Protesters Surround KKK Gathering In Charlottesville
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Policies ostensibly meant to solve problems affecting specifically target certain segments of the population, harming these communities' access to capital and political wherewithal. This is how structural racism operates.
excelsiorlef
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theCalamity
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I work for a law enforcement agency and this is the norm.
lol, ok
Big Baybee
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Just trash.
Do you really think the animosity towards cops is unearned?
So you don't actually come into the conversation in good faith?
VendettaRed07
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You will not here them say explicitly "we are racists" because like most institutions or groups, they want to recruit people. So they have to take positions more palatable that can help them dupe ignorant people into thinking their is any logic behind their beliefs.
Today it's beaten in to kids heads "being racist is wrong ok", but our school system basically stops there so they only superficially avoid the term because they know it's a losing battle if they don't.
They know full well they are racist but are more careful with their rhetoric than they have been in the past to attempt to make their hatred seem justified.
excelsiorlef
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Do you know what that picture I posted is of?
That's a huge section of the NYPD turning their back against De Blasio at a funeral for a murdered cop and why? Because
for causing the murders.
They also blamed protesters protesting Eric Garner's killer walking free
But sure lol ok me because I say don't say both sides.
What is the middle ground of this Coldpizza?
But police unions are
That was a disgusting act and he was held accountable. Thank God someone was there to film it or else he probably would have gotten away with it.
The Last Wizard
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No they don't since a government organization has released information multiple times that kkk has infiltrated law enforcement positions and we know for a fact that they're also in politics.
Spartancarver
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I will, because they didn't make anyone murder a fellow cop. They chose to act on their own. Everyone makes their own choices.
excelsiorlef
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What?
Just_myles
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Classic.
Big Baybee
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Yea, people are willfully ignorant or just don't care. Or agree with it.
Ah, I misread that as you saying the police caused the murders of their fellow cops. My mistake.
excelsiorlef
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So willing to address the deep rot that picture represents then?
lol, ok was at anyone thinking they can tell others what to think or say.
excelsiorlef
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This is incredibly childish.
I don't know much about it other than those cops worried about being able to do their jobs safely as effectively. Whether that's true or not I don't know. Often we can't foresee how policy can affect things in advance.
Childish, it was more like advise than telling you. Take it if you want to have a productive convo, dont take it out of principal if you want to act like a child.
You're calling this childish, considering you're trying to shut down certain avenues of discussion? No thanks.
excelsiorlef
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Almost an entire force turned their back at a fucking funeral because they blamed protesters, Obama, De Balsio for not "supporting them".
That's systemic man. When you blame people trying to fix the system for causing murder... that's systemic.
And look at that picture... it was basically all of them.
The Last Wizard
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Pretty much. The police force is working as intended. It'll never change cause the people who see this and don't care are the ones who can really make a difference. Diet Racism.
This thread is another great example of why shit won't change, as soon as you start to point out how shot is wrong it always "not all of us/them". When standing by and not saying shit is just as bad as doing it.
FinaruDensetsu
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One wants black people dead. The other actually gets the job done. Kinda goes hand in hand.
excelsiorlef
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Jesus you're one step away from claiming I'm trying to censor you.
I can't actually stop you. You can sit down with your family and talk all you want about how really both sides are at fault for police brutality if you want I can't stop you.
What I can say is that that mindset is completely not based in reality and that black folk could tomorrow stop saying boo about the police and they'd still be at risk, they'd still be killed, and brutalized at the exact same rate.
When you say both sides you are blaming the oppressed for part of their own oppression.
Psychoward
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This thread has reminded me as a white man that getting banned for going #notallcops last year was probably the best thing that could have happened to my view on race relations and the nature of the police force in America.
Sometimes y'all need to listen before jumping to the defense of police officers.
Sometimes y'all need to listen before jumping to the defense of police officers.
There's a good chance that ban was unwarranted if it was Bishoptl. We all know what happened there.
BinaryPork2737
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I'm just glad that no one here is actually defending the klan.
Impeccable
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Oh man.
theCalamity
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The rift between de Blasio and the NYPD began when hhe campaigned on stopping the ineffective stop-and-frisk policy that primarily targeted minorities. The cops took it as an attack on them. Then de Blasio talked about how he had to give "the talk" to his mixed-race son if he ever encountered a cop. The NYPD saw criticism as anti-cop and turned their backs on him for it.
Psychoward
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I don't know who it was and I don't care or know about what "happened" with him. The focus of the post wasn't to bring that up. I do know that it was deserved for shitting up a thread with being obtuse and ignorant on the American police force though. Reminds me of someone.
excelsiorlef
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Jesus the person admits it helped them and was a positive thing and you respond with that?
What actually is your goal with me? If you want me to leave, I won't, but if you want to convince me in a discussion then I'm more than willing to listen.
I agree there are systemic issues with race and the police. My initial issue with this thread and so many other threads involving race is that drive by posts with one off snarky remarks don't really make for good discussion. Which of course leads to people piling on and thinking I don't care. I do care, but I also care for nuanced discussion.
No, not all of us do. And since you're putting it out there, even though the member in question said it did wonders for their worldview, please tell us more with accompanying links. Let's go down the rabbit hole.
Thinking about your post made me think of something that may not be specifically relevant but is a general comment upon the broader scope of this whole thing.
While I think the KKK and the like are evil, from your comment I realized that they may not necessarily believe what they are doing is "right." The more intelligent within their ranks that penetrate the more "power play" type possitions in society like governmemt and law enforcement, might very well believe or know they are evil, but they have a "go for broke" attitude about everything they are doing. What they believe probably is not out of feeling it's "right", but out of desperation.
"We can't lose this position!"
"We need to be in charge."
"Things are better when we are the authority"
To me, that does not sound like a moral argument anyone at a decent intelligence can be convinced by. So it seems to fall inline with a desperate NEED rather than an actual belief in doing the right thing. While the dumber of the bunch of them must rationlize it as a concept of morality to combat cognative dissonance it probably isn't a factor to others.
So I would relate the force behind the evil in the KKK as related more to a feeling of needing to eat when one is starving rather than the feeling "I'm doing the right thing" when feeding or giving to the poor.
Psychoward
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Yeah I got the feeling that it was some gaf conspiracy dogwhistling.
What is that supposed to mean? He said the ban was justified and helped. The hell...
Big Baybee
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No one is trying to convince you of anything. The data is there. The evidence is there. You are most likely a lost cause.
excelsiorlef
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I am talking. I don't have a goal with you. I'm just talking.
There's a ton of nuance in what I wrote and yet you interpret it as me telling you to fuck off...
You're trying to hold both sides responsible and that's just not the reality.
Then what's the point of these threads? To stew in resentment or change minds with facts?
What?
Really? I've noticed a lot more free flowing discussion lately. Even if you don't agree with all sides.
I question a person who needs their mind changed to the more "liberal/progressive" viewpoint in a thread about the KKK being protected by police.