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[Lundren]

Just to be clear; I was being facetious in order to show how ridiculous certain posters in this thread are.

If you don't​ condone violence, you should probably not defend someone who is wishing blanket violence on a group of people.

For those who would claim that they aren't defending the guy, but giving their opinion on the person who attacked him? When you corner someone and they've exhausted their options, you have to expect drastic action.

 

[Hierophant]

Just to be clear; I was being facetious in order to show how ridiculous certain posters in this thread are.

if you were you did a good job cause its indistinguishable to some of the "enlightened and reasoned" individuals here

 

[the_darkness]

At the same time, the woman who hit him was absolutely wrong to do so.

Can you explain why without resorting to a platitude?

 

[Tonedeff]

Piece of shit gets borked by another piece of shit. Am I suppose to feel sympathy for either of these motherfuckers? Fuck em both

 

[mashoutposse]

Then you don't condone any action that stops him from advocating rape to high schoolers.

Sorry, but that's the bottom line. What your suggesting has no effect. So to ignore the guy and call the police is tantamount to letting him advocate rape to high schoolers. They are one and the same.

Correct, I won't be baited by a troll into committing a felony.

 

[Night Angel]

I want to scream how hard is it for you people to understand people see different things as threats, it must be easy for you to say it's not a threat sitting in your armchair but a sexual assault victim may not feel as easy as you do in the face of such threats

And I'm not prepared to let people attack others who they deem threatening at will. Self-defense laws are strict for a reason. Letting people decide what is and isn't an actionable threat for necessary force in the public arena is dangerous because said threshold is different for everyone. Short of an imminent (as in, about to happen... not days from now but NOW) physical threat, I am not comfortable with allowing people to attack others.

I don't know/understand how a rape victim would respond to this douche's ranting. I can never truly understand it. I can empathize with the very real pain it can cause. That doesn't mean I have to believe violence is the appropriate response in this case.

Different people have different triggers. Allowing people to act violently on those triggers does not seem like a good idea, no matter how reprehensible the person being attacked is.

Can you explain why without resorting to a platitude?

She responded to words using physical force that could easily have killed the man.

 

[Makai]

That's bad news for a significant portion of the posters in this thread.

lol

 

[Media]

Again, it seems like if I were faced with a similar situation, only outside of my home, I would be called out for resorting to violence as well. Calling the cops does nothing, ripping up signs or destroying personal effects is assault, hitting him is disgusting, so my options would be:

Move
Or if too poor to move
Kill myself

Only with that last one I'd be called a coward like this girl was too.

So I guess move or suck it up and live with it are my only options

 

[WrenchNinja]

there's a reason why lawful neutral is the dumbest alignment

 

[Lundren]

if you were you did a good job cause its indistinguishable to some of the "enlightened and reasoned" individuals here

I need to remember that tone doesnt convey through text. In this climate, it's too easy for something that would normally be completely absurd to sound exactly like the argument some people would make.

 

[Hierophant]

Again, it seems like if I were faced with a similar situation, only outside of my home, I would be called out for resorting to violence as well. Calling the cops does nothing, ripping up signs or destroying personal effects is assault, hitting him is disgusting, so my options would be:

Move
Or if too poor to move
Kill myself

Only with that last one I'd be called a coward like this girl was too.

So I guess move or suck it up and live with it are my only options

someones gonna give you a spiel about being the bigger person and ignoring this person or how acknowledging him gives his words power or some dumb shit like that when the fact of the matter is, words do have power and its very hard to be the bigger person for an extended amount of time (like this guy was allowed to spout his shit for so long), its a public service to shut this cunt up if only for a bit

 

[the_darkness]

She responded to words using physical force that could easily have killed the man.

He used words that could have irreparably damage numerous childrens' psyches and caused them physical harm.

He didn't die so quit the hyperbole.

 

[Veelk]

Correct, I won't be baited by a troll into committing a felony.

No, and instead you let the rape advocation remain undisturbed and then come to school to find some poor girl crying in the bathroom and you'll know why. And that's when you'll feel the real scope of your victory.

