to children. The government has just been really lazy on enforcing one of them but are finally starting to catch up with the times. Don't like it? Sounds like you're the one that has to move.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

The responsibility is on the distribute of age-restricted goods in every other situation, including physical porn. Why should internet porn be any different? Unless you're fine with stores selling liquor, weed, hardcore porn, tobacco, etc to kids and if parents want to prevent it it's on them to stop their kids from buying.


Absolutely ridiculous. Sounds like you don't think anything should be age-restricted and if it's legal to distribute to an adult it should be legal to distribute to a child.

And again, booze and porn are age-restricted goods that are illegal to distribute to children. The government has just been really lazy on enforcing one of them but are finally starting to catch up with the times. Don't like it? Sounds like you're the one that has to move.

What happens when an adult buys booze for their kids? What happens when the kid steals booze from the parent?

Why would I need to move when the law already agrees with my stance? The bill of rights protects me from the nanny state, thankfully.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Imaginary utopia? Many European countries only have a legal limit for purchasing alcohol and consuming it in public (which also varies per country, as low as 15 for Germany under parental supervision), but they have no limit for private use; the parent can completely decide to have their 14 y/o drink a small bit of wine during dinner.
Also "appropriate for their children", the US government doesn't even allow alcohol for tax paying, gun slinging, freedom voting adults lol.

Is there anywhere where parents have total control over what their children are allowed to consume? Like if it's legal for an adult it's legal to give to a child.

 

[Ikutachi]

People in this topic really don't understand this law? If you go into a store that sells porn and buy it you have to verify your age. The same is true to get in a strip club. The law just says the same thing applies to online porn.

They could still look at the contents in the store and just can't take them home but wank off to memories of them later.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Is there anywhere where parents have total control over what their children are allowed to consume? Like if it's legal for an adult it's legal to give to a child.

Media/art/writing is not a substance that one physically consumes. A movie is not equivalent to alcohol. A film, even pornographic is not comparable to a drug. Can both be addictive, absolutely, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Does the government limit music? Movies? Art? Books? No.

The MPA rating system is a voluntary scheme that is not enforced by law; films can be exhibited without a rating, although most theaters refuse to exhibit non-rated or NC-17 rated films.

Motion Picture Association film rating system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Parental Advisory (abbreviated as PAL or PA) is a voluntary warning label placed on audio recordings in recognition of inappropriate references, such as violence, sexual content or profanity, with the intention of alerting parents of material potentially unsuitable for children.

Parental Advisory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Note that I bolded VOLUNTARY. Websites can absolutely volunteer to do this. But if the government mandates it, the slippery slope begins.

If you start morally policing nudity, it opens the door to everything else. Who is to say violence shouldn't also be governmentally censored? What about hate speech? What about speech that is deemed to be anti-government. This is the reason the first amendment exists. To protect art, music, film, writing, dissent.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Holy cow legitimately arguing for government overreach like this is insanity.

Kids had access to computers in the library or at school and have for decades.

I think the government should protect kids, sue me. I also think "gender affirming" hormones should be illegal to give to kids.

I don't get the second part. You have to be pretty bold to watch porn at a library or in school lol.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

I can't wait to see how the first batch of children raised by the government turn out.

I've got this skate deck hanging on my wall and this book on my bookshelf. Guess I can't have my niece and nephew over anymore.

Spoiler: If ur under 18 pls don click

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

I can't wait to see how the first batch of children raised by the government turn out.

Serious question, do you think it's good that children have basically unlimited access to hardcore porn?

 

[Jinzo Prime]

I can't wait to see how the first batch of children raised by the government turn out.

I've got this skate deck hanging on my wall and this book on my bookshelf. Guess I can't have my niece and nephew over anymore.

Spoiler: If ur under 18 pls don click

Your being overdramatic, man. The government has been interfering in the raising of children for long time.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Serious question, do you think it's good that children have basically unlimited access to hardcore porn?

No, I think it's terrible parents are so uninterested in raising their children that they allow them unrestricted access to it.

You're being overdramatic, man. The government has been interfering in the raising of children for long time.

So I should encourage it?

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

No

I agree. Thankfully the government took notice and is starting to require these companies to verify age like others have to with booze, weed, tobacco, and physical porn.

 

[Peggies]

The responsibility is on the distribute of age-restricted goods in every other situation, including physical porn. Why should internet porn be any different? Unless you're fine with stores selling liquor, weed, hardcore porn, tobacco, etc to kids and if parents want to prevent it it's on them to stop their kids from buying.

Well yes it is on them. The idea is that you raise your kids to be sensible enough so that they won't watch hardcore porn, smoke a pack of cigarettes or drink a bottle of vodka.

