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Project Q: 18 years in the making, made for the future of two gaming ecosystems

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2005 -- A patent application is filed for a PSP DualShock dock. The thinking behind the invention was that PS1/PS2 games would be “ported for execution on the portable gaming platform. Therefore, it would be best if “the user can utilize substantially, if not identically, the same control sequence as used with the console system.” The bolded text is the basic premise of a future PS handheld under Ken Kutaragi's leadership.

2006 -- Kutaragi files two patent applications. The first is for a remote play controller, the second is for using the controller as a lift-to-wake universal remote. Gaming on the controller was limited to Remote Play, accessing games hosted on a server and downloadable mini-games (e.g., PS Minis and probably PS Mobile games) playable from internal storage. In all likelihood, this remote play controller was his PSP successor; but it was shelved with the DualShock dock and ultimately abandoned in favor of its derivative, the PS Vita and alternative, the Xperia Play.

2014 -- Gaikai’s David Perry is interviewed:
Do you ever wish the Vita had some extra shoulder buttons to match the DualShock?
Yeah, that’s what we need. I agree. It’s funny because you know I hope we get involved in more and more conversations as we become integrated into more things at Sony. These are the kind of conversations I really want to have.

2016 -- Kutaragi’s remote play controller application gets updated from ‘abandoned’ status to ‘active’ status. The change in status comes when PS Vita is shaky and on the ropes. By this time, Gaikai is a few years into its integration with SIE and the DualSense is in development. The climate is ripe for David Perry to have conversations about the need for a DualSense cloud-gaming controller.

May 18, 2019 -- A patent application is filed for a ‘Network Connected Controller for Direct to Cloud Gaming’. David Perry is listed as one of its co-inventors, despite having left SIE in 2017. Sections of the application say that the device can be DualShock-like, have an integrated display and connect directly to cloud-gaming servers over Wi-Fi. This application is published two days after Kutaragi’s newly active remote play controller application is ‘granted’ (i.e., protected against infringement). SIE enters the final stage of clearing its IP for Project Q'taragi to get underway.

May 21, 2019 -- Jim Ryan tells investors/analysts that SIE plans to “maximize off-console opportunity” as a feature of PS Now. Offering a direct-to-cloud DualShock-like controller that has an integrated tablet-sized display is an obvious way to maximize PS Now's potential. At this point, Project Q is inevitable.

2020 -- Project Q's general design appears in a patent application under the guise of a DualShock 4 backbone for smartphones.

2021 -- A patent application is filed for a motion-sensing ‘Universal control’ feature that builds on Kutaragi’s lift-to-wake universal remote control application. One of the co-inventors (Rui Yang) was a Qualcomm Sr. System Test Engineer before moving to Intel to deliver a Bluetooth solution for Windows and Android platforms. Both applications seem to hint that Project Q will also act as a universal remote control for a range of electronics.

2023 -- Video surfaces of Project Q running Android. SIE choosing to go with Android makes bringing their mobile games to the handheld highly likely, and makes the approval of VoWifi apps like NumberSync a strong possibility. Unlike smartphones, Project Q is poised to be a precision mobile gaming device; while facilitating the kind of communication that Kutaragi was once wary of.

Beyond 2023

Jim Ryan believes that “cloud technology will become a meaningful component of how gamers access games between 2025 and 2035”.

Project Q's remote play has its place, but SIE didn’t acquire Gaikai and buy OnLive's choicest patents only for remote play to be its sole purpose.

I think Project Q exists to bridge the divides between home console gaming, cloud-gaming, shared multi-player gaming and mobile gaming in a PS-centric way; but not only to bridge the divides within gaming, the divides between gaming, entertainment and communication as well.

This will bare itself out across PSN, social networks and individual experiences as Project Q leverages PS Plus, Share Play, Share Screen, etc. in the coming years; and if paired with a PS pass-through streamer (i.e, a streaming only PS TV successor that attaches to Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, etc.), create a situation where Project Q seriously competes against Switch 2 on price and Xbox's rumored Keystone on features.

Slowly but surely, it's all coming together. When it does, SIE will find itself in an extremely enviable position.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Dog Reaction GIF
 

Dorfdad

Gold Member
I really really hope Sony has some more depth to the Q then just a portable ps5 home streaming device as everyone seems to be mentioning.

Is it possible the device is a Sony designed android tablet that can detach from the controller for standard use / slide into the controller for gaming? Allowing you to upgrade the tablet year after year for spec upgrades? They keep mentioning price points compared to switch and s/x but as a limited device for gaming only no way I see people paying 300 for such a device.

Eagerly awaiting more news on this. Maybe it will work with local ps5 and launch with a full GeForce now kinda cloud component for all PlayStation games going forward??

Ps that screen better be good damn good!

Wish people would stop shitting on cloud so much. It’s a super exciting development but it’s going to take some time to get there.
 
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acm2000

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i mean there is a big difference between "a hot take" and a "steaming hot take".....

i will let everyone else decide which this is.
 
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DR3AM

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Project Q was meant to run on dial up.
 

midnightAI

Banned
Well I'll be buying one if the price is reasonable. The TV is used a lot by the missus or kids, or I'm watching TV and kids want to go on PS5 so end up fighting each other cos that's what kids do. It will get loads of use, and I know I'm not the only one in this situation.

I'm guessing many who turn their nose up at it are single or have a separate games room?
 

Sleepwalker

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Well I'll be buying one if the price is reasonable. The TV is used a lot by the missus or kids, or I'm watching TV and kids want to go on PS5 so end up fighting each other cos that's what kids do. It will get loads of use, and I know I'm not the only one in this situation.