Fuck inaction.

 

[Hopeford]

I don't condone violence, but at the same time the circumstances make this understandable. I think violence is wrong, but these are some very extenuating circumstances.

I kind of want to come down to a good/bad response here, but real talk...in the end, I don't approve of violence and at the same time I don't really blame batwoman. It's like, I feel like the bat attack was not okay, but she was frankly pushed to a breaking point. It's like...yeah, not cool but totally understandable.

I'm rambling but I guess what it comes down to is that I can't really cheer this response, but I can't really say it's wrong either. Something along the lines of...."That's not what I personally would have done or believe to be the hypothetical 'right thing to do,' but considering the circumstances I'd hardly fault anyone for acting this way. I blame the preacher entirely for causing the situation to escalate."

 

[99Luffy]

You're right. It isn't complicated. He encourages violence. Violence was committed.

He should have been raped amirite. Only then will he know how wrong he was for holding that sign.

 

[Metaphoreus]

I want to scream how hard is it for you people to understand people see different things as threats, it must be easy for you to say it's not a threat sitting in your armchair but a sexual assault victim may not feel as easy as you do in the face of such threats

Okay. And we should allow people to commit acts of violence based on purely subjective perceptions of threats because...?

 

[Lundren]

He should have been raped amirite.

Hot take.

 

[Hierophant]

Okay. And we should allow people to commit acts of violence based on purely subjective perceptions of threats because...?

hey, maybe someone doesn't want to hear that they deserve to be raped day in day out? maybe all other avenues were exhausted in dealing with this dude and noone was willing to do anything? i'm not sure, fuck me for having some empathy right

 

[Makai]

This thread is up there for the most extreme framing I've seen.

 

[Slackbladder]

If I walked up to a man with his 5 year old daughter and said to him "Can I fuck your daughter?" and he hit me I bet most people in here would say I deserved it. Now tell me, what is the difference?

 

[Lundren]

hey, maybe someone doesn't want to hear that they deserve to be raped day in day out? maybe all other avenues were exhausted in dealing with this dude and noone was willing to do anything? i'm not sure, fuck me for having some empathy right

The insinuation is that your empathy is towards the wrong party.

You should be in tears that this guy got hurt. Forget the high schoolers.

 

[Got]

Okay. And we should allow people to commit acts of violence based on purely subjective perceptions of threats because...?

still making me smile

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

You can't combat logic that prioritizes legality over morality. A rapist standing across from a school and screaming at students that they deserve to be raped is perfectly fine in America.

Freedom

If I walked up to a man with his 5 year old daughter and said to him "Can I fuck your daughter?" and he hit me I bet most people in here would say I deserved it. Now tell me, what is the difference?

Some of these dudes would probably hit you with "it was just words, you barbarian!"

 

[mashoutposse]

The guy is walking around shouting inflammatory stuff while recording the whole thing. You're obviously being trolled and baited.

Ignore him and alert the authorities. That is the best course of action.

Assaulting him on camera is the worst one. It's idiotic.

 

[Night Angel]

He used words that could have irreparably damage numerous childrens' psyches and caused them physical harm.

He didn't die so quit the hyperbole.

He used words that COULD have damaged. She used force that DID damage, and COULD have killed.

You asked, I answered. Sorry you didn't like the answer.

Assault with a deadly weapon is assault with a deadly weapon regardless of outcome.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

If I walked up to a man with his 5 year old daughter and said to him "Can I fuck your daughter?" and he hit me I bet most people in here would say I deserved it. Now tell me, what is the difference?

Well for one, you can't ask a father consent to fuck a 5 year old. You're allowed to hold signs.

 

[Hierophant]

The insinuation is that your empathy is towards the wrong party.

You should be in tears that this guy got hurt. Forget the high schoolers.

what really fucking shits me is people saying both parties are pieces of shit, as if not wanting to be told you should be raped over and over is a bad thing and is the same level as someone screaming that you will die soon because you don't believe in christ and that your rape is valid

and i know she hit him and this somehow equals it out? nah, he seemed fine after and it shut him up for a bit at least

 

[Veelk]

Ignore him and alert the authorities. That is the best course of action.

