Dude, that you keep insisting it is about that tweet means you don't understand jack shit about what we're discussing.
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Dude, that you keep insisting it is about that tweet means you don't understand jack shit about what we're discussing.
ScientificPizza
Banned
there is a lot more to this than just analysing a tweet. you're being purposefully reductive to deflect legitimate criticism
Elwood Blues
Member
Yes all that effort from people tirelessly typing words on a keyboard. So uncivil. Very unacceptable.
Tragicomedy
Member
"Humorless sacks of shit," wasn't it? Carry on with your edited recap.
You missed the mid season cliff hanger. You should include it if you want to be honest about the context.
Maybe you haven't caught up. I would hate to feel that you're being disingenuous as to what we're talking about here.
Also, let's not ignore that Roosterteeth had something to say about it either.
KZXcellent
Member
I'm sorry that you're so offended over me not including that in the recap. I didn't mean anything from it, no need to go on the attack. If you think I'm trying to paint him in a positive light, that's not my intent.
I was not aware anything else has happened. If I missed something please let me know.
elshoelace
Member
I think you understated him calling them humorless, it was actually humorless sacks of shit. I think that is quite a few peoples problem including mine, especially after he is always going on podcasts lately about reasonable discussion.
You can read. Do yourself and all of us a favor and enjoy that particular skill set.
Colin's argument amounted to, "when I was at an electronics enthusiast website I wrote things that higher-ups likely disagreed with, therefore you can't judge Bannon by what Breitbart published when he ran it." --which is, to put it lightly, a specious and vapid argument. Breitbart is political propaganda for the alt-right; the entire purpose of it is to advance a specific political ideology. Bannon literally called it (under his tutelage) "the platform for the alt-right:"
"We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago. Under Bannon's leadership, the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist groups as an "eclectic mix of renegades," accusing President Barack Obama of importing "more hating Muslims," and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of "political correctness."
"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro wrote last week on the Daily Wire, a conservative website. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news
Comparing this to, "oh we had differences in opinion regarding the quality of [x] console or its games," or "oh I said something that may have angered a games publisher or advertiser" is completely and totally fucked.
I'll say it again, since it doesn't seem to stick:
Some of you guys keep framing reactions as people being "offended", "outraged".
You want to paint us as hysterical, because it's the only way the defense of what Colin said works: to shift the attention away from what *he* did, to how people reacted.
We are not hysterical.
We are not outraged.
We look at stuff like this and think "Huh, I don't want to be associated with that".
And THEN the *original* person that made the dumb comment in the first place plays the victim. For ages. Nonstop. They cancel speeches, they become defensive, they complain about being persecuted -- about how others are close-minded and can't handle differing opinions.
This was called out literally minutes after he tweeted, before there was anything you could construe as "outrage" -- the outcome was obvious from the jump:
Make stupid statement -> lash out at backlash to comment -> play the victim
We've all seen the playbook. Stop pretending you have us pegged in a corner as hysterical people that can't take a joke. We're on to this.
Some of you guys keep framing reactions as people being "offended", "outraged".
You want to paint us as hysterical, because it's the only way the defense of what Colin said works: to shift the attention away from what *he* did, to how people reacted.
We are not hysterical.
We are not outraged.
We look at stuff like this and think "Huh, I don't want to be associated with that".
And THEN the *original* person that made the dumb comment in the first place plays the victim. For ages. Nonstop. They cancel speeches, they become defensive, they complain about being persecuted -- about how others are close-minded and can't handle differing opinions.
This was called out literally minutes after he tweeted, before there was anything you could construe as "outrage" -- the outcome was obvious from the jump:
Make stupid statement -> lash out at backlash to comment -> play the victim
We've all seen the playbook. Stop pretending you have us pegged in a corner as hysterical people that can't take a joke. We're on to this.
Hydranockz
Member
Colin doesn't even have the decency to echo his colleague's stance by retweeting Greg's statement. That's pretty shitty too, right?
Ninja Scooter
Member
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy with these fucks. They are anticipating the "outrage" before anybody even says anything.
TWrecks310
Banned
Even beyond that, I checked his Twitter earlier to see if he ever did and he's basically either playing the victim card or retweeting praise from people like Glenn Beck.
This is all so depressing, I'm just gonna go watch Riverdale.
elshoelace
Member
TheWeaponeer
Banned
Colin was right...but Shane Bettenhausen was better at this racket.
I will show myself out now.
I will show myself out now.
sorry, misread that. but for colin, he certain did want to.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1350440
All right, see you later. Have a good evening.
Is Shane still working at Sony?
SolidSnakex
Member
lol, nice.
Tragicomedy
Member
It will only happen because KOF has legions of followers who are also PlayStation fans. If many PlayStation fans put pressure on Sony then maybe they will do something about it. Even then the problem only seems to be one guy at KOF. Greg and others are still liked, I think.
