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[Erigu]

I don't think it shits on Darwinism because Darwinism doesn't explain where the first piece of biological "cell" came from.

But it says life evolves because of natural selection, and I doubt natural selection would be very interested in eventually coming up with one species that would be nigh identical to the Engineers...
Either that's a huge coincidence, or the DNA was "programmed somehow" (not natural selection), or the Engineers were constantly intervening to "push" our ancestors' DNA in "the right direction" (not natural selection either).
(and whatever the case, I'd say cloning would have been a lot less troublesome.)

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

Yep. David somehow knew that Shaw's father died of Ebola. At least, I think that's what he said. He whispered it so it was a little hard to hear.

Thought so. Thanks. Probably from the memory scans. Speaking of, the memory of her mother looked kinda weird to me.

 

[Shouta]

Reacting to what humans? The space jokeys are already dead when the humans get there. They got killed by something.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be exactly as the dude said in the movie (cause that's why he said it, it was the "let's tell the audience that didn't figure it out yet what's happening!"): just a bio weapon that turned back on the space jokeys, and they originally wanted to go back to Earth to kill the humans with those weapons, which is what the jokey wants to do when he gets waken up (but then why did he wait to get waken up if he could have done it himself before anyway?).

Any way you look at it the story makes no sense. What killed some of the engineers in the bedroom?

The inference is that they stopped going to Earth 2000 years ago because there were no indications within the civilization of the Engineers showing up, i.e. the space marking. The corpses are also about 2000 years old. So the idea is that they visited Earth, something went wrong, they left but were killed by something when they reached 223. Going by the fact the the goo doesn't react to David but does so with humans, it may have been contact with humans that caused the goo 200 years ago to mutate and then killed the Engineers.

It should be pointed out that the goo doesn't negatively react to the Engineers' presence as evidenced by the opening sequence, aside from ingesting it. The goo was also on the ship and if it reacted negatively to Engineers, it would create creatures that they could do nothing about, rampantly. When you consider that, the ship wasn't actually a bomber but maybe a ship meant to colonize planets with life so the Engineers could study them.

 

[Spectral Glider]

The Geologist. LOL.

The dude who maps rocks and caves, gets lost in one.



Once again, I don't actually mind this. I thought that was set up well enough where it doesn't need to be answer. Its just a question driving the characters. The extraterrestrial force or divine force that is compelling her to continue.

His whole character sucked and so did the acting. If they didn't make him an angry asshole and instead just had him as more of a loner, investigative type they could have had him leaving the group to explore rock structures or something on his own and then getting left behind instead of him just rage quitting cause he's a dick and then getting lost cause he's fucking dumb. In this regard, I thought most of the characters were paper thin and a lot of the acting to be of TV movie quality.

 

[pargonta]

So basically,

In Alien, it was
Egg->facehugger->chestburster->classic xenomorph

in Prometheus, it is
black ooze+worm->snake facehugger
black ooze+human->strong zombie
black ooze+human+intercourse->squid chestburster->squid facehugger/+engineer->proto xenomorph chestburster based presumably on facehugger size.

huh... well I enjoyed the movie. All these writing gaffes are a shame... I really want to see it again going in with a religious perspective to pick up on all that.

I had fun but man these flaws are annoying to think about. characters, writing and all that.

 

[Ether_Snake]

The inference is that they stopped going to Earth 2000 years ago because there were no indications within the civilization of the Engineers showing up, i.e. the space marking. The corpses are also about 2000 years old. So the idea is that they visited Earth, something went wrong, they left but were killed by something when they reached 223. Going by the fact the the goo doesn't react to David but does so with humans, it may have been contact with humans that caused the goo 200 years ago to mutate and then killed the Engineers.

It should be pointed out that the goo doesn't negatively react to the Engineers' presence as evidenced by the opening sequence, aside from ingesting it. The goo was also on the ship and if it reacted negatively to Engineers, it would create creatures that they could do nothing about, rampantly. When you consider that, the ship wasn't actually a bomber but maybe a ship meant to colonize planets with life so the Engineers could study them.

