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PS, I Love You- Greg Miller's new PlayStation Podcast
- Thread starter EdReedFan20
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Don't go to Reddit. There are some people going crazy in some subreddits because of that.
EdReedFan20
Member
I literally just reached that point in the podcast.
PSnow is not a BC solution and has never been their BC solution. It exists so in the future when streaming is viable they have a avenue to capitalize on it. Not saying you have to like it. And PS3 emulation is extremely improbable on PS4 lol. PS consoles will have BC from now on however.
Great Horizon stuff though.
Great Horizon stuff though.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Because of what? The female protagonist? Would someone please think of the bald white space marines, please!?
Heckler456
Banned
What did they ask? I'm going black out on Horizon, so can't listen.
Mass Effect maybe? Could be BOTW on Wii U. Colin said they didn't have a Switch but nothing about the Wii U verison
Might also be Ghost Recon Wildlands or if it's really far out maybe Persona 5.
Heckler456
Banned
Jesus fucking christ. Those people need repercussions in their life.
I'm more annoyed with myself for bothering to read all that. I just can't waste energy on things like this. There is a woman in the lead role, people just need to get over it, or not play it.
Yeah that question was really dumb. Pretty happy with Colin and Greg's reaction to a terrible question.
EdReedFan20
Member
The tone of the e-mail was not dissimilar. Basically, they don't want to play Horizon because they feel they can't "relate" to Aloy and think that videos games protagonists should always be male because the guy claimed there are far more male video game players and the video game companies risk losing money by focusing on a female protagonist. Unsurprisingly, Greg and Colin were rightfully not buying any of it and called the guy out. Not the response he probably expected.
There is a reason why these people are mostly in subreddits and /v/. They popup in even places like GAF of course from time to time but they don't infest every community.
This always puzzles me. My response is basically, 'I'm a woman, so welcome to my life as a gamer'. I have no problem relating to characters, regardless of gender. Maybe I am now trained to do so, I don't know, but empathy isn't gender exclusive.
At the same time, I am so excited to play this game because of Aloy. A lead female character, who is fully clothed? I'm in.
This should be on a sign somewhere. I've been playing games since I was a kid and never had an issue identifying with characters of any kind of gender/sexual orientation/race/species.
If you can't then you're doing it wrong.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Funny thing is you don't see these same assholes complaining when said female protagonist is showing T&A. Where's all the whining over Nier's 2B?
Can't relate my ass!
notaxation
Neo Member
It was a weird question. I'll never understand people needing to "relate" to characters in fiction. Fucking bizarre. Don't we immerse ourselves in books, TV shows, movies, games, et cetera, to enjoy other people's stories?
Says a lot about a person if they need to see themselves everywhere they look. I, for one, want as little of me as possible in the fiction I consume. LOL.
Says a lot about a person if they need to see themselves everywhere they look. I, for one, want as little of me as possible in the fiction I consume. LOL.
Great response on that question. And I agree with you 100 percent
lol, it would be a pretty long sign. I just don't think this person is looking at the bigger picture. If men and women can't relate, nobody would have relationships, or they would all be terrible. Has he never empathised with a girlfriend about something (assuming he is straight)? It just seems odd to say he can't.
Yeah. checkout gaming circlejerk where they make fun of all the people who are upset about the female protagonist
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
A warning about this weeks Horizon discussion: they spoil the nature of a twist in a way that I think will colour people's experience. If you want to go into the game knowing absolutely nothing I'd advise skipping topic of the show.
MikeyKlump
Member
Isn't it more about sympathizing to a character rather than seeing yourself in that character. If you can sympathize then you can place yourself in that experience and have a more true emotional reaction.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Thanks.
Yeah, I think being able to understand why a character behaves the way they do, and feels the way they do is important. I could not relate to Joel in TLoU, but I understood exactly why he chose to do the things he did. It just made perfect sense for that character, and I was/am incredibly attached to him, but I don't really see any of myself in him.
