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PREMATURE EJACULA-TON: PS3 delayed until November 2006 in Japan?
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clearacell
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"These are merely speculation reports from another unreliable source."
AdmiralViscen
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jedimike said:
Exactly. Some people are failing to realize this.
Chittagong
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The next 24 hours will be the best in GAF ever.
jedimike said:
Still, they are citing Blu-Ray copy protection specifically - which judging from other forums means the AACS stuff which will affect HD-DVD too. However, I really don't see why this all can't be remedied with firmware upgrades over the internet. I mean, why couldn't they launch console without the Blu-Ray player functionality - when there's no content anyway - and later push a firmware upgrade over the online system that sets up everything. You turn on your PS3, get a "Please wait, updating firmware . . ." notice, then a "Congratulations, this PS3 can now play full-featured Blu-Ray discs."
Of course, AACS may require hardware keys to be imbedded in the hardware, which may be an issue. I thought preliminary AACS specifications and keys were completely like two months ago though, so it's really all very confusing.
truffleshuffle83
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even so, an 11 month head start is a pretty big deal, especially when we start seeing 360 on shelves widely available.
i guess the only thing this really means for me is it give me more time to save for the ps3 while not having to miss out on some big 360 games
i guess the only thing this really means for me is it give me more time to save for the ps3 while not having to miss out on some big 360 games
deadhorse32
Bad Art
The next few hours are gonna be very interesting
I've gotta say, it would probably benefit Sony, should this rumor prove to be true later on, to launch in North America first. The Xbox 360 without a competetor in North America is a far, far more dangerous situation for Sony than it would be in Japan. Sony can recover from not having their console in Japan past November/December, but for North America, they cannot miss the holiday season, the damage done to them for missing it could be huge.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I can't help but wonder what could have been if Nintendo launched in spring with a system as powerful as the xbox 360.
I will say this though, Sony better overhaul PS3's lackluster specifications:
* Cell with only 7x SPEs @ 3.2 GHz
* 'only' 218 GFLOPs for CELL, not even a 2x leap above the 115 GFLOPs of Xenon CPU
* 128-bit bus between RSX and GDRR3 memory for 22.4 GB/sec bandwidth
* RSX based on G70 / NV47, who's underlying architecture, NV4X was released in NV40/GeForce 6800, in spring 2004, that's 2.5 years after a November 2006 PS3 launch.
RSX had better be based on G80 / NV50 or its going to be pretty sorry since Xenos can go well beyond shader 3.0
if Sony releases PS3 with the specs announced in 2005, it had better not release for a penny more than $299.
* Cell with only 7x SPEs @ 3.2 GHz
* 'only' 218 GFLOPs for CELL, not even a 2x leap above the 115 GFLOPs of Xenon CPU
* 128-bit bus between RSX and GDRR3 memory for 22.4 GB/sec bandwidth
* RSX based on G70 / NV47, who's underlying architecture, NV4X was released in NV40/GeForce 6800, in spring 2004, that's 2.5 years after a November 2006 PS3 launch.
RSX had better be based on G80 / NV50 or its going to be pretty sorry since Xenos can go well beyond shader 3.0
if Sony releases PS3 with the specs announced in 2005, it had better not release for a penny more than $299.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
In the end, I want great games (@ launch), so take as long as you need to Ken and Co.
AdmiralViscen
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Diablos said:
??
If this is true and both the western launches are delayed till 2007 I'm really and totally disappointed with Sony also because the console would need a specs upgrade.
BUT this is from the same source which a few days before E3 2005 announced that Sony and Toshiba agreed to unify Blu Ray and HD-DVD.
So wouldn't be better to wait until tomorrow before making extreme comments?
BUT this is from the same source which a few days before E3 2005 announced that Sony and Toshiba agreed to unify Blu Ray and HD-DVD.
So wouldn't be better to wait until tomorrow before making extreme comments?
Doom_Bringer
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Dr_Cogent said:
Right! We all know who is giggling like a little school girl behind that computer screen...
White Man said:
Why was he banned?
Doom_Bringer said:
Heheheheh, seriously though. I've been looking forward to the PS3 being released. But when I read - "this can't or won't hurt Sony" - I just have to laugh.
Oh yeah, BTW - I own stock in Sony. I aint all that happy especially from an investor standpoint. Ever since their stock split years ago its been falling it seems.
So anyone want to do any predictions?
If Sony can get 10 million units out in Japan from November -> Dec 2007 and 10 million in the US from March -> Dec 2007, that gives them about 20 million (and then some extra for Euro if they make it in 2007) by the end of the year.
