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[Forsythia]

What the fuck. What is wrong with people?

 

[NinjaMouse]

First of all:


Furthermore, there is no trend in the media that attributes the knockout game to unruly white teens and young white men. In stark contrast, the article you posted has none of the coded racist language that's in every article about a black teen/man punching someone.



Where are the dozens of others? I've seen these few documented cases, including the ones you posted above. Some were years ago. Others have dubious links to any supposed trend and others are rare copycats that always pop up after media gives exposure to nonexistent trends/epidemics. Where are the many violent attacks in this supposed epidemic of violence? If you bothered to read the links I posted before, there is no solid evidence (outside of random anecdotes and copycat teens) that black/Latino/Asian/white men are out there in droves playing a racially-motivated violent game. Few of the cases are explicitly this game. The vast majority of "examples" are disparate incidents where some kid violently lashes out and the authorities or media declare it "knockout game."

I'm genuinely curious...so what separates a "knockout game" from a "random assault", from a technical standpoint. Is it the absence of a dare from someone? Is there some underground scoreboard that is being kept? Since you're asserting that only black people "play" the knockout game in the media's eyes, what would a white person have to do in order to get labeled a knockout game participant?

 

[zaxon]

First of all:
Where are the dozens of others? I've seen these few documented cases, including the ones you posted above. Some were years ago. Others have dubious links to any supposed trend and others are rare copycats that always pop up after media gives exposure to nonexistent trends/epidemics. Where are the many violent attacks in this supposed epidemic of violence? If you bothered to read the links I posted before, there is no solid evidence (outside of random anecdotes and copycat teens) that black/Latino/Asian/white men are out there in droves playing a racially-motivated violent game. Few of the cases are explicitly this game. The vast majority of "examples" are disparate incidents where some kid violently lashes out and the authorities or media declare it "knockout game."

"But do we really know it's a knockout game? Maybe they were just angry and punched the first thing that came into their view."

 

[Ponn]

First of all:


Furthermore, there is no trend in the media that attributes the knockout game to unruly white teens and young white men. In stark contrast, the article you posted has none of the coded racist language that's in every article about a black teen/man punching someone.



Where are the dozens of others? I've seen these few documented cases, including the ones you posted above. Some were years ago. Others have dubious links to any supposed trend and others are rare copycats that always pop up after media gives exposure to nonexistent trends/epidemics. Where are the many violent attacks in this supposed epidemic of violence? If you bothered to read the links I posted before, there is no solid evidence (outside of random anecdotes and copycat teens) that black/Latino/Asian/white men are out there in droves playing a racially-motivated violent game. Few of the cases are explicitly this game. The vast majority of "examples" are disparate incidents where some kid violently lashes out and the authorities or media declare it "knockout game."

Two here recently in jacksonville. http://www.news4jax.com/news/riverside-couple-falls-victim-to-knockout-game/27079646

Ive been seeing more of it in the last some months and before that just the incidents in UK where i first heard about it. In none of the media reportings did i see a racial connection trying to be made and this thread is the first im hearing about that connection. I can certainly see some conservative groups trying to make that connection. I have to ask though what violent crime, hell, what crime period do those groups NOT try to connect in someway to race. Why fall into that narrative and give it credence and choose to try to relabel the crime, wont stop them. Its a shitty thing that should be handled directly just like these incidents going on are a shitty thing that should be handled. By trying to reduce a growing and very noticeable trend with specifics to a very broader larger group of crimes would be a disservice and make it harder to do something about.

 

[bigmit3737]

This is the first time I'm learning about the connection of blacks and 'knockout game' as well.

I had seen a few videos a while back on GAF, but remember one of the videos labeled "knockout game " had a white male try as the attacker.

 

[Jado]

Two here recently in jacksonville. http://www.news4jax.com/news/riverside-couple-falls-victim-to-knockout-game/27079646

The two cases in that link are literally "black man attacks man, no one knows why, interviewed people wildly speculate based on media sensationalism, police guess it's vicious trend of knockout game."

I'm genuinely curious...so what separates a "knockout game" from a "random assault", from a technical standpoint. Is it the absence of a dare from someone? Is there some underground scoreboard that is being kept? Since you're asserting that only black people "play" the knockout game in the media's eyes, what would a white person have to do in order to get labeled a knockout game participant?

From what I've seen, the few cases in which a white person were portrayed in media as playing the knockout game were ones in which the person verbally said "knockout" or some iteration of "I'm going to imitate the knockout game." Regardless, none of them have racially charged language implying a problem in the white community. The tone for white criminals is very different and arguably more positive.

