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[Kayhan]

"Knockout game" is a way to make it seem like a trend.

"Earlier this week, a 72-year-old man was sucker-punched in the West Village. He's been in the hospital with bleeding of the brain and police are still looking for two suspect."

From the second link.

 

[Marvel]

What is wrong with people?

 

[Malyse]

I wish this would no longer be referred to as "knockout game". This is assault.

To be clear, its actually battery. Assault is threat of force; battery is using it.

 

[GorillaJu]

UK: Happy Slapping.

US: Knockout Game.

Same crime. Two very different wiki entries. That's some interesting shit.

It couldn't possibly be more clear than this. The perception issue hits both sides, too: I read an editorial from a liberal who bought the 'knockout game' story full stop. She was just relieved there was finally a hate crime that didn't make her fear for her life as a black woman.

 

[entremet]

Request for a title change. I feel terrible for what happened to the woman, but the "knockout game," if even real, has been greatly exaggerated to lump together all incidents in which a black person attacks someone of another ethnic background as some twisted proof by racist/conservative outlets that blacks are acting in concert to assault whites and Asians around the country.

Yep.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

"Earlier this week, a 72-year-old man was sucker-punched in the West Village. He's been in the hospital with bleeding of the brain and police are still looking for two suspect."

From the second link.

Oh, God. I stand corrected, goddamn.

 

[The Lamonster]

If I was the father I would probably want to kill this guy.

 

[Jado]

I read both articles before commenting. Apparently it is in the video, but the video isn't working for me. I never said it isn't about race. I asked you why you assumed it was under the belief they didn't state the race if the attacker. Is the attacker identified as black in the video?

The guy in the video is black. You did more than just "ask." See below.

How do you even know if the attacker is black? Why are you twisting this into a racial issue?

I don't appreciate you accusing me of the bolded when by your own admission you said you don't know SHIT about this topic. You really need to drop this annoying devil's advocate crap you do in every race thread ("but I'm black!"). It's getting old.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/364659/knockouts-high-and-low-mark-steyn
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/364322/very-dangerous-game-thomas-sowell
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/11/22/a-three-step-cure-for-the-knockout-game/

The "trend" of knocking people unconscious in one sucker punch has been around for a while and is neither gaining popularity nor appears to be racially charged, but the term "knockout game" almost always refers to black-on-white, and is used as a talking point by conservatives to claim liberal bias in the media for whitewashing or otherwise underreporting crime in the black community.

The "knockout" game existed in some form in the 1980s in NYC and reportedly came out of Brooklyn Tech, one of the top schools in the city. Only recently it's been made into a black thing by the media in the US.

 

[Aurongel]

I understand that the term "knockout game" is just sensationalized silliness created by the media to make it look like a trend but I don't see the racial bias angle some of you are claiming here. The first major stories of this I saw on the news were all scumbag suburban white kids and I've since seen equal amounts of black and white perpetrators. Granted that's entirely anecdotal so I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. Is there any concrete proof of a bias here someone can show me?

EDIT: Also, this has fuck all to do with playing devils advocate (referring to the above post).

 

[Schattenjäger]

Exactly - I understand that there is controversy as to whether its a game or not but i don't understand how race is involved

All I see is some stupid conservative blog posts that mention race and make it a race issue.. Just because they do doesn't mean it's a race issue

 

[Jado]

I understand that the term "knockout game" is just sensationalized silliness created by the media to make it look like a trend but I don't see the racial bias angle some of you are claiming here. The first major stories of this I saw on the news were all scumbag suburban white kids and I've since seen equal amounts of black and white perpetrators. Granted that's entirely anecdotal so I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. Is there any concrete proof of a bias here someone can show me?

EDIT: Also, this has fuck all to do with playing devils advocate (referring to the above post).

Devils advocate remark was directed at a specific poster who has an extremely annoying tendency to take the contrarian viewpoint in every thread about alleged racism with very transparent motives for doing so.

Moving on:

Sorry, Right-Wing Media: The "Knockout Game" Trend Is a Myth.

Now, the false trend story of black mob violence has cropped up again, as it seems to do annually, in conservative media outlets. (McKay Coppins wrote about this phenomenon in BuzzFeed last year.) The new scare is the "knockout game," in which black youths supposedly attack innocent people just for fun. Conservative pundits decry the MSM for suffering from political correctness and whitewashing crimes perpetrated by black people, but a more reasonable explanation for why most media outlets aren't devoting round-the-clock coverage to the knockout game is that—sorry, Sean Hannity—there is no hard data showing that it's a trend.