Ehhhhh, they lured humans to that planet, with the star markings thingies. But it turns out that planet is just full of tit-bases with ships full of pods with black goo?

And I really don't see how humans would be responsible for things going down on a planet so far away. And it is never clear at all what happened, did they die by getting shot at? Sickness? Why did the other ones who got in the bedroom die?

It's really fuzzy. That's of course ignoring all the other horrible problems with the script, which might just indicate how nonsensical the whole thing really is.

 

[SLEEPS7ALK3R]

HOLY FUCK! WHAT AN OPENING SEQUENCE!

When that dude took his robe off I was like:

Yup, he's God... Look at him! He's fucking BEAUTIFUL !

I could see that being how a human would look like at peak physical potential. Great.

Now, rest of the movie:

Charlie's got to be one of the most obnoxious characters ever written. The guy doesn't act like a scientist, doesn't speak like one either, and is as useless as he is a douchebag.

Their entire endeavour seems quite incongruous with the setting of the movie. The things they do and say are too dumb sometimes for someone living nearly a century from now and supposedly qualified enough to be that far from Earth. Definitely fumbled script. Things don't start to pick up until Weiland wakes up.

Now, why are the supermen making superlethal black goo? Why is one seen drinking the damn thing as a whole fleet ditches him? Was he poisoning the water? "Martian piss" ? lol

Anyway, I remember an eerie moment in one of the Alien movies (can't remember which one) was when one of the crew members says the Alien is partly human. That shit blew my mind when the black jizz turned out to be the reason those slimy buggers exist.

Guy ingests black jizz > Fucks girl > human jizzbaby is born > Perfect being ingests jizzbaby = Perfect human black jizz baby AKA Xenomorph lives!

WOOOH SCIENCE!

NVM: Reading cavelorn's write up (so effing tired).

 

[CFMOORE!]

i really liked the movie and will admit there are some big flaws here, but man, the people in here shitting on it with absolutely stupid arguments make this one of the worst threads around right now.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Easily one of the worst turds of the year. This piece of shit should have never been made! Poor Charlize looked embarrassed to be part of it in every single frame.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Every human born is a human jizz baby. That's how it works, bro.

 

[Oozer3993]

The actor who plays Charlie only plays douchebags. The O.C., 24, Prometheus. If he plays a character, it's pretty much guaranteed that you're going to want to punch him in the face.

 

[Shouta]

Ehhhhh, they lured humans to that planet, with the star markings thingies. But it turns out that planet is just full of tit-bases with ships full of pods with black goo?

And I really don't see how humans would be responsible for things going down on a planet so far away. And it is never clear at all what happened, did they die by getting shot at? Sickness? Why did the other ones who got in the bedroom die?

It's really fuzzy. That's of course ignoring all the other horrible problems with the script, which might just indicate how nonsensical the whole thing really is.

I think you're starting to jumble it all too much.

Now that I think about it, it was an invitation, not luring. They visited several times and met with various cultures that shared the same outlook as they did. They believed it was going well and left a marking out there to invite humans when they were able to travel the stars. Friendly terms and the like.

However, on their last visit to Earth, something went wrong, which is why there were no markings left in that period of time despite the markings showing up in multiple civilizations previously. It had to be them because of the amount of time that passed and the geographical differences.

So when the last time the engineers came back, something went amiss. One has to assume that the goo came into contact with humans, produced something dangerous, and that was brought back to Lv-223 where it killed the Engineers.

There are questions in there but piecing out what happens with the clues in the story makes a little clearer as to what is going on.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

The actor who plays Charlie only plays douchebags. The O.C., 24, Prometheus. If he plays a character, it's pretty much guaranteed that you're going to want to punch him in the face.

I would have wanted to if he wasn't so hot. But he was a total dick.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Ok I get what you mean, but the movie does not make any of this purposeful to itself. It would tie with the name "Prometheus" if one of them did something on Earth with the humans that fucked things up for the "gods", but it's too big of a point to just leave it all blurry.

I hate when a movie plans a sequel within itself.

 

[SLEEPS7ALK3R]

Every human born is a human jizz baby. That's how it works, bro.

Ok, let's call it "blackjizz" for convenience's sake.

