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Early impressions of Pragmata's PC version suggest that players using 8 GB graphics cards may encounter notable performance limitations, according to testing discussed in a recent Digital Foundry podcast. The analysis highlights a growing concern around VRAM constraints, particularly as modern titles continue to push visual fidelity.

Pragmata PC Performance Raises Concerns for 8 GB GPU Users, Digital Foundry Reports

Pragmata struggles on 8 GB GPUs on PC, with VRAM limitations impacting performance, according to Digital Foundry analysis.

twistedvoxel.com

 

[Gonzito]

 

[winjer]

Is DF using Internet Explorer?
We have know that 8GB was not enough for several games, for a few years now.

 

[OverHeat]

32GB VRAM master race.

 

[memoryman3]

Lower textures and resolution?

 

[spons]

Mind you, we had mainstream 8 GB cards in 2016. If you still buy these cards you're dumb as a rock.

 

[mèx]

Steam Machine is looking worse day by day... And it's not even out.

 

[Zathalus]

They are trying 1440p+RT+hair strands all at once. It is mostly fine in gameplay, but a intensive cutscene in the second level led to stutter. I'd imagine it might not occur at 1080p.

 

[Bojji]

8GB of VRAM is a problem since 2023.

 

[memoryman3]

I wonder if enabling Xbox Mode would help a title like this. Apparently it saves 500MB or so of VRAM in some titles.

 

[RoboFu]

Mind you, we had mainstream 8 GB cards in 2016. If you still buy these cards you're dumb as a rock.

A lot of people don't have a choice. Prices are way too high.

 

[rodrigolfp]

and 12GB and 16GB may too. Play at 8/16k and see.

 

[neo raider]

I guess my 10gb card is fine?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-and-rtx-5060-rumored-to-get-9gb-gddr7-variants

nVidia's got you covered.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Mind you, we had mainstream 8 GB cards in 2016. If you still buy these cards you're dumb as a rock.

Yea, It's been known for many years. Broken record reporting. It's well known, been there done there wrote the FAQ.

Water is wet, Avatar the Last Air Bender is the best cartoon series ever made. These things are known.

 

[SlimySnake]

Anyone who bought 8GB cards knowing consoles had 16 GBs is an idiot and needs to turn in their PC gaming card. I dont want you in my team. You are dumb and you should go buy a switch.

 

[nikos]

Good thing I haven't had an 8GB GPU in five years.

 

[Bojji]

I guess my 10gb card is fine?

10GB is the new minimum for console like settings, 12GB is optimal (you can maybe add some RT and FG), 16GB is good for 99% of games.

20GB+ is required for this 1% (like Indiana Jones with highest memory pool settings and PT).

 

[SlimySnake]

A lot of people don't have a choice. Prices are way too high.

Were they? 3060 launched with 12 GB iirc and the 8gb variant wasnt much cheaper. 4060 launched at $399 for the 8gb version and $499 for the 16 gb version.

Almost every AMD card has shipped with like 16 gb since 2020. If price was a concern, they shouldve just gone with AMD GPUs. 8GB has been an issue ever since we left cross gen. 3070 was having issues with Forspoken. FORSPOKEN!

 

[Bojji]

Were they? 3060 launched with 12 GB iirc and the 8gb variant wasnt much cheaper. 4060 launched at $399 for the 8gb version and $499 for the 16 gb version.

Almost every AMD card has shipped with like 16 gb since 2020. If price was a concern, they shouldve just gone with AMD GPUs. 8GB has been an issue ever since we left cross gen. 3070 was having issues with Forspoken. FORSPOKEN!

People buying 8GB GPUs after 2020 were hurting themselves, but nvidia constantly releasing those cards wasn't helping...

 

[BennyBlanco]

I guess my 10gb card is fine?

going from 10gb 3080 to 24gb 4090 felt like a massive upgrade. But I bet the 3080 would still be fine on a 1440p display.

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

8 GB GPUs have been inadequate for far too long now, this isn't a surprise.

 

[SlimySnake]

10GB is the new minimum for console like settings, 12GB is optimal (you can maybe add some RT and FG), 16GB is good for 99% of games.