An important clarification: the game definitely exists, and has been around for at least a couple of years. I'm not claiming the game doesn't exist. But the idea that it's reached epidemic levels, or that it's only being played by young black people, is a fallacy. As Alan Noble convincingly writes, "Analyzing data is not as simple as watching some YouTube videos and Googling 'knockout game.'" And when it comes to the knockout game's supposed popularity, the data is almost entirely anecdotal

The Knockout Game Myth and its Racist Roots

The stories are chilling–conjuring a world of senseless, alien violence as incomprehensible as it is reprehensible. Rightfully, we are mortified and outraged and we fear for a country in which A Clockwork Orange ultra-violence finds life in our streets. The analysis of many pundits is startling: these attacks are racially motivated hate crimes against whites by black youths and the media and our politicians refuse to identify these racist motives out of political correctness.

What goes mostly unspoken in these commentaries on the “knockout game” is the idea that these assaults are racially motivated and so white people should be wary of groups of black men. Some take this further and blame the “liberal media” for the violence, since the media allegedly hid the “truth” about the race of the criminals. If only the media would tell us when black people attack white people, we’d know to not trust them and we’d be safe, the logic goes.

But are these pundits correct? Are these crimes committed by roaming packs of black “savages” against white people?

Here’s the fascinating thing about this “spreading” trend: nobody seems to have any evidence that it’s spreading, or that it’s new, or that it’s racially motivated, or that black youths are the ones typically responsible, or that whites are typically targeted. This hasn’t stopped Mark Steyn, Thomas Sowell, and Matt Walsh from describing this specifically as a crime committed by blacks against whites, CNN from claiming that it is “spreading,” or Alec Torres at NRO from say it is “evidently increasing [in] popularity.” Most sources claim that it is spreading, and a number of sources claim that it is racially motivated. But how do they know? Where are they getting their data from?

 

[GorillaJu]

I understand that the term "knockout game" is just sensationalized silliness created by the media to make it look like a trend but I don't see the racial bias angle some of you are claiming here. The first major stories of this I saw on the news were all scumbag suburban white kids and I've since seen equal amounts of black and white perpetrators. Granted that's entirely anecdotal so I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. Is there any concrete proof of a bias here someone can show me?

EDIT: Also, this has fuck all to do with playing devils advocate (referring to the above post).

The racial angle is something that's being played up by talking heads and generally conservative outlets - the point is that act of knocking out strangers isn't actually racially charged, but the perception of the "knockout game", in those words, is that it's a black-on-white assault trend.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...ay-attacked-without-reason-broken-eye-socket/

http://beforeitsnews.com/crime-all-...s-spreading-across-america-video-2447634.html

http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2013/12/woman-falsely-accuses-3-black-men-of-knockout-game-attack/

I mean god there are just so many articles that describe incidents under the context of "knockout game = black youth assaulting white victim"

Exactly - I understand that there is controversy as to whether its a game or not but i don't understand how race is involved

All I see is some stupid conservative blog posts that mention race and make it a race issue.. Just because they do doesn't mean it's a race issue

You've misunderstood. It's not a race issue, but "knockout game" is the phrase used by conservatives to try and convince you that it is a race issue. That's why people are objecting to the use of that phrase.

 

[Malvolio]

To be clear, its actually battery. Assault is threat of force; battery is using it.

Appreciate the knowledge!

 

[Schattenjäger]

White teens and men have randomly attacked people before. It's never called the knockout game when they do it.

That's not true
www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-man-charged-with-hate-crime-after-knockout-attack/
And also one of your sources specifically state that the game exists

 

[Tom Penny]

That's fucked up. Really, there should be some people exempt from this game, like children, pregnant woman, and arguably elderly people.

Exactly. So dumb to be just going around knocking out the wrong people disregarding the rules.

 

[hipbabboom]

It's not that such an act is acceptable at any age but what the hell is wrong with your life if you are doing this at 33 years old?!

 

[jett]

Life sentence for this waste of oxygen.

 

[iNvid02]

no, this is called the "being a cunt game".

thought even scumbags like this might have the decency not to attack a pregnant woman.

 

[Ponn]

Nobody because nothing suggests it is a formal game with rules. Just the same delinquent behavior that has always existed.

I understand what you are trying to say but unfortunately it is a trend and it is something young people are seeing and reading about and imitating. It's started to become a thing around here and never in my dreams when I first read about this in the UK a couple years ago would see it become a thing here. Just too blatant and with cops around didn't think someone would try it And yea they kind of do have rules for it now. The guy that was a victim here a couple weeks ago was walking near the beach at night and a group of teens stopped him first and asked him if had a gun. When he said no then they proceeded to try and knock him out.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

I would think the incidents themselves are enough evidence .. No?