RedRooster
Member
If a person's emotional growth is seriously that stunted, they need to look at self betterment asap.
Omnistalgic
Member
indeed, recent books I enjoyed immensely are the Wool series, and Hunger games, both led by female protagonist.
Question was utterly ridiculous, bravo for the response.
That or read more books, see more films, speak to more people. Get immersed in something outside of this narrow comfort zone. Isn't that what fantasy is all about?
MikeyKlump
Member
Don't really get what you mean by this.
MrS
Banned
Thanks for this.
Will never understand when people bitch about what the protagonist is. It's a video game, enjoy the story they want to show. It's annoying from both sides if you ask me. It's annoying when people whine about the main character being a female or a minority character. It's annoying when people whine about why a game isn't diverse enough. Let the people that make the games make them how they want.
I want a quality story with fun gameplay when I play a game. A game that isn't filled with check list criteria to sell more copies. Let the developers do whatever they want. If it's a game filled with only African American female characters then let them. At the end if the people that are working on the game have a love for what they are doing, will lead to a better game.
Also I can't wait to play Horizon going to be so fn good.
I want a quality story with fun gameplay when I play a game. A game that isn't filled with check list criteria to sell more copies. Let the developers do whatever they want. If it's a game filled with only African American female characters then let them. At the end if the people that are working on the game have a love for what they are doing, will lead to a better game.
Also I can't wait to play Horizon going to be so fn good.
It was not a spoiler but more what people will be looking for. I didn't find it a big deal even though I'm spoilers sensitive. Unless there was something else.
Heckler456
Banned
You seemed to imply that one couldn't be able to "sympathize" with another person unless that other person was the same gender as him/her. I'd call that type of person emotionally stunted too.
MikeyKlump
Member
Oh no I actually meant the opposite. As long as a character is well developed with intentions and making decisions that you can understand I think that's all that really matters. Gender shouldn't matter at all.
onemanasylum
Banned
Totally agree with this, I cringe whenever I hear questions like that.
Heckler456
Banned
Ah alright, thanks for clearing that up
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. It's basically all in the execution. If the storyteller sets up his characters well enough, people can empathize with nearly anyone.
Ah alright, thanks for clearing that up
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. It's basically all in the execution. If the storyteller sets up his characters well enough, people can empathize with nearly anyone.
Absolutely, who didn't cry when Mufasa died in the Lion King? And that's a cartoon lion!
Darth Smurf X
Member
Yeah. There was one line in there which I wish I hadn't heard going into the game. I will not repeat it for those wishing to remain on media black-out.
As for the rest of the episode... great stuff, gang. I cannot wait until next Tuesday. Your excitement for Horizon has gotten me even more jazzed (yeah, I'm using that word) to finally play it.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Yeah and great response from your part and Greg's!
It's such a shitty thing to say that they can relate to a serial killer, treasure hunters, cartoony plumbers, vampire hunters, astronauts, criminals, soldiers, etc as long as their male because if that's a female then all of a sudden "oops I can't relate! Too unrealistic!" Such bullshit.
And like I said this only seems to happen when said female protagonist is empowered and/or isn't sexualized. You don't tend to see these discussions over Berseria's, Neir's or [insert almost any female protagonist from Japan]'s leads. Double standards abound.
onemanasylum
Banned
It's only because she is female, which is fucking pathetic.
MadLaughter
Member
I think that there's one exception to this, and its people that feel underrepresented and undervalued getting to see that people want to tell their stories:
http://www.blastr.com/2016-12-5/rep...ne-comic-shop-employee-helped-save-girls-life
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
Only that it's within the first 30 minutes, forget exactly when.
Darth Smurf X
Member
18:37 to 18:42
Alex_Mexico
Member
Thanks. Ill make sure to skip that part.
Colin, if you're reading, please take this feedback to heart. Be more careful about spoiling games, especially when they're still a week away from release.
MyNameIsRye
Member
I really wanted to watch this, but now I'm scared of spoilers.