The fact that this does nothing is really meaningless to you, isn't it?

I wish you'd stop hiding behind this stupid rhetoric and just argue the more straightforward point of "It's his right to advocate rape to high school students".

Because that's all your argument amounts to and it'd atleast make for a more honest debate.

 

[AnAnole]

Sometimes breaking the law is the right thing. If I were a jury member, it wouldn't be difficult for me to buy a self defense argument.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Attempts murder is fine as long as they look OK afterwards. Shooting a gun at someone is fine unless the bullet hit. Running over someone is fine if they dive out they way, no harm, no foul

 

[Media]

He used words that COULD have damaged. She used force that DID damage, and COULD have killed.

You asked, I answered. Sorry you didn't like the answer.

Assault with a deadly weapon is assault with a deadly weapon regardless of outcome.

His words, and the words and actions of thousands in our society today cause 1 in 6 women to be raped, and 1 in 3 to be sexually assaulted.

I'm sorry if you don't like that answer.

If there was a weird cultural thing where it was sorta okay to go around smacking middle aged white men with a bat, to the point that 1 in 6 white men have been smacked with a bat in their lives, and people were walking around preaching about that's okay to do, and in fact should happen, maybe some could have a bit more empathy? I dunno.

 

[MastAndo]

So just generally speaking, if I've alerted the authorities and they made it clear they weren't going to help, it would be morally OK if I hit someone over the head with a bat for holding a sign with a message that is threatening to me? ...or is more information about the situation needed?

 

[Tonedeff]

what really fucking shits me is people saying both parties are pieces of shit, as if not wanting to be told you should be raped over and over is a bad thing and is the same level as someone screaming that you will die soon because you don't believe in christ and that your rape is valid

and i know she hit him and this somehow equals it out? nah, he seemed fine after and it shut him up for a bit at least

"I don't like what you have to say, so I'll knock you the fuck out for it."

That is a piece of shit mentality.

 

[Hierophant]

"I don't like what you have to say, so I'll knock you the fuck out for it."

That is a piece of shit mentality.

you know whats a piece of shit mentality? telling someone they deserve to be raped, its not just "something someone says", these words have real meaning and hurt behind them

 

[Tonedeff]

you know whats a piece of shit mentality? telling someone they deserve to be raped, its not just "something someone says", these words have real meaning and hurt behind them

You're right...

 

[Media]

"I don't like what you have to say, so I'll knock you the fuck out for it."

That is a piece of shit mentality.

This isn't a case of someone not liking what someone else is saying. How can so many of you not understand that? Dude was advocating and threatening rape on teenage girls. That is not the same as "You like pineapple pizza?! I'm going to kick your ass!"

 

[F0rneus]

Just to be clear; I was being facetious in order to show how ridiculous certain posters in this thread are.

If you don't​ condone violence, you should probably not defend someone who is wishing blanket violence on a group of people.

For those who would claim that they aren't defending the guy, but giving their opinion on the person who attacked him? When you corner someone and they've exhausted their options, you have to expect drastic action.

Holy shit! Well done sir. You caught a lot of fishes too.

 

[mashoutposse]

The fact that this does nothing is really meaningless to you, isn't it?

I wish you'd stop hiding behind this stupid rhetoric and just argue the more straightforward point of "It's his right to advocate rape to high school students".

Because that's all your argument amounts to and it'd atleast make for a more honest debate.

In my case, the guy gets no attention nor response and eventually ends up shouting at an empty street when everyone goes home as normal.

In your case, the guy captures viral footage that still draws national attention a year after the incident and he gets to sit in on your sentencing as he did with this young woman.

 

[Psychoward]

"I don't like what you have to say, so I'll knock you the fuck out for it."

That is a piece of shit mentality.

I think the biggest piece of shit mentality is saying schoolgirls deserve to be raped and not the person who knocked him the fuck out (he wasn't knocked out btw)

 

[The Kree]

Y'all keep talking about "words I don't like" as if dude said he prefers Coke to Pepsi.