Human blackjizz baby.

I actually laughed when grown ass blackjizz baby deepthroated that dude at the end and passes out on top of him. I was like "It came."

 

[vas_a_morir]

You know what was weird to me? It looked like they had a mural/carving/statue of the xenomorph in that one room. Like they worship it or something. I don't know, it was only for a second. I want to see that whole scene again.

 

[pargonta]

You know what was weird to me? It looked like they had a mural/carving/statue of the xenomorph in that one room. Like they worship it or something. I don't know, it was only for a second. I want to see that whole scene again.

almost like they're trying to recreate that image, find the right combination of mutations

lol yeah that image was great. that was classic xenomorph design too... that head, so beautiful.

 

[Ether_Snake]

You know what was weird to me? It looked like they had a mural/carving/statue of the xenomorph in that one room. Like they worship it or something. I don't know, it was only for a second. I want to see that whole scene again.

It was Jesus.

The humans rejected Xeno-Jesus 2000 years ago. The engineers decided to kill us all!

In Prometheus 2, the aliens will change their mind, cause Chazam got her crucifix around her neck.

 

[SLEEPS7ALK3R]

almost like they're trying to recreate that image, find the right combination of mutations

lol yeah that image was great. that was classic xenomorph design too... that head, so beautiful.

Did you wonder why the creators were running away just before that one got decapitated by the door? I never figured out why.

 

[SLEEPS7ALK3R]

almost like they're trying to recreate that image, find the right combination of mutations

lol yeah that image was great. that was classic xenomorph design too... that head, so beautiful.

Did you wonder why the creators were running away just before that one got decapitated by the door? I never figured out why.

 

[Shouta]

You know what was weird to me? It looked like they had a mural/carving/statue of the xenomorph in that one room. Like they worship it or something. I don't know, it was only for a second. I want to see that whole scene again.

Actually, it was two images. I think it was one of an Engineer being all kind and shit and then the one of the Xenomorph, if I recall it correctly. If I'm right, that usually signals two halves and opposites. Perfection/Life giving elements through what the Engineers are doing and the Xenomorphs being death.

 

[pargonta]

Did you wonder why the creators were running away just before that one got decapitated by the door? I never figured out why.

yeah I was wondering about that too. I assumed it was a bad reaction with the black ooze, or maybe some creature breakout.

 

[SLEEPS7ALK3R]

yeah I was wondering about that too. I assumed it was a bad reaction with the black ooze, or maybe some creature breakout.

Seriously do read cavalorn's analysis. Lots of allegories and parallels that give the film's seemingly nonsensical plot points a lot of meaning.

 

[vas_a_morir]

I think what I loved about this movie was the sense of discovery. Seeing those linear structures on a distant planet would chill me to the bone if I were there. It would only get worse from there.

If anything, they didn't seem surprised enough. Maybe they had already sent out probes? If they hadn't... well, they probably should've. Yet, I understand that time was short before the benefactor died, so I guess that explains that.

 

[zoukka]

This also bugged me. Pearce did well, but talk about shoehorning in something super pointless. Like Theron he added nothing to the story.

Weyland had an important role to play. He was the nerd GAF deserves, who didn't want to accept "natural order" and reached for immortality with his immense capital. His death and his final sentence was one of the key moments in the movies thematic expression.

 

[Gvaz]

SPECTAGRAPH

This next-generation device, used by Weyland geologists and engineers, surveys unknown planetary terrain in the pre-terraforming process. An omni-directional laser live-maps 3D topography and sends the detailed scanned images to the viewing platform. A new hyper-conducting spherical shell allows smooth, self-propelled flight in any atmosphere. Polymer film bio-sensors can detect airborne toxins and life forms down to 500 nanometers.

I'm sure they couldn't detect those worms....

SYNAPSE REESTABLISHER

Another remarkable technological feat from Weyland scientists, the Synapse Reestablisher, through precise, minute electrical innervation, awakens dormant neurons in the brain tissue of deceased or dying patients. This delicate technology is highly sensitive and restricted to a select group of doctors and scientists. The 9 existing Reestablishers have been in use for the past 2 years in medical schools and biotech research centers for experimental use only, pending FDA investigation.

