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I only spent a brief time in Home Beta, but the one or two videos I looked at were in proper HD. Obviously there's buffering going on, and depending on your connection the player may decide to buffer entire videos, but this again, happens with most streaming services.Panajev2001a said:
In my experience videos loaded fast, but I was connecting to Asia servers, not the backwards Yurop
Wonder if the video quality varies though, based on your experience.
Panajev2001a
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Fafalada said:I only spent a brief time in Home Beta, but the one or two videos I looked at were in proper HD. Obviously there's buffering going on, and depending on your connection the player may decide to buffer entire videos, but this again, happens with most streaming services.
In my experience videos loaded fast, but I was connecting to Asia servers, not the backwards Yurop
Wonder if the video quality varies though, based on your experience.
It must downgrade the quality too (I have symmetrical 10 Mbits fiber not a slow-ass connection
)... the Wipeout videos have blocks that would scare Alex to death... and he is a Muuu-Muuu 
.Luckyman said:
I've been pretty fiercely critical of it lately, but not so much for this reason. You're right, without game support it doesn't add much to gaming right now.
But if the game support were there, it could be fantastic based on the taste namco home museum gives, or to a lesser extent, the warhawk multiplayer game launching. Infrastructurally it seems like the 'game enhancing' bits are there in home, the problem is a lack of game support currently. On that end, it's just a set of infrastructure waiting for games to plug in. That is something Sony needs to fix, and really something they should have had fixed to a much larger extent by now. The delay should have given them ample time to get game developers up to speed, and patching their games with home game launching and item-unlocking hooks. But as far as we know there's just two supporting games right now (?)
travisbickle
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chespace said:
So Home's not going to be your de-facto email destination outside of the workplace?
Wollan said:Well first you would have to want to mingle with the PS3 community.
What makes you think I don't? I've been using my PS3 a lot lately for Persona 4 and every time I sign into the console/PSN, my long friends list full of NeoGAFers are offline during primetime hours (8:00PM) except maybe a couple. I know it's anecdotal but it seems like a constant and it's really been the backbone of my PSN community experience thus far.
At any rate, you're reading my comment out of context. I was talking about Andy's comparison of Home to Gmail in terms of their technical competency. The comparison really shouldn't even be made as it's an insult to Google.
travisbickle said:
Not so much. But you know I was talking about that other part in my sentence (hint: useful/efficient).
Tideas said:
Well he's right, but I think the comparison was meant more to emphasise its nature as a WIP rather than its technical competence per se.
I've a laundry list of things I'd like to see fixed about Home. I don't think it's at the same relative base level as gmail was when it launched. At the same time, though, even for someone who really only finds value in it via item unlocks and game launching, I can see it has value for others as something else. As much as I found the beta boring once I'd exhausted the game related stuff, there seemed to be plenty of people still using it just for casually chatting with other players, and (presumably) filling out their friends lists. It accomodates that REALLY well. But my friends list, and most of neogaf's I guess, is pretty full as is, and there's less of a need round here for that aspect of it. And more interest in specific game related infrastructure and its support (or lack thereof).
Revolutionary
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Wow, whoever changed your tag really hit the nail on the head.chespace said:
gmail at launch had plenty of rough edges. You couldn't use contact list directly - you had to manually copy contact over to the email you want to compose. There was no way to access the email account via POP/IMAP - the only way was to log in on a webbrowser. They didn't even add calendar stuff until recently. gmail was functional at launch but had plenty of problems, unless you got in much later.
Luckyman said:
Clearly you haven't been reading my posts on it
I've enumerated the problems of the theatre in far more detail.But I don't consider it a game related thing. Home could do without it to be perfectly honest (the theatre), and it wouldn't be missing much. If you want to complain about how it doesn't add to the game experience I wouldn't start there, because it's not one of the proposed 'game enchancing' features..
Necessary game related infrastructure is there in the client, it's just being used by precious few games. That's the problem with the game related features right now..not the theatre :lol
Fenderputty
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gofreak said:
That's what I don't get though. They announced this soooooo long ago. People were excited. Then it got delayed and delayed and delayed some more. From the get go, Sony has touted this as something special, yet they still haven't put the effort into home. Maybe it was a larger undertaking then they had planned. Maybe they were just trying to get people excited knowing full well the thing wouldn't launch for two years. I don't really know. It just feels like all the delays should have given them able time for these games to be "plugged in". I still have faith in the idea, but if it's not ready, why release it? To compete with the 360's new XNE? It's not ready to compete. I always figured for Home to truly succeed, it needed to hit the ground running so people stay interested.
