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Prey 2 (System Shock 3?) Concept Docs Leaked on Torrent Site [Up: Full Slides]
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jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Holy shit, this is awesome. I'm officially on board this hype train. Need to get SS2 off GOG sometime to catch up.
It is a cliche tho.
Blade Runner is overrated too IMHO
I think just Bioshock 1 and Dead Space 1, there is also that upcoming game called Routine for PC.
Deus Ex also took a few cues from SS2.
Spiritual Successor
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Didn't expect the concept of "spiritual successor" to be so alien to this many people.
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Didn't expect the concept of "spiritual successor" to be so alien to this many people.
lastflowers
Banned
I heard System Shock 2. I'm interested.
Halo 5 and QB don't qualify as plenty
Dead rising 3, ryse , forza 5, killer instinct, project spark , battlefield, mine craft sunset over drive were all 2013/2014
The thought of a System Shock title reimagined as a modern AAA action RPG makes me positively gassy with unease.
Seriously, think Tomb Raider 2013 or any of the other cinematic third person action adventure abominations. That's the nightmarish future that Shodan envisioned: a future in which a good hacker always gets salt in his eyes.
Seriously, think Tomb Raider 2013 or any of the other cinematic third person action adventure abominations. That's the nightmarish future that Shodan envisioned: a future in which a good hacker always gets salt in his eyes.
If this is real, then I truly feel sorry for the people at Arkane. Everything seems to leak from this project. Imagine having ideas and not being sure they'll be kept secret to develop them more. They'd have to keep changing the game or eventually release it with people knowing what it is about.
Funkyhamster
Member
Wait, do any of those plots have anything to do with Prey aside from just having aliens? And if not, is Prey really that highly regarded of an IP that it's worth shoehorning a game into being its sequel? I remember people being slightly underwhelmed by the original Prey and forgetting about it pretty fast...
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Does anyone really mind the Neon City Blade Runner cliche?
But it sounds well. Remember, Arkane, if any of those press sneak fucks asks, this shit is fake, you are doing something that is totally not Prey 2.
But it sounds well. Remember, Arkane, if any of those press sneak fucks asks, this shit is fake, you are doing something that is totally not Prey 2.
MrCunningham
Member
Yeah, the first Prey was alright, but it wasn't one of the most memorable FPS's out there. The real hype around Prey came from its long and twisted development cycle with 3D Realms. Early tech demo's from E3 1998 showed off really impressive things for the time that had people excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L29DSSQT3Ek . Like a custom built engine, which used a BSP system for portals as well as dynamic portals that the player could drop anywhere (9 years before Portal), detailed graphics that could run on fairly modest PC specs, and some destructible environments. But this version of Prey was canceled due to team walk outs.
The revived Prey from 2005 was missing some features seen in these early demos, and I think the final game became a lot more linear.in design from what they originally had.
To be honest, they could probably call this game anything they want and it wouldn't really phase me much. It looks cool, it doesn't seem to have much in common with the first one outside of aliens.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
It is strange for them to go for a spiritual successor to SS2 angle, but I'd be lying if I said that didn't raise my hype.
None of the pitches sound as interesting as Human Head's game. They don't seem to be playing to the strengths of Crytek. 
RIP Human Head's Prey 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkHZfjK5z4
RIP Human Head's Prey 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkHZfjK5z4
None of the pitches sound as interesting as Human Head's game. They don't seem to be playing to the strengths of Crytek.
RIP Human Head's Prey 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkHZfjK5z4
That demo is still looking amazing. Open world Space WRPG ;_;
This truly looked amazing. Man, why does this crap happenNone of the pitches sound as interesting as Human Head's game. They don't seem to be playing to the strengths of Crytek.
RIP Human Head's Prey 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkHZfjK5z4
Frankly just aiming for that is enough to get me interested. Even if it ends up a pale imitation it will still be more interesting than most FPS games.
Indrid Cold
Unconfirmed Member
In what world is alien(re Giger's) style cliche? Or over used? In any medium. Cuz I want to live in that one lol
Or, they will finally act like adults and stop throwing fits every time a general plot and or involved actor is leaked. You know, like how the entire movie industry works, yet somehow manages to release successful products.
Funkyhamster
Member
Wow, that was pretty cool. It's great that all the innovations of the original demo ended up appearing in real games years later, but it's a shame Prey itself had none of them.
This truly looked amazing. Man, why does this crap happen
We don't know for sure. there are many theories and talk about what happened between Zenimax and Human Head but honestly I found most of it most of them really hard to believe (especially since it seems that most guys left HH before that project dies) Human Head could revive it as a KS project if it was more than a demo like they said with new name and stuff but yeah there is more to this story than the few stuff that we know.
This industry need its own TMZ I guess.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
If they in any way attempt to revive their project that was developed under Zenimax they will get sued to the moon and back.
While this whole document screams of fandom wish list, it does so for good reason. This would be incredible if actually executed properly.
What? They were both streamlined, but in different ways. Level design and encounter design were way more complex in Bioshock. The only complexity that Dead Space's inventory added was having to manage upgrade macguffins and schematics. Bioshock had less linear level design, hacking, multiple plasmids, multiple ammo types, traps, player initiated combat, and the whole synergy of environmental hazards/uses and the Big Daddy ecosystem ("emergent design").