No. A collection of incidents are not in themselves evidence for the rationale behind (if any) or causes of those incidents. This is basic logic. No amount of data simply counting occurrences can be used as evidence for a specific cause. It's evidence that (something has occurred) vs. evidence why.

 

[Kamina]

WTF?
Sick people these days.
At first i thought he had punched her belly though. That would have been even more crazy.

 

[Two Words]

The guy in the video is black. You did more than just "ask." See below.



I don't appreciate you accusing me of the bolded when by your own admission you said you don't know SHIT about this topic. You really need to drop this annoying devil's advocate crap you do in every race thread ("but I'm black!"). It's getting old.



The "knockout" game existed in some form in the 1980s in NYC and reportedly came out of Brooklyn Tech, one of the top schools in the city. Only recently it's been made into a black thing by the media in the US.

I'll admit my second statement was unfair, given the facts. But I have not been playing devil's advocate in racial topics or here. I was mistaken on a detail that led me to believe you were assuming this was a racial issue, which is my mistake. And I haven't been making any "But I'm black!" Statements either. Any time I've stated my race, it's to give context to my perspective. I don't use it as a pass to speak how I wish on the topic. So I'll apologize to jump to my conclusion and ask you to not jump to conclusions on me as well.

 

[Perspicacity]

I played a game of Knockout on the way to Rainbow Party the other day

 

[E92 M3]

Guy should be shot in the head...one less idiot to feed.

 

[Two Words]

Guy should be shot in the head...one less idiot to feed.

Oh boy.

 

[E92 M3]

Oh boy.

Yeah, it was a bit harsh. But attacking a pregnant woman is such a low. Pisses me off so much.

That stupid fuck should take on another man, I'd knock all of his teeth out.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I don't care what the reason, if you go up to some random person and try to sucker punch them so hard you knock them out, I want your ass off the streets permanently.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Lock him the fuck up. Forever if possible. Tired of society tolerating this shit. Could have fucking killed her and her unborn child.

 

[Frog-fu]

What a fucking animal. He should be locked up and the inmates should be notified of his actions. Let's see how tough he is then.

 

[diamount]

Yeah, it was a bit harsh. But attacking a pregnant woman is such a low. Pisses me off so much.

That stupid fuck should take on another man, I'd knock all of his teeth out.

No, you wouldn't because you would not see it coming, and unless you are accustomed to punches to the face, you won't have any chance of recovering quick enough to catch him.

 

[Panzon]

Jesus wtf is wrong with people. 33 years old and pulling this off? Lock this fucker away for a very long time. I'd wanna kill someone if they did this to my currently pregnant wife

 

[Mammoth Jones]

No, you wouldn't because you would not see it coming, and unless you are accustomed to punches to the face, you won't have any chance of recovering quick enough to catch him.

This. You pass thousands of people per day in your activities and then ONE random maniac decides to sucker punch you. I wouldn't have seen it coming and I tend to be very aware of my surroundings.

 

[Two Words]

What a fucking animal. He should be locked up and the inmates should be notified of his actions. Let's see how tough he is then.

Prison violence/rape isn't funny or justice. It's disturbing how the public so typically want prisons to deliver their own brand of justice. It is unconstitutional and inhumane.

 

[FartOfWar]

NYPD and The NY Post. lol

The police have lied about this before, here and in other locations. Numerous incidents that are just random acts of violence have been incorrectly attributed to the "knockout game" because nothing was stolen or the two people did not know each other. The fact is that the name implies that all these people are in-the-know about a violent game and attacking people with the sole intent of participating in this game.

There is no such evidence for such a thing.

The perp here certainly saw his actions as part of a game, says so in interview: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhNuoiR2ji0aUncB3D

Perp here charged for hate crime refers to his actions as "knockout game" in cellphone texts: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhp3Ev6Xgv6c7Y38Pz

More with a great many interviewees that do not include police or press who regard it as the knockout game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JuIbVidCI

Search youtube, liveleak, and ws for dozens of other documented instances.

No reference to the game but this guy gets a sweet treat for it: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df9_1386598427

 

[Casimir]

I wish this would no longer be referred to as "knockout game". This is assault.

Because assault is an overly broad category that includes the threat of imminent harm. And even narrowly construing it to mean actual physical violence, there are multiple reasons for assault to happen. On the other hand, Knockout game indicates a very specific reasoning for the crime.

 

[E92 M3]

No, you wouldn't because you would not see it coming, and unless you are accustomed to punches to the face, you won't have any chance of recovering quick enough to catch him.