BuggeryBugz
Member
What does this have to do with Sony?
KZXcellent
Member
It came off as that to me. Not trying to start beef.
Depends on how many media people disassociate themselves from him. They won't respond to just the tweets themselves.
yeah probably. but good people can make stupid choices. I don't know for sure if he'll learn any lessons from this, I can only hope. I only consider him a decent / good person just based on videos and such that I've seen him in. I understand that he is a very opinionated person, and his opinions differ from a lot of those in the same industry it seems. Don't get me wrong I think his tweet was dumb, sexist and in poor taste. I never saw him as a troll, but that was some troll-ish behavior.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Wow they are making 30k per month. Thats like...a lot.
Yeah I am guilty of using my PS4 as an exclusive machine. It happened mostly because I have more friends that game on Xbox Live. More people I play with on Live want to invite me into games and such. I have made a ton of bromance relationships on XBL. My friend that I have known since the 4th grade uses it and it allows us to play halo together.
I think if if I skipped the 360 this would have been different but I have built an ecosystem of friends as Sony's PSN just wasnt where it needed to be during the PS3 era.
Yeah I am guilty of using my PS4 as an exclusive machine. It happened mostly because I have more friends that game on Xbox Live. More people I play with on Live want to invite me into games and such. I have made a ton of bromance relationships on XBL. My friend that I have known since the 4th grade uses it and it allows us to play halo together.
I think if if I skipped the 360 this would have been different but I have built an ecosystem of friends as Sony's PSN just wasnt where it needed to be during the PS3 era.
crustchump
Member
https://twitter.com/glennbeck/status/839998173468884992
miserable reactionary conservatism loves company
miserable reactionary conservatism loves company
KZXcellent
Member
Between their Gaming channel's patreon and their normal channel they make 55K a month on patreon actually. It's nuts.
Isn't Glen Beck responsible for Tomi Lahren?
I started out by checking out Retronauts. Then I checked out Talking Simpsons (because of Bob). Then I checked out Laser Time. All really, really solid shows that don't have contrarian assholes on there just for the sake of it.
Plus I really enjoy listening to Chris Antista (now), too.
crustchump
Member
i just think that it's funny that in these trying times two loud media reactionaries who make their money off of their absurd conservative politics in some wildly disparate fields can still find kinship with each other.
edit: also i stopped listening to KF a while ago when the half-baked political commentary got too much for me (still liked when they talk about older games and what they like about their favorite stuff,) but i still feel a little bad to see how the community has turned against greg and tim just for issuing an apology. must be a bit of a wake up call to see exactly how many people don't necessarily jive with their vision of who watches and listens to their work.
Yes. And people will do backflips to now cape for Beck being level headed and ignore the hate that he still sanctions because they want their spankable materials uncompromised.
There's no point trying to argue with these people. Colin told them exactly what was real, and they still right now create a narrative that they, themselves were being hobbled on their way to being relevant.
All because he got paid to speak about games once per week instead of having to write about them.
Two years ago, PSX had a panel about devs from a different perspective (PoC devs), and last year they had one about gamers with disabilities. I really don't think any of those people and the organizations they represent would appreciate being associated with people like Colin or his insane fans.
Kinda Funny's legion isn't as big as Colin and Greg would like you to believe. Any pressure from women's groups and Sony would drop them like a rock and nobody would notice. Maybe then Colin would think before opening his mouth.
Sauce Marlow
Member
Yeah I couldn't understand this during this week's episode. Why was he getting so mad about a dumb article that had been widely panned by the time they recorded the show? He got so worked up over nothing and went on a 20 minute rant.
Oh look. It's this completely incorrect summation of events again.
KZXcellent
Member
I'd assume he already has behind closed doors.
When has Colin ever backed down? He either deflects, doubles down or blames everyone but himself.
waitwaitwait. So they're disliking the GOG video to 'bully' (for the lack of a better term) the rest of the KF crew into apologizing for not having his back?
Is that's what's happening here?
Yeah, and the fact the amount of dislikes is higher than the likes is pretty disturbing to me.
Dirtyshubb
Member
If those people are the main source of the dislikes, its a perfect example of the type of community they have allowed to foster. Ones that bully members of the team for actually caring about others perspectives and commenting on it..
But no, they turned on their beloved Colin and deserve to be punished apparently.
Its getting very messy, Colin is toxic for many but some kind of icon for others
I can see him going out on his own if this continues
I actually think Colin on his own would still do very well for himself, and the others assuming they bring someone else onboard can still continue to thrive
I can see him going out on his own if this continues
I actually think Colin on his own would still do very well for himself, and the others assuming they bring someone else onboard can still continue to thrive
The guy was championing and praising Horizon for their portrayal of women in the game in the last podcast. I find it odd that the mob wants him publicly hung for the twitter comment.
You're implying that people overreact to throwaway comments. Madness.
Finally someone for Colin to debate with on the important issues...
Epic!