I say this as a big fan of both games.
BlackLagoon
Member
I do belive Smith worked on the original System Shock. And the spiritual successor to SS2 talk originaly came up when it was first leaked that Arkane was taking over Prey 2.
Zenimax would own all the code and assets.
EA did own the System Shock trademark:
Following LG's closure, Shock 2 itself has always been owned by Star Insurance (a subsidiary of Meadowbrook).
NumberThree
Member
Except that it is one of the greatest games of all time. That's the point of it being a spiritual successor, they can't make a proper successor but they want to make a game just like the old one.
It's one sentence you can use to describe the game and a bunch of people will instantly know what you're going for.
Something like what FromSoftware did with Dark Souls (which was Demons Souls 2 in everything and Sony didn't sue them) could've worked I guess. like change the game name to like "Space Aline Hunter" and change story and remove Zenimax own like music and other stuff and start with the base and Kickstart it.
I think it could be done.
Shock 2 remains one of my favorite PC games of all time but I guarantee it could work on a gamepad with little problem.
Deus Ex Human Revolution didn't go all the way but it had a full grid-based inventory that worked beautifully. If that route were explored further I think it could work for a Shock game.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/227321234/Prey-2-Document-1
http://www.scribd.com/doc/227321489/Prey-2-Document-2
The documents for reference. Wonder if they're real. The 1950s thing from the first doc sounds insaneI hope they're pursuing that.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/227321489/Prey-2-Document-2
The documents for reference. Wonder if they're real. The 1950s thing from the first doc sounds insaneI hope they're pursuing that.
Not quite true. From the comments of a former Human Head developers YT channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkHZfjK5z4
I'm both glad to have this kind of insight on the genesis of a project, and at the same time it really sucks that this kind of thing is made available. I don't really care for trailer/images/info leaks, but internal docs, man, with the exact word by word of the dude that wrote them, that's just sick.
It's not "hype", it's a high level intention that was written on an internal document that nobody was supposed to see.
We'll see how they market it, that is if it does come out in the next 5 years.
Also, all the bulletpoints you quoted are pretty much standard stuff for Arkane. Most of them (if not all) are in Dishonored.
It's not "hype", it's a high level intention that was written on an internal document that nobody was supposed to see.
We'll see how they market it, that is if it does come out in the next 5 years.
Also, all the bulletpoints you quoted are pretty much standard stuff for Arkane. Most of them (if not all) are in Dishonored.
Yeah, that made me laugh. It's a little too obvious.
Sentenza
Gold Member
The easy answer would be "not enough good ones".
EDIT- Case in point: people are already mentioning Bioshock, as if it actually filled that gap.
BlackLagoon
Member
From had a major publisher funding them, were working on a far less ambitious game - one that was primarily acclaimed for its combat system, and were free to reuse the same engine as Demon's Souls. Not to mention Sony clearly felt it was their own fault for dropping the ball on Demon's Souls, and were interested in maintaining a good relationship with From.
Human Head would be on their own, starting from scratch (Prey 2 ran on IDTech), need far, far more money than any game ever got from Kickstarter, and have Zenimax breathing down their necks looking for any opportunity to sue (which they've repeatedly proven they will).
So, unless you'd be happy with the game re-imagined as a stylized 2D platformer, I don't see Kickstarter as an option.
Actually, that's the exact situation I was describing. Zenimax/Bethesda owns the game code and assets, so even though they have them in their possession, Human Head still can't do anything with them.
Gusy
Member
Yeah.. no. This one its a little too weird for me to believe.
However, how cool woud be a System Shock 2 port for the 3DS? When switching to the interactive view the game briefly moves down to the touch screen to manipulate stuff. In the action view it moves back up so you can navigate the Von Braun in 3D. Touch up the 3d models a little bit.. good to go! Would love to have that game with me everywhere I go.
However, how cool woud be a System Shock 2 port for the 3DS? When switching to the interactive view the game briefly moves down to the touch screen to manipulate stuff. In the action view it moves back up so you can navigate the Von Braun in 3D. Touch up the 3d models a little bit.. good to go! Would love to have that game with me everywhere I go.
None of the pitches sound as interesting as Human Head's game. They don't seem to be playing to the strengths of Crytek.
RIP Human Head's Prey 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkHZfjK5z4
Such a shame they blew it Zenimax/Bethesda that is..we will never see this.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Maybe not so much cliche as it is saturated. But what can I say; the guy was absolutely amazing and the biggest influence in scifi designs for some decades now.
With them saying that....are they gonna challenge the King?
The way I see it, that probably just don't want any enemy designs that look like a Xenomorph twin...and for certain reasons (copyright especially), I can see what they're thinking.
Basically they want to invoke the feel of Giger/Alien designs but not coming off as creatively bankrupt copycats of his work.
Sentenza
Gold Member
I don't know. Of course it could be a fake, but the pitch sounds exactly like the kind of games Arkane Studios loves to make.
SomedayTheFire
Member
What does Prey have to do with System Shock 2? Why would Zenimax make a spiritual successor to it?
Byron Bluth
Banned
If they are using the old code names for the PS4 and X1 then this has to be old.
At least over a year.
At least over a year.