 

[Psychoward]

Y'all keep talking about "words I don't like" as if dude said he prefers Coke to Pepsi.

Every thread, no matter what the person says. It's always just a differing viewpoint that we need to compromise with.

 

[Hierophant]

In my case, the guy gets no attention nor response and eventually ends up shouting at an empty street when everyone goes home as normal.

In your case, the guy captures viral footage that still draws national attention a year after the incident and he gets to sit in on your sentencing as he did with this young woman.

its amazing how much you don't get the point, which is, he's not shouting at an empty street, theres people there who have already been and will continually be affected by his words, this guys only real life outlet is going to shout at teenagers at a school then hes not gonna leave anytime soon

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

This isn't a case of someone not liking what someone else is saying. How can so many of you not understand that? Dude was advocating and threatening rape on teenage girls. That is not the same as "You like pineapple pizza?! I'm going to kick your ass!"

What are some Media approved threats you believe deserve an aluminum bat to the head for. Pro abortion? Anti-Semitism? I gotta know who I can hammer and still have people defend me.

 

[Psychoward]

Attempts murder is fine as long as they look OK afterwards. Shooting a gun at someone is fine unless the bullet hit. Running over someone is fine if they dive out they way, no harm, no foul

It wasn't attempted murder or intent of murder but ok

Furthermore, according to the lovely judicial system of the US you can actually shoot someone for being black and get off scot-free!

 

[Hierophant]

What are some Media approved threats you believe deserve an aluminum bat to the head for. Pro abortion? Anti-Semitism? I gotta know who I can hammer and still have people defend me.

hint hint, maybe someone who spouts disgusting ass views, i don't give a shit if they get their ass laid out or not, for what reason should we really keep caping for abject monsters in human skin

 

[water_wendi]

When people say that just ignore them or debate them.. thats been the tactic for decades and i think its safe to say that things have not improved. Odious ideologies have never been stronger or more prevalent. Actions change things. What form action will take in the near future is anybodys guess but i think its safe to say that the era of talking is nearing its end.

 

[Hopeford]

"I don't like what you have to say, so I'll knock you the fuck out for it."

That is a piece of shit mentality.

Well, let's be fair here--it wasn't a disagreement, it was a provocation. The preacher's inflammatory statements weren't an invitation for discussion but an attempt at grabbing attention so he could talk about what he wanted. "You deserve to be raped" was not what the Priest wanted to debate, that was just an attempt at a reaction because he knew those words would cause a stir of emotion.

So here's the thing: I don't approve of violence. I really don't. But this is a case where someone continued to provoke another party for days which eventually led to an escalation. It wasn't a difference in opinions, it was provocation leading to assault. And...I can hardly blame the woman who got violent because the preacher was constantly prodding to get a violent reaction.

And I feel like this is a very important distinction to make here. I don't think violence is a correct response, but I think once a party is pushed to a breaking point--and the preacher clearly did so after continuing his speech for days--I can hardly blame them for reacting in the way they did.

I understand that you don't agree with violence. Neither do I, really. But I think that in this case the violence is frankly at the fault of the Preacher. He created a scenario where people would feel threatened and provoked them for a number of days.

 

[Media]

What are some Media approved threats you believe deserve an aluminum bat to the head for. Pro abortion? Anti-Semitism? I gotta know who I can hammer and still have people defend me.

If you want to go to bat for people threatening rape, that's not my problem. I tend to draw the line have no sympathy for people who get smacked when advocating violence against a group that experiences that violence in horrific numbers.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

What are some Media approved threats you believe deserve an aluminum bat to the head for. Pro abortion? Anti-Semitism? I gotta know who I can hammer and still have people defend me.

There's no moon money in defending the honor of rape advocates, McCutcheon!

 

[Hierophant]

its like the legality argument falls apart entirely once told that the cops weren't going to do shit about this shitcunt, so it goes to "you should have just ignored it day in day out, idk im not personally affected by it so i don't give a shit, you have to get thick skin", most unfeeling people i swear to god