In news reports of black men attacking people, the "knockout" label is much more quickly hurled around without any justification. Some news sources will use subtly racist language remarking that it's a dangerous new trend (among who? scary black men of course) that's sweeping the nation. This is typical media dog whistling. Black man does something bad... systemic problem in black community. White man does something bad... lone wolf acting up.

"But do we really know it's a knockout game? Maybe they were just angry and punched the first thing that came into their view."

What?

 

[Ponn]

The two cases in that link are literally "black man attacks man, no one knows why, interviewed people wildly speculate based on media sensationalism, police guess it's vicious trend of knockout game."

Wow, ok dude it's apparent that you are trying to push this as an agenda and are not open to any discussion..

1) that link was only for one of the incidents

2) Neither the victim nor description of the perps race or color were mentioned anywhere.

 

[mantidor]

I've heard of this game before and I had absolutely no idea it was only used for incidents with black people.

I guess in the US everything is really about race. Seems like a really awful situation that will only scalate :/

 

[BearFlexington]

Still hung up on "fit the description."

I'll save my vitriol for prosecution.

 

[entremet]

The two cases in that link are literally "black man attacks man, no one knows why, interviewed people wildly speculate based on media sensationalism, police guess it's vicious trend of knockout game."



From what I've seen, the few cases in which a white person were portrayed in media as playing the knockout game were ones in which the person verbally said "knockout" or some iteration of "I'm going to imitate the knockout game." Regardless, none of them have racially charged language implying a problem in the white community. The tone for white criminals is very different and arguably more positive.

In news reports of black men attacking people, the "knockout" label is much more quickly hurled around without any justification. Some news sources will use subtly racist language remarking that it's a dangerous new trend (among who? scary black men of course) that's sweeping the nation. This is typical media dog whistling. Black man does something bad... systemic problem in black community. White man does something bad... lone wolf acting up.



What?

The interesting thing is that this case doesn't even fit the knockout game description as portrayed by media:

-It was a sole perp and not a group egging him on based on the victims account.
-It was a slap and not a punch. At least the initial hit. Nor a sucker punch--Thank God for the latter with the victim being pregnant.
-It wasn't recorded.

This is assault.

What's funny as well as that when describing knock game footage a station used tape from the UK. Yet they never mentioned it! :/

 

[GuessWho]

where is that video of the knockout game gone wrong. As in the boyfriend goes all Spetnaz on the aggressors. I need to feel better about these lowlifes.

 

[FartOfWar]

No. A collection of incidents are not in themselves evidence for the rationale behind (if any) or causes of those incidents. This is basic logic. No amount of data simply counting occurrences can be used as evidence for a specific cause. It's evidence that (something has occurred) vs. evidence why.

This isn't devil's advocacy, it's a question of logical consistency. If you posted this paragraph in the Ferguson thread where it would appear to argue against institutional racism as the root cause of all police killings of black men in America, what range of responses would you say you'd receive? "Just. stop?" "Please leave?" Is the knockout game a massive trend? No, though evidence suggests its a trend all the same. No one here suggested that racist motivation is a necessary rule. In fact, people provided several videos of white perpetrators.

 

[OverlordSteph]

fucking horrid ... some people dont deserve to be called human

 

[GeordieMark]

If this is a 'game', I really hope the little fucks that wanna play it get absolutely hammered into the ground. A coma would be too good for the kind of cowardly shit that does something like this.

 

[Rest]

"Knockout game" is a way to make it seem like a trend.

I remember people discussing the knockout game when I was in elementary school. It's very much a thing, the internet just caught on.

 

[soultron]

I know it doesn't matter the age, but I can't believe someone who's 33-years-old would participate in this. Homie needs a job/hobby/Jesus.

Hope the woman and her baby are OK!

 

[Higgy]

Someone should tell this racist that the knockout game is bullshit ploy.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12...s-leaders-launch-fight-against-knockout-game/

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Awful trend.

 

[Kite]

I've heard of this game before and I had absolutely no idea it was only used for incidents with black people.

Because it's not, here is one example of a white guy getting charged with a federal hate crime for doing the knockout game against an old black guy.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Because it's not, here is one example of a white guy getting charged with a federal hate crime for doing the knockout game against an old black guy.

Yea I pointed that out earlier but didn't get a response

 

[Deleted member 325805]

I thought this shit had stopped, I haven't read about it in ages.

 

[AlteredBeast]

This is news to me. I had no idea that the knockout game had any association with race. Just young punk kids, treating people like shit... Learn something new every day.