X360 will keep getting stronger in the US and maybe do 15million+ by Dec 2007, but then they'll never even hit 1 million in the US and Euro is I dunno.
Revolution is bomba in the US moving about 6 million from fall 2006->Dec 2007, but it does really well in Japan with about 10 million in the same timeframe. Dunno about Euro.
So my prediction is that by the end of 2007 it will be very close, but PS3 dominence in Japan and X360s failure in the region will keep them as #1 global. I think X360 does have the chance to take the US market and Rev will match X360 in global because Japan will buy it in dozens, which will support the weak US sales.
If Sony can get 10 million units out in Japan from November -> Dec 2007 and 10 million in the US from March -> Dec 2007, that gives them about 20 million (and then some extra for Euro if they make it in 2007) by the end of the year.
X360 will keep getting stronger in the US and maybe do 15million+ by Dec 2007, but then they'll never even hit 1 million in the US and Euro is I dunno.
Revolution is bomba in the US moving about 6 million from fall 2006->Dec 2007, but it does really well in Japan with about 10 million in the same timeframe. Dunno about Euro.
So my prediction is that by the end of 2007 it will be very close, but PS3 dominence in Japan and X360s failure in the region will keep them as #1 global. I think X360 does have the chance to take the US market and Rev will match X360 in global because Japan will buy it in dozens, which will support the weak US sales.
Kung Fu Jedi
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teiresias said:
What about people who don't have it hooked up to the Internet? They payed the same price as those that did, and yet they don't get the update. You see the sticky path that leads Sony down? And while a lot of Xbox owners are use to Live and have played their consoles online, many many Playstation owners will see that as a new thing.
On the subject of next-gen DVDs. A lot of people criticized Microsoft for launching the 360 without HD-DVD, but Microsoft could have easily found themselves in the same situation as Sony. Namely, that HD-DVD isn't ready to go, may still have some issues to contend with, and could have resulted in a a delay. Even at this moment, it would have caused them to miss the Christmas season, and who knows how much longer. While it would have been nice to have HD-DVD on the 360, it probably wasn't worth the delay in Microsoft's eyes.
Sony is obviously committed to BluRay, but it's cost them the "Spring Launch", although I suspect there are other issues at play here besides BluRay.
Doom_Bringer
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Dr_Cogent said:
Spreading GoW 2 scans via PM
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Where did the crow eating thread go? It is disappear!
truffleshuffle83
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its too close to say. if casuals sway to 360 it could be huge. i mean if they dont get it out by the next holiday season and people see 360's on shelves with a great linup of titles it could make a huge difference (especially if the ps3's launch titles arent that impressive). either well it bodes well for us gamers because it will be so cutthroat for our dolalrs if sony doesnt have a massive lead they do this gen
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Did Sony ever say something about releasing in the US first ?
Oct/Nov 2006 in the US & Nov/Dec 2006 in Japan sound pretty good.
Oct/Nov 2006 in the US & Nov/Dec 2006 in Japan sound pretty good.
The only good thing that could come out of this is,
a) More games at release
b) More polised games at release
c) A spec upgrade, if so, most likely due to what ought to be more RAM due to what should be falling prices on it and higher clocking parts due better yeilds on more mature tech. Or the same specs but with a HD standard, financed by the previously mentioned.
Or Sony could use this to get a smaller revenue hit on hardware at launch and simply pocket the extra money. Arguing that the current advantage over the other consoles is "good enough" and it's not worth having to update specs/devkits to the developers.
...
*cry*
a) More games at release
b) More polised games at release
c) A spec upgrade, if so, most likely due to what ought to be more RAM due to what should be falling prices on it and higher clocking parts due better yeilds on more mature tech. Or the same specs but with a HD standard, financed by the previously mentioned.
Or Sony could use this to get a smaller revenue hit on hardware at launch and simply pocket the extra money. Arguing that the current advantage over the other consoles is "good enough" and it's not worth having to update specs/devkits to the developers.
...
*cry*
AdmiralViscen
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truffleshuffle83 said:
50/50 market is bliss.
Milhouse31 said:
Sounds great in theory, but how many units available?
thestopsign
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Vennt
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truffleshuffle83
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AdmiralViscen said:
50/50 market is bliss.
exactly. with the ps2 there was no reason to go outon a limb because they already had everyones dollars (see online and HDD support), theyll have to change their way of thinking if its closer. also competition drives down prices