I was talking about a straight up fight, and in general I am an overly cautious person and expect danger from any angle. Also, ultra-quick reaction time.

 

[diamount]

I was talking about a straight up fight, and in general I am an overly cautious person and expect danger from any angle. Also, ultra-quick reaction time.

Totally irrelevant, you're not the person they would target in the first place as it seems only elderly and women have been among the victims.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Because assault is an overly broad category that includes the threat of imminent harm. And even narrowly construing it to mean actual physical violence, there are multiple reasons for assault to happen. On the other hand, Knockout game indicates a very specific intent for the crime.

Call it the "Cowards game". Call it what it is. Knockouts are for two equal fighters in a ring. This shit is for cowards.

 

[Dude Abides]

I was talking about a straight up fight, and in general I am an overly cautious person and expect danger from any angle. Also, ultra-quick reaction time.

Hey look it's Spider-Man.

 

[E92 M3]

Totally irrelevant, you're not the person they would target in the first place as it seems only elderly and women have been among the victims.

Yeah, so fuck em. Little bitches targeting women and elderly people. Would've been nice if the guy got hit by a car while walking away from the scene. He could've killed the baby and the mother.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Hey look it's Spider-Man.

LMAO..holy shit! I just woke my brother from his nap. Thanks, dude!

 

[888]

Charge him with two counts of attempted murder. That is such bullshit hitting a pregnant woman. He is worth less than the scum that gathers at the bottom of a dumpster. Hitting women angers me, hitting pregnant women throws me into a rage.

 

[McLovin]

Missleading title, I thought it was a teen who hit her. This dudes probably off his meds.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Charge him with two counts of attempted murder. That is such bullshit hitting a pregnant woman. He is worth less than the scum that gathers at the bottom of a dumpster. Hitting women angers me, hitting pregnant women throws me into a rage.

Not that I blame the anger..

 

[Casimir]

Call it the "Cowards game". Call it what it is. Knockouts are for two equal fighters in a ring. This shit is for cowards.

My intent was to argue against categorizing it under the general assault label, it wasn't in support of the term Knockout game. Technically, I could make a argument for why it is more apropos than 'Fill in term', but it's personally not something I feel strongly about.

 

[NinjaMouse]

Use the Internet and back the fuck down. The guy was black and the phrase is used exclusively for acts of violence committed by black men. It's a racist, loaded phrase.

Why don't you take issue with Schattenjäger's questionable use of "knockout game?"



White teens and men have randomly attacked people before. It's never called the knockout game when they do it.

Except for this one, right? I guess "a game of knockout" is different than "knockout game":

http://cliffviewpilot.com/river-val...ch-knockout-attacks-at-massachusetts-college/

 

[chris121580]

I can't believe this is a thing! The only time I've heard the term "knockout game" used is in basketball and it's obviously a totally different meaning

 

[Jado]

Except for this one, right? I guess "a game of knockout" is different than "knockout game":

http://cliffviewpilot.com/river-val...ch-knockout-attacks-at-massachusetts-college/

First of all:

He also said the Endicott College assaults weren’t part of a “knockout” game but, instead, were his response — fueled by alcohol and performing-enhancing-drugs — to “slights’ and “insults.”

Furthermore, there is no trend in the media that attributes the knockout game to unruly white teens and young white men. In stark contrast, the article you posted has none of the coded racist language that's in every article about a black teen/man punching someone.

The perp here certainly saw his actions as part of a game, says so in interview: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhNuoiR2ji0aUncB3D

Perp here charged for hate crime refers to his actions as "knockout game" in cellphone texts: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhp3Ev6Xgv6c7Y38Pz

More with a great many interviewees that do not include police or press who regard it as the knockout game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JuIbVidCI

Search youtube, liveleak, and ws for dozens of other documented instances.

No reference to the game but this guy gets a sweet treat for it: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df9_1386598427

Where are the dozens of others? I've seen these few documented cases, including the ones you posted above. Some were years ago. Others have dubious links to any supposed trend and others are rare copycats that always pop up after media gives exposure to nonexistent trends/epidemics. Where are the many violent attacks in this supposed epidemic of violence? If you bothered to read the links I posted before, there is no solid evidence (outside of random anecdotes and copycat teens) that black/Latino/Asian/white men are out there in droves playing a racially-motivated violent game. Few of the cases are explicitly this game. The vast majority of "examples" are disparate incidents where some kid violently lashes out and the authorities or media declare it "knockout game."

 

[Timeaisis]

What the fuck.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I would think the incidents themselves are enough evidence .. No?

Only if you admit that mass shootings that take place in America are part of a larger "game" that the shooters are in on.