I'm guessing many who turn their nose up at it are single or have a separate games room?
Not really but we have more than 1 tv so it's never really a problem. No kids tho, and no intention of having them for now so it's just the wife and I.

I do like a handheld, just not cloud only.
 

midnightAI

Banned
Not really but we have more than 1 tv so it's never really a problem. No kids tho, and no intention of having them for now so it's just the wife and I.

I do like a handheld, just not cloud only.
If it's direct connection to PS5 then it won't be using cloud will it?
 

midnightAI

Banned
Rather, stream only is what I meant. My bad.

Funnily enough this really should have a cloud option.
Oh, I'm sure it definitely will, but I think primary use will be local second screen (in the same building)

I wonder if two 1080p signals can be sent out at the same time and then you could use two devices for multiplayer (that would have to be made specifically for these devices though of course)
 

Lunarorbit

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What are these responses? Project Q is happening and even though it's a half step towards true mobility for ps5 it's small progress.

Nowhere in the ops write up do they say it's gonna compete directly with switch or steam.

I get it. It's like ps TV which very few people bought. I have it and it was another half measure but I still liked it. It's either Q or a backbone for now. I don't get the negativity in this thread.
 

El Muerto

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I'm sure Sony envisioned creating an android tablet with a controller permanently attached for 18 years. Q is a last minute, half-baked idea. Unless they're going to do something radically different like allowing to play our PSP and Vita games on it, then the handheld is not going to be something special. Plenty of devices and addons that allow us to do PS remote play.
 

midnightAI

Banned
What are these responses? Project Q is happening and even though it's a half step towards true mobility for ps5 it's small progress.

Nowhere in the ops write up do they say it's gonna compete directly with switch or steam.

I get it. It's like ps TV which very few people bought. I have it and it was another half measure but I still liked it. It's either Q or a backbone for now. I don't get the negativity in this thread.
Me neither, but guess:
I don't want thing so thing is bad.

However, I think many may just be disagreeing with the OP rather than the idea of Project Q
(The OP does read like a certain banned user who used to plug the Apple AR headset while simultaneously slaying all other VR headsets especially PSVR 2). Some are straight up trolling though.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm curious why people think Sony wouldn't just announce the thing as a cloud device, and instead say it's for remote play?
 

jm89

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I'm curious why people think Sony wouldn't just announce the thing as a cloud device, and instead say it's for remote play?
Possibly cloud intregration into the q still being a work in progress. I've seen others say "remote play" could mean both, both streaming directly from ps5 and streaming from a cloud service could be considered remote play, but that might be a bit of a stretch.
 
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DeepEnigma

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I'm curious why people think Sony wouldn't just announce the thing as a cloud device, and instead say it's for remote play?
That's what I'm expecting. It's running Android after all, isn't it? Also should have Wi-Fi for the Wi-Fi 6 connectivity with the PS5.
 
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Mr Hyde

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I would be all over Q as a companion piece if it weren't so ugly and whose sole purpose is remote play. Im not busting out that hideous device in public, I would feel embarrassed.

However, I'm much more interested in Playstation earbuds that was presented alongside the Q. Those looked generally great and would be a perfect fit for PS5 and for casual use, listening to music. I have a pair of ROG Cetra right now, which are very good and nice looking, but they suffer from a little bit of latency, so I hope Sony can come up with something better.
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That's what I'm expecting. It's running Android after all, isn't it? Also should have Wi-Fi for the Wi-Fi 6 connectivity with the PS5.
I am not convinced Sony wants people to be able to play PS5 games w/o a PS5 is all.

We'll see, they are sometimes just coy about stuff.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Possibly cloud intregration into the q still being a work in progress. I've seen others say "remote play" could mean both, both streaming directly from ps5 and streaming from a cloud service could be considered remote play, but that might be a bit of a stretch.

They are fairly explicit in their little blurb on the site:
Project Q
Project Q is a dedicated Remote Play device that lets you stream compatible games installed on your PS5 console over Wi-Fi*. It features a beautiful 8-inch HD screen and all the buttons and features of the DualSense® wireless controller.

We all know what Remote Play means, but "compatible games installed on your PS5 console over Wi-Fi" makes it pretty clear they aren't stretching it to mean "Cloud Streaming" lol


Could that change? Sure. But just because the device "can" do something doesn't mean Sony wants it to do that. There is nothing stopping them from letting you use PS4 controllers to play PS5 games either lol
 
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rofif

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I mean, we all really mostly use handhelds in home... so why not play high quality 1080p60 version of a game on that handeld (directly from ps5 that is).
That said, this is still a handheld and even I would like an option to take it out of home.

And it's just an android without even an oled screen :(
I might get it because why not but seeing that I have all my games on discs, whats the fucking point
 

Dorfdad

Gold Member
Well I'll be buying one if the price is reasonable. The TV is used a lot by the missus or kids, or I'm watching TV and kids want to go on PS5 so end up fighting each other cos that's what kids do. It will get loads of use, and I know I'm not the only one in this situation.

I'm guessing many who turn their nose up at it are single or have a separate games room?
Seems alot of people just not tolerant of anything outside traditional gaming experiences. We’re entering a hybrid period for gamers the initial stages of a cloud gaming environment and the ending of traditional consoles. All these companies are going to be offering both a cloud and local component going forward.
 
People just want better than a $300 streaming only device. The design of the thing really does look like they just slapped a dualsense on the ends of the thing.

Why not a Vita 2 that not only streams but is also a powerful kickass handheld that plays ps5 games?
 
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