How they revived the head

 

[zoukka]

How they revived the head

They didn't revive it unless twitching due to electric currency is living.

 

[border]

Seriously do read cavalorn's analysis. Lots of allegories and parallels that give the film's seemingly nonsensical plot points a lot of meaning.

I kinda wanted to stop reading as soon as I saw "Livejournal."

The idea that the goo is life-giving in the hands of the Engineers and horribly mutating gook in the hands of humans is hardly a given. The film also specifically leads you to believe that it is a bio-weapon.

 

[Surface of Me]

The most stupid complaint I have heard has been about the two guys willfully committing suicide with the captain. It could be have been executed ever, but would you really take your chances on the planet that has brought nothing but death with only a small pod for two years and no chance of coming back to Earth? Me and my friend in the theater both agreed that was a better alternative at the time rather than taking the chances on the planet. Hell if I was Shaw and David hadn't said he can pilot the ships, I probably would have just taken my helmet off on the planet, because suffocation seemed like the easiest way to go.

 

[Shouta]

I kinda wanted to stop reading as soon as I saw "Livejournal."

The idea that the goo is life-giving in the hands of the Engineers and horribly mutating gook in the hands of humans is hardly a given. The film also specifically leads you to believe that it is a bio-weapon.

Only the expedition humans think so in the movie. The opening scene shows the goo totally disassembling an Engineer into genetic material and dissolving into water, hence the beginnings of life. It didn't create a xenomorph like it did with Holloway. The material doesn't react to David either as it was on his finger up until the point that he lets Holloway drink it in alcohol.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Just got back.

Man, I LOVED it! As a fan of the Weyland (-Yutani) lore, this was just fantastic. Gave meaning to the crash on LV-426 and the distress beckon and how that relates to the bio-weapon experiments that they were doing on LV-223. Loved the fact that the different canisters had different effects on different hosts--it was truly laboratory in space.

One question though: I thought that they seeded Earth in the hopes to return one day and test their bio-weapons on us. Did people here get that same feeling?

Loved how it set the stage to divert the series into a different direction while keeping the main connection with the Engineers that reaches across both.

While I absolutely loved it, I know the vast majority of the people in my group (I went with a LARGE group) hated it and I can totally see why someone would.

Ridley Scott didn't remake Alien (as a lot of the people I talked to wanted him to) and that pissed a lot of people off.

They wanted Alien 0, but JUST LIKE Alien and were very upset they didn't get it.

 

[border]

Only the expedition humans think so in the movie. The opening scene shows the goo totally disassembling an Engineer into genetic material and dissolving into water, hence the beginnings of life. It didn't create a xenomorph like it did with Holloway. The material doesn't react to David either as it was on his finger up until the point that he lets Holloway drink it in alcohol.

The bioweapon line is there to explain to dumb-dumbs in the audience what's happening. I really don't think it's a red herring of any sort.

If the Engineers are this benevolent society that knows the value of life and self-sacrifice and actually they are trying to escape the human beings who have corrupted their wonderful life-giving goo, why are they trying to return to Earth at the film's end? Moreover, how did the corrupted goo get back to the Engineer planet?

 

[Ether_Snake]

They wanted Alien 0, but JUST LIKE Alien and were very upset they didn't get it.

That's not what I wanted nor expected, but I wanted a decent script, not this crap.

As for the weapon-thingy, I am pretty sure that things are supposed to be as the movie clearly spelled out: aliens created humans, made bio weapon, aliens fucked up, aliens want to kill humans (how exactly do we even know this?), shazam wants to go to the alien planet to find out why they want to kill mankind.

edit: Another thing, the aliens that ran away and the one that got his head chopped, did they run straight into the head-room? Isn't that place a dead-end? And why is there a PILE of dead engineers? Doesn't it imply that other aliens killed those guys and piled them up or something? They all had helmets on still. And there really is no explanation as to why the other dudes ran into the deck room, played the flute, and then died or everything turned off or something, except one went to sleep, yet the ship never took off?

 

[subrock]

2 outstanding questions in my mind:

What was happening in the first scene where the guy took a swig of goo? where was he? Why did he do that?