In Europe or at least where I live you can buy alcohol at the age of 16 which doesn't mean that the streets are full of stinking drunk 16 year olds.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

No, I think it's terrible parents are so uninterested in raising their children that they allow them unrestricted access to it.


So I should encourage it?

I respect your opinion, but yes the government can and should enforce certain standards for children, like going to school, vaccination against diseases like smallpox, and keeping them away from proven harms, such as alcohol and tobacco. I don't know if porn should be on that list, but it can be if society decides it should be.

 

[SoloCamo]

My brain literally hurts from the naivety of some of you.. but hey, opinions and all that. Just be careful what you wish for...

Well it does seem that this law won't do much if kids can still watch porn on sites like twitter, 4chan, and reddit w/out verifying their age.

Soon enough.. the "verified account" option is an option after all, for now.

 

[Toons]

I think the government should protect kids, sue me. I also think "gender affirming" hormones should be illegal to give to kids.

Thin line between protecting and censoring.

I don't get the second part. You have to be pretty bold to watch porn at a library or in school lol.

Kids are bold. And stupid. I watched stuff on a computer with teachers walking back and forth behind me on my laptop when I was a teen. Wasn't hsrdcore or anything but still. Tjey probably saw me several times.

 

[jshackles]

What kid wouldn't just write down their parents ID info?

That's what I don't understand. All this extra tech infrastructure on the back end (tying into the department of motor vehicles license database, validation methods, access controls, etc.) that are expensive for a company like Pornhub to implement and maintain, all so that you can raise the barrier for entry on your site by locking everyone, including adults, behind a fucking 8-digit number.

 

[DrFigs]

A lot of conservatives just want to make pornography illegal or at the very least want to make it less accessible in general. It's not a sexy policy, so it doesn't get talked about openly. But this sentiment has always been there. Saying it's to protect kids is just a way to sell the bill.

 

[violence]

This is probably not a bad idea honestly. The adults are just gonna get a VPN.

 

[Hudo]

Masturbation is the enemy of the nation. - Abraham Lincoln

"I'm a MILF-man myself." - Alexander Hamilton

 

[Krappadizzle]

"I'm a MILF-man myself." - Alexander Hamilton

Father, I Can Not Tell a Lie; I clapped them cheeks

-George Washington

 

[jshackles]

This is probably not a bad idea honestly. The adults are just gonna get a VPN.

After working in education, I'd say the kids are far likelier to set up and use a VPN to bypass this than adults would be.

 

[Toons]

This is probably not a bad idea honestly. The adults are just gonna get a VPN.

My dad before he died couldn't have set up a VPN for himself if you offered him a million dollars and he was only in his 40s.

I could do it in minutes.

It ain't gonna be adults getting a vpn lol

 

[violence]

After working in education, I'd say the kids are far likelier to set up and use a VPN to bypass this than adults would be.

My dad before he died couldn't have set up a VPN for himself if you offered him a million dollars and he was only in his 40s.

I could do it in minutes.

It ain't gonna be adults getting a vpn lol

I understand there’s exceptions to everything. But kids generally don’t have money (I know there are sketchy free VPNs) and some resistance is better than nothing.

DRM doesn’t stop piracy but console manufacturers do it anyway because they are worse off without it.

 

[Atrus]

This is probably not a bad idea honestly. The adults are just gonna get a VPN.

VPN’s are obviously used by people with nefarious purposes and children can have access to them. We must protect children by ensuring that providers only allow verifiable, registered adults are viewing their content.

A few examples proposed by legislators in Canada are drivers licences, facial recognition, or registered online Digital ID’s. If they aren’t verified then no access should be provided.

Of course, we must do more to protect our children so we must go over and above just porn. I think we can all agree that children need to be protected from online harm and hatred. All adult material, including those requiring Parental Guidance, and any material that can be deemed to be physically or psychologically harmful to children should also require adult verifications.

Once we know who is accessing what, we can be sure that no children are being harmed./s

 

[SoloCamo]

VPN’s are obviously used by people with nefarious purposes and children can have access to them. We must protect children by ensuring that providers only allow verifiable, registered adults are viewing their content.

A few examples proposed by legislators in Canada are drivers licences, facial recognition, or registered online Digital ID’s. If they aren’t verified then no access should be provided.

Of course, we must do more to protect our children so we must go over and above just porn. I think we can all agree that children need to be protected from online harm and hatred. All adult material, including those requiring Parental Guidance, and any material that can be deemed to be physically or psychologically harmful to children should also require adult verifications.

Once we know who is accessing what, we can be sure that no children are being harmed./s

Had me in the first half, ngl