20GB+ is required for this 1% (like Indiana Jones with highest memory pool settings and PT).

yeah, 10 gb is fine unless you are trying to run path tracing in games like Indiana Jones. i had no vram issues running path tracing let alone ray tracing in other games on my 10 GB 3080 while maxing them out at 4k. though i think RE9 hit 12 gb when using path tracing so i doubt i wouldve been able to run it on my 3080.

 

[HRK69]

8 GB GPUs have been inadequate for far too long now, this isn't a surprise.

Inadequate for what? I'm running every modern release on a 3070. 1080p, 50/60 FPS, no issues

Doesn't feel inadequate to me

And far too long? Please give me a time frame. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[rodrigolfp]

Anyone who bought 8GB cards knowing consoles had 10 GBs is an idiot and needs to turn in their PC gaming card. I dont want you in my team. You are dumb and you should go buy a switch.

Ftfy.

If price was a concern, they shouldve just gone with AMD GPUs.

For path tracing??

 

[Guilty_AI]

I wonder if enabling Xbox Mode would help a title like this. Apparently it saves 500MB or so of VRAM in some titles.

Or just dont crank everything to the max and call it a day




DF saying a hardware will have trouble running X is coded for "will have trouble running X at 4k native with path tracing and ultra max epic settings"

 

[damidu]

good thing steam potato is already a vaporhardware then

 

[tkscz]

So... what were the settings the cards couldn't handle the game at? I mean, that's one of the biggest advantages of PC gaming right? That you can change the settings if it's too much for your PC?

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

Inadequate for what? I'm running every modern release on a 3070. 1080p, 50/60 FPS, no issues

Doesn't feel inadequate to me

And far too long? Please give me a time frame. I'm genuinely curious.

I'll just leave this link for you to look over:

8 GB Of VRAM Just Isn’t Enough For A Gaming GPU In 2025: Here’s The Proof - Tech4Gamers

Sales data has shown us that 8 GB GPUs are being outsold by over 3000% compared to their 16 GB siblings. The days of 8 GB GPUs are numbered.

tech4gamers.com

 

[delirium trigger]

Those 300 dollar 8gb gpus are aimed towards 1080p. Testing 1440p with max settings isn't really fair analysis.

The 4060 gpu users are going to be just fine.

 

[mckmas8808]

Mind you, we had mainstream 8 GB cards in 2016. If you still buy these cards you're dumb as a rock.

So ummmm.....how much will come in the GabeCube this year? Wasn't it 8 GBs?

 

[xrnzaaas]

The same game runs on Series S, sure it's predefined hardware, but still. Plus Pragmata is not an open world game to have a valid reason to demand so much RAM. Meanwhile there are games like KCD2 that can run fine on cards with less RAM.

Edit: And isn't DF exaggerating a bit? The game has GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB in minimum specs and 2080 Super in recommended. Sure if you purchase a 30xx or 40xx card with not enough RAM it's going to be a bottleneck when trying to upgrade to higher res & details.

 

[The_hunter]

steam machine in shambles

 

[Bojji]

So... what were the settings the cards couldn't handle the game at? I mean, that's one of the biggest advantages of PC gaming right? That you can change the settings if it's too much for your PC?

RT off, lower textures and it should be ok?

Those 300 dollar 8gb gpus are aimed towards 1080p. Testing 1440p with max settings isn't really fair analysis.

The 4060 gpu users are going to be just fine.

1440p with DLSS balanced is ~900p internal res.

The same game runs on Series S, sure it's predefined hardware, but still. Plus Pragmata is not an open world game to have a valid reason to demand so much RAM. Meanwhile there are games like KCD2 that can run fine on cards with less RAM.

Series S version looks like shit, and you can run it on PC like that.

KCD2 uses ancient engine, and game doesn't look like modern title in many aspects.

 

[delirium trigger]

RT off, lower textures and it should be ok?



1440p with DLSS balanced is ~900p internal res.



Series S version looks like shit, and you can run it on PC like that.