If the engineers never reached earth, why are all the cave paintings on earth there? how did we come from them if they never made contact?

 

[SLEEPS7ALK3R]

I kinda wanted to stop reading as soon as I saw "Livejournal."

The idea that the goo is life-giving in the hands of the Engineers and horribly mutating gook in the hands of humans is hardly a given. The film also specifically leads you to believe that it is a bio-weapon.

Okay, let's put it this way. If in the sequel it's still explained as a bio weapon, and the "engineers" turn out to be another random breed of space assholes, I'm going to be disappointed.

It doesn't make sense after all those allegories and references to leave the "power of God" as a complete mystery.

The unobtanium goo is an interesting plot device at least. They should go from there.

 

[kingocfs]

I came out liking it despite the super vague plot and weird pacing.

Honestly the visuals are just so totally stunning that it's worth the price of admission alone.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I bet we'll find out that humans "rebelled against the gods" (fallen angel story). Watch that: in Prometheus 2, we'll see HUMANS in space, humans who have used alien-technology for thousands of years now. They are fighting the engineers, that's why the engineers want to kill humans, and why the giant dude fights them when he sees them. That would be likely, since there is a need for humans in the movie, can't just be David and Chav.

It would also explain who attacked the engineers on that planet, the pile of bodies, etc. It was humans who killed them.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

That's not what I wanted nor expected, but I wanted a decent script, not this crap.

I didn't think the script was crap but to each their own.

As for the weapon-thingy, I am pretty sure that things are supposed to be as the movie clearly spelled out: aliens created humans, made bio weapon, aliens fucked up, aliens want to kill humans (how exactly do we even know this?), shazam wants to go to the alien planet to find out why they want to kill mankind.

I didn't see it as a desire to kill us (in some malicious way) per se at all.

I saw it a Earth was a controlled ant colony of theirs that they planned to use a place to test their bio-weapons on when the time came.

I just figured they were setting up breeding grounds like that all over the galaxy and to them, we were just guinea pigs.

Once the Engineers found that the experiments had made their way out of the colony and found them, it enraged him and THAT is when he made the decision to got DEF CON 17 on Earth.

Earth had gotten too big for its britches and the experiment needed to be terminated.

 

[The Lamp]

So....why did David poison/infect Elizabeth's boyfriend? He has nothing to do with David at all, and after that whole segment in the movie passes they kind of gloss over it, don't explain it, and in the end Shar ends up teaming up with the android that you can tell she knows killed her boyfriend.

Only the expedition humans think so in the movie. The opening scene shows the goo totally disassembling an Engineer into genetic material and dissolving into water, hence the beginnings of life. It didn't create a xenomorph like it did with Holloway. The material doesn't react to David either as it was on his finger up until the point that he lets Holloway drink it in alcohol.

That wasn't an Engineer, was it? In the movie they said that the Engineers created the lifeforms that had the same DNA as humans, who were the humanoid looking creatures we saw in the movie. I thought the Engineers were the higher ups that created them and humans.

 

[TheOMan]

Just got back from seeing the film and while I definitely enjoyed it, I have a lot of questions and I'm sure this one has already been asked. How did Xenomorphs get from this moon to the planet in Alien. The only thing I could think of was that this ProtoXenomorph had innate knowledge of the ProtoHuman and followed them there using one of the other ships.

Alright, guess I'll read this thread to see what you guys came up with.

Any good analyses any of you recommend?

 

[Femmeworth]

So....why did David poison/infect Elizabeth's boyfriend? He has nothing to do with David at all, and after that whole segment in the movie passes they kind of gloss over it, don't explain it, and in the end Shar ends up teaming up with the android that you can tell she knows killed her boyfriend.

David is a sociopath, sort of. No one really knows, except maybe the script writer. He didn't really seem to have a plan for his actions.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

2 outstanding questions in my mind:

What was happening in the first scene where the guy took a swig of goo? where was he? Why did he do that?

If you remember the one guy that takes the swig in the beginning is left alone as the ship is departing. My belief is that he was the "sacrifice" on a Prehistoric Earth to seed the planet with his DNA.

