The idea that all cops are the same is something cops perpetuate themselves.
"If you're against one of us, you're against all of us." How the public sees them is 100% their fault.
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The idea that all cops are the same is something cops perpetuate themselves.
"If you're against one of us, you're against all of us." How the public sees them is 100% their fault.
TheLaughingStock
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excelsiorlef
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I mean here you're basically acknowledging the Blue Wall of Silence but blaming the folks whom are victimized by it for it existing.
All of a sudden being nice and not all copsing isn't going to break the Blue Wall. If anything it'll make it even more deafening because now there's no one really pushing up against it.
The police, as an institution that protects the racial and economic order of our country, is a wholly reactionary organization opposed to the collective interests of people of color. Most cops aren't avowed white supremacists, but their work enforces the supremacy of white people. White supremacist organizations have made deep inroads into local police departments, because their shared interests lead to a lot of cross-pollination.
Admiral Woofington
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When I Googled the kkk website like 6 years ago I recall seeing the faq being all non chalant like
"do you really hate all minorities?"
"ah ha ha ha Timmy you little rascal. This is a common misconception. We don't hate minorities, we just believe that America as a country has always thrived with white people in charge"
Or some shit. These people are so up their own ass I don't even think they acknowledge they're racists.
"do you really hate all minorities?"
"ah ha ha ha Timmy you little rascal. This is a common misconception. We don't hate minorities, we just believe that America as a country has always thrived with white people in charge"
Or some shit. These people are so up their own ass I don't even think they acknowledge they're racists.
Imperfected
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That's Captain Confederacy. He's like Captain America, except he's not actually good at anything.
EdibleKnife
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Harassment and silencing have little to do with the citizens but rather the institution itself for allowing such activity to go on unchecked right under their noses.
If there were an epidemic of psychiatrists pushing patients toward violent acts and "good psychiatrists" were afraid of retribution from their fellows, the patients on the outside have little to go on but fearing and hating the institution of psychiatry for the image they put out.
If cops are afraid of doing the right thing, you want my honest opinion, that really doesn't and shouldn't mean much for the citizens who literally have zero avenues for retaliation toward people who are protected by the only people authorized to kill in our society as well as a biased, broken legal system. Good cops are free to quit and join the side of citizens as advocates; there have certainly been such before. But cops that remain in silence aren't helping anyone but themselves so shouldn't be expected to be excluded when their institution as a whole speaks for them.
Also before anyone asks, No this opinion wouldn't be "just as fucked up" if you replaced 'cops' with 'X' race of people. A)Cops volunteer to their jobs B)Cops are functionally within society allowed access to or to wield some of the most dangerous weapons Society offers individuals and allows their use in a situation the officer "deems appropriate". C)Law enforcement, unlike a race or ethnicity, is a government institution that has or is supposed to have, multiple levels of self-checks and balances for the purpose of policing itself and protecting the citizens. D)Officers don't include children or teenagers (both of which have been victims of police brutality, fatal and otherwise, outside of adults)
If the Klan wants to leave, let them go. Don't keep them from leaving. What wasted energy.
And yes, good cops need to call out bad cops. But they don't, and they do that 'thin blue line' crap. And they should stop that, if the good cops would please help get rid of the bad cops, it would make things better for everyone.
And yes, good cops need to call out bad cops. But they don't, and they do that 'thin blue line' crap. And they should stop that, if the good cops would please help get rid of the bad cops, it would make things better for everyone.
Icompletely understand why people have problems with cops just dont agree with the conclusion of Fuck all cops. I just dont see it effectiveness in eventually solving the problem since it is just adding to the cops vs minorities(blacks in particular).
To your second point, I would say protesting when bad cops doing horrible shit and not demonising all cops is still pushing up against it.
I guess my main question in my mind, what is the ultimate goal of furthering this us vs them mentality?
To me the main way to improve police-black problem is through police reforms that will change the system and that is what should be the front and center point of discussion, adding to the us vs them mentality pushes the convo further from that point. It isnt goint to be easy as what someone(edit:it was actually you) the previous page pointed out with the problem in New York, especially with the current political climate.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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"Please don't block our streets."
It makes it too obvious that there are police men in the terriost group. Very dumb that they do stuff like this.
excelsiorlef
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They don't want to reform.
And again the good ones cover up for the bad ones. It is systemic. You can't ignore that and only protest when one of the truly bad ones kills someone.
Angelus Errare
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Maybe cops should stop making it easy to group them all together.
It is getting harder to cover it up with the introduction of body cams and social media. I would say that is progress in itself, the bad cops are being identified much more than in the past. Now we just need to find a way for them to be held accountable, once they start being held accountable, I truly think then the higher ups will introduce police reform because it will directly effect them.
That's actually one pretty good solution for ending police reform!
Abolish the police and replace them with a community system of civil protection beholden to local assembles and an overseeing body.
Alligatorjandro
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There's really no difference between the kkk and al qaeda
At least with a post like yours it leaves room for discussion. What I quoted was a +1 grenade with the intent to inflame and rile up likeminded individuals. More often than not these threads devolve into a "me too" rally of snarky and resentful comments that do nothing to inspire change (unless the goal is to incite a violent uprising if the powder keg is loaded full enough. Events like last year's Dallas incident did nothing for the movement)
What do you propose change so the bolded doesn't occur anymore? As I half-jokingly stated in previous threads, I don't see how this gets resolved without robot cops.
Hamster Plugin
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K is for Kesko.