KCD2 uses ancient engine, and game doesn't look like modern title in many aspects.

How about 1080p with dlss balanced?

 

[Katatonic]

I didn't enjoy the demo, but glad to know the Pro is the best place to play.

 

[Bojji]

How about 1080p with dlss balanced?

That would be ~600p I guess? Of course it would require less vram.

I didn't enjoy the demo, but glad to know the Pro is the best place to play.

Compared to PT with RR on PC?

 

[HRK69]

I'll just leave this link for you to look over:

8 GB Of VRAM Just Isn’t Enough For A Gaming GPU In 2025: Here’s The Proof - Tech4Gamers

Sales data has shown us that 8 GB GPUs are being outsold by over 3000% compared to their 16 GB siblings. The days of 8 GB GPUs are numbered.

tech4gamers.com

Lmfao

The article literally doesn't test or even mention performance at the resolution I'm using. It completely dodges the exact scenario I described: RTX 3070 8GB running every modern 2025/2026 release at 1080p, stable 50-60 FPS, no stuttering, no crashes, no texture pop-in. That's what you called 'inadequate for far too long'

Next time link something that actually addresses my setup instead of proving you can't read past the headline.

Weak af

 

[Katatonic]

That would be ~600p I guess? Of course it would require less vram.



Compared to PT with RR on PC?

Compared to the vast majority of PC's, yes.

 

[tkscz]

RT off, lower textures and it should be ok?



1440p with DLSS balanced is ~900p internal res.



Series S version looks like shit, and you can run it on PC like that.

KCD2 uses ancient engine, and game doesn't look like modern title in many aspects.

Of course that's ok. Nothing wrong with 1080p medium mix.

That's the point of PC gaming, you don't need to highest end hardware to still join in. At least that's what we used to promote.

 

[Bojji]

Compared to the vast majority of PC's, yes.

Vast majority of console users don't have Pro. And base console version is not too hot when it comes to image quality (it's garbage).

 

[Guilty_AI]

I'll just leave this link for you to look over:

8 GB Of VRAM Just Isn’t Enough For A Gaming GPU In 2025: Here’s The Proof - Tech4Gamers

Sales data has shown us that 8 GB GPUs are being outsold by over 3000% compared to their 16 GB siblings. The days of 8 GB GPUs are numbered.

tech4gamers.com

• "Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora" (12+ GB VRAM at 1440p Ultra)
• "Star Wars Outlaws" (10+ GB recommended for 1440p)
• "Call of Duty: Black Ops 6" (12 GB VRAM for max settings)

So... dont play on ultra? I've looked into some benchmarks and even budget cards like the 3050 or 2060 can run these games at medium-high

 

[Katatonic]

Vast majority of console users don't have Pro. And base console version is not too hot when it comes to image quality (it's garbage).

But I do.

 

[Bojji]

But I do.

Me to, and capable gaming PC as well - so I will choose the best version between them. I don't know what people with potato PCs have to do with it.

 

[Arsic]

Simple buy a ps5 pro and sell the PC.

 

[Bojji]

Simple buy a ps5 pro and sell the PC.

Changing a graphics card is less expensive than buying Pro.

9060XT 16GB is ~430$. Sell your GPU for ~200$ and you have it for 220$.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I didn't enjoy the demo, but glad to know the Pro is the best place to play.

Past time for your meds.

Simple buy a better PC and sell the potato PC.

Ftfy.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Simple buy a ps5 pro and sell the PC.

PS5 Pro does not have enough ooomph. If your wanting to abandon PC and get a console, wait for the PS6.
It would be better to upgrade the GPU. cheaper too.

 

[poppabk]

Or just dont crank everything to the max and call it a day




DF saying a hardware will have trouble running X is coded for "will have trouble running X at 4k native with path tracing and ultra max epic settings"

I think what they are trying to say is that with 8GB cards - the VRAM becomes a bottleneck - the card has the compute power to push better visuals or framerate, the VRAM is the limiting factor.
While it's a shame to leave compute power laying idle - the cards will still run the game fine.