If the engineers never reached earth, why are all the cave paintings on earth there? how did we come from them if they never made contact?

My thought is, in the past, as our DNA was closer to that of the Engineers, we had genetic "memories" that faded over time.

That's why all the marking are from the ancient world caves and hieroglyphs.

Just got back from seeing the film and while I definitely enjoyed it, I have a lot of questions and I'm sure this one has already been asked. How did Xenomorphs get from this moon to the planet in Alien. The only thing I could think of was that this ProtoXenomorph had innate knowledge of the ProtoHuman and followed them there using one of the other ships.

Alright, guess I'll read this thread to see what you guys came up with.

Any good analyses any of you recommend?

Separate experiments were going on on LV-426 than on LV-223. Think of it as a separate bio-lab.

 

[border]

Okay, let's put it this way. If in the sequel it's still explained as a bio weapon, and the "engineers" turn out to be another random breed of space assholes, I'm going to be disappointed.

I just don't think his explanation makes much sense. If the corruption of the goo came at human hands, how was everyone at the outpost murdered? The humans created a bunch of monsters with the rotten goo and the Space Jockeys were dumb enough to bring that shit back?

His explanation that the resurrected Engineer head simply willed itself to explode is also kinda ridiculous. The more obvious answer is that he got goo'ed, then died before the bioweapon could have its full effect. Reigniting the electrical impulses of his brain reignited the effects of the bioweapon.

 

[The Lamp]

Coolest moment in my mind was the emergency c-section. Elizabeth was a total badass in my mind for that. And she still kept going for the rest of the movie!

 

[Fantomex]

Seriously do read cavalorn's analysis. Lots of allegories and parallels that give the film's seemingly nonsensical plot points a lot of meaning.

That's too hard bro. It's easier for them to bitch and moan and prove that their intellect far surpasses others. Which would then make us ask, why not read a book instead?

 

[Shouta]

That wasn't an Engineer, was it? In the movie they said that the Engineers created the lifeforms that had the same DNA as humans, who were the humanoid looking creatures we saw in the movie. I thought the Engineers were the higher ups that created them and humans.

No, they believed the engineers were the people that created humans. Who created the Engineers is only touched upon when Shaw replies to Holloway about the Engineers. "Who created them?" etc.

I just don't think his explanation makes much sense. If the corruption of the goo came at human hands, how was everyone at the outpost murdered? The humans created a bunch of monsters with the rotten goo and the Space Jockeys were dumb enough to bring that shit back?

His explanation that the resurrected Engineer head simply willed itself to explode is also kinda ridiculous. The more obvious answer is that he got goo'ed, then died before the bioweapon could have its full effect. Reigniting the electrical impulses of his brain reignited the effects of the bioweapon.

Bioweapon doesn't really work, I think, as I pointed out above. The opening shows the Space Jockey ingesting it to seed life on a planet. If it reacted and created bioweapons automatically, like it did when the humans showed up, they wouldn't be able to contain it all that well.

 

[subrock]

If you remember the one guy that takes the swig in the beginning is left alone as the ship is departing. My belief is that he was the "sacrifice" on a Prehistoric Earth to seed the planet with his DNA.



My thought is, in the past, as our DNA was closer to that of the Engineers, we had genetic "memories" that faded over time.

That's why all the marking are from the ancient world caves and hieroglyphs.



Separate experiments were going on on LV-426 than on LV-223. Think of it as a separate bio-lab.

Okay, yeah I like that explanation. looked like prehistoric earth which would make sense. does sort of make a creationism explanation for life which sucks though.

The ship at the beginning was a big oval no? different kind of ship?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The ship at the beginning was a big oval no? different kind of ship?

Possibly a mothership.

The C-shaped craft at the end was more of a Prometheus-esque research ship meant for the Engineer scientists.

 

[Scarecrow]

I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at here in regards to the mural. It looks like one of the Engineers is punching a Chozo from Metroid in the head.
http://dejanno.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/prometheus.jpg

 

[Gvaz]

To be honest, in the theater I couldn't even tell what the fuck it was supposed to be anyways.