Back then the idea was that the number of K's before the store name meant a larger store (from K-market to KKKK-Citymarket). That's how KKK-Supermarkets happened. Actually pretty funny - if only it was a different letter.
Because they're good Christian folk pro-tectin' their heritage. Sure we don't agree...mostly... but they're good people deep down.
Why would we protect em' violent, rioting, stealin' Black Lives Matter thugs that hate police and America?
EdibleKnife
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Actual accountability for a start. Taking racial incidents within and outside of the department seriously. Acknowledging basis personally and with policing/arresting. Making a concerted effort to actually connect with the vulnerable citizenry rather than keep them at the distance. The end of their us vs. them, highly militaristic identity. The entire reason the issue of white supremacy invading law enforcement exists is because people within the same walls are too afraid or too apathetic to actually do anything to root it out.
Back when those police were shot at that BLM protest (in Dallas I think it was) the police and protesters were there together. The protesters had worked with police in planning the event.
Robot cops wouldn't do shit, because the individual biases of officers are less important than the broader behaviors of police departments that harm black and brown communities. These behaviors are influenced by policy more than by prejudice, and are instrumental in withholding the social and economic franchise from workers of color.
Friendly and progressive officers enforce white supremacy every day in their selective policing of minority communities, compliance with the demands of the prison industry, and ambient brutality and intimidation against persons of color. It is not that racism among officers leads to oppressive policing, but that oppressive policing fosters prejudice within the ranks and attracts white supremacist recruits.
excelsiorlef
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Kinda of dirty to invoke the Dallas shooting.
These 50 or so folks are the ones not smart enough to put on a suit and get in government or business.
Esepecially when the guy is on video saying he didn't believe in BLM
Esepecially when the guy is on video saying he didn't believe in BLM
excelsiorlef
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Yup
Frozenprince
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Of course the fucking Klan gets the police escort.
Wouldn't want the poor klansmen to get hurt
Wouldn't want the poor klansmen to get hurt
Don't you think the us vs. them mentality is nurtured by both sides? Open any GAF thread and you'll see "fuck the police" and "the police and the KKK are one and the same". Where do you go from that to bridge the chasm there is?
What specific policies are you referencing that are targeted at minorities and not all citizens?
excelsiorlef
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Stop killing black folk, stop covering up for killing black folk, stop arresting black folk for shit you don't arrest white folk for...
Tons of shit they could do.
Wake me up when take a stand against their own instead of turn their backs against a mayor because he supports BLM at a funeral for their own.
Wake me up when they oppose Blue Lives Matter legislation.
Wake me up when they don't fire guys for not killing someone.
Them not worshiping a psychopath would be a start
Yeah, putting a skull on a cruiser doesn't exactly send a good message, but can we not insinuate this is the norm? This isn't even a #NotAllCops moment, this is #AFewDumbassCops.
EdibleKnife
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And the guy faced some sort of justice without people coming out of the woodwork to defend him, his image, or his actions.
Whether it's nurtured on both sides means little when one side literally has the authority within society to arrest and kill citizens and have it be completely legally justified. It also means very little when one side is supposed to be an organized government institution devoted to protecting citizens and is supposed to keep data on itself and police itself to correct any malicious views that might exist within its ranks. People saying harsh and dumb things has little of the same weight of an entire institution that has immense power and can/has used it to control and abuse entire communities.
Frozenprince
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No it's really not nurtured by both sides.
When black kids aren't beaten half to death for doing nothing wrong, maybe then we can have a dialogue.
The police need to make the first dozen steps before there's even discussion. Right now there is nothing to be learned or debated. The humanity of a group of people is not a debate. It's not on black people to reach out when there has been ENORMOUS reach out. That's the whole fucking point of black lives matter. There needs to be equal steps in kind. But they hide and continue to harass and debase black people.
UberTag
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The protesters should have surrounded the police department after they finished escorting their little KKK friends around town. There is no difference between either group.
And then surrounded city hall and its racist protectionist mayor.
That's the one thing the left could do to finally get the racist right more proactive about gun control. Because they're ultimately cowards at heart.
Both sides? Do you honestly think things like "fuck the police" would exist if law enforcement wasn't garbage? The police created this chasm and they should be the only ones to fix it.
Cops using The Punisher isn't isolated to one department, it's all over the whole #Bluelivesmatter bullshit.
Really after all the video that came out the last few years, studies and investigations, you going to say this isn't a systematic thing?
Raylan Targaryen
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Hey last week was an Asian kid, they're diversifying at least
Okay, that's a fair point, but not the one you initially argued. You made it sound like there were specific policies geared towards minorities, unless you're insinuating there's a policy to enforce them unequally?
Skulls on cruisers?
excelsiorlef
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Are you being dense on purpose?
It's shows their mentally, they are no longer peacekeepers but an armed force occupying enemy territory
Lol at Both sides. Dont use that phrase, especially here.
And to answer you question kind of. While it is true both(damm I used it) sides have the us vs them mentality, the fault of the mentality lies with the police system, they created it and the black community as a reaction responded to it. While I dont think this mentality is helpful, it is a reality and isnt really going to change until the Police do certain things. Accountability for example, if Police are held accountable for there actions, this will immedietly start reducing the us vs them mentality.
#Bluelivesmatter isn't representative of the entire policing community the same way that #Blacklivesmatter doesn't represent all black people.
excelsiorlef
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Yes absolutely don't use both sides when talking about black folk and the police... Don't use it here, don't use it at the dinner table with your family, don't use it in the park with your friends, or at school, or at work, on a bus, on a plane, anwyhere.