It makes me kinda sad Sony blundered this thing so much because in theory Home could be really really usefull.
Fenderputty said:
Well, exactly, that's why I'm annoyed. Because the little taste I had of the game stuff was really compelling. There are other bits of Home that are cool enough, and others still that are just embarassing. But the game stuff can work really well, and that should be what's the primary driver of Home and Home stickiness. I played nothing but Namo Museum until I had all the home items, for example, and was frequently visiting Home to redeem them.
Sony should have had people out evangelising this to devs, and getting them on-side for day-one patches for Home hooks. But it seems to me they spent far more time figuring out..well..actually I'm not sure. I think Kaz Hirai should be embarassed at the lack of specific game hooks given his statement last year about delaying it to focus it more on games.
Like I said before, if a single 09 game ships from Sony without robust home support..that would be a shambles. They should be working ASAP to get their games hooked in, both old and new. Launching with what seems like very little (unless they've some surprises), it's very hard to understand and means that home is only going to be interesting until people have seen everything the relatively small number of spaces has to offer (unless the social interaction is actually fun for them in and of itself..which it may be for some people like I said before). But if Home was constantly throwing in new things as you played through other games, and offered wide group launching support? That'd be great, there'd be reason to go there often.
jts
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Duuude... gmail is a major pillar in Google's keikaku* to world domination, and Home is more ambitious? A fucking console software for a relativelly poor selling console? :lolOni Jazar said:
*translator's note: keikaku means plan
That being said, WHERE IS IT ALREADY?! God damn i'd prefer they had announced December 12th as the launch date and then released it early as a surprise or something.
Zeouterlimits
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mio said:
:lol :lol
Excellent post.
chespace said:
Based on what ? Google Lively didn't look or feel so hot.
Gmail is a Java server app (A friend is one of the "cofounders" of gmail). Besides server components, Home has P2P elements, plus a memory constraint client that needs to work with other games. The latter has larger scope but the former is more focused and more heavily used. They have totally different strategies for scaling.
In terms of usefuless, now I would agree. Home is a niche application for gaming right now whereas Email is THE top Internet application. Then again, even XBL is not as well used compared to Email.
guggnichso
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Ok, this is taking a bit long now. What are they doing over there? This is not WoW or something like it, those are 5 heavily instanced small rooms with a chat system. What's taking them so long?
MTV has a q+a here.. only bit i was really interested in was the item unlocking bit.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008...key-playstation-home-questions-dodges-others/
Shame he wasn't pressed about forthcoming external game support for that item unlocking. I'm guessing there won't be anything more on day one than there's there already.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008...key-playstation-home-questions-dodges-others/
Shame he wasn't pressed about forthcoming external game support for that item unlocking. I'm guessing there won't be anything more on day one than there's there already.
Dr. Zoidberg
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I think everybody is excited about the potential benefits of home such as game launching, clan support, shared pics/movies, etc.
I just question the wisdom of forcing these features through a 3D avatar-based reality. They should just implement everything on the XMB so that every feature (save things like the 3D game spaces) is available without having to take time to load up and log in. Many people simply don't find the virtual reality experience all that compelling, and those people shouldn't be forced into using this clumsy gateway in order to get to the features they want.
I just question the wisdom of forcing these features through a 3D avatar-based reality. They should just implement everything on the XMB so that every feature (save things like the 3D game spaces) is available without having to take time to load up and log in. Many people simply don't find the virtual reality experience all that compelling, and those people shouldn't be forced into using this clumsy gateway in order to get to the features they want.
VanMardigan
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Dr. Zoidberg said:
Then it would just be an NXE ripoff (PXE?). I think they should just work to reduce the time required to do these things, like allowing you to warp to a single spot with your friends, where you can hang out and all of you can then launch to a game from there.
Dr. Zoidberg said:
Item related stuff wouldn't work nearly aswell on xmb as in a 3D home..I can see shades of animal crossing in that, and that definitely works better with an environment like home (vs, say, trophies on the xmb which aren't nearly as compelling IMO).
It's also hard to open your xmb to people on PSN who aren't on your friends list in a way that would make you want to interact with them..whereas something like Home can do that, in a way that isn't specific to any one game either.
Home could do with speeding up some load times and stuff though, for sure.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
So Sony should just scrap Home? You know you're going to have a rough launch when even your most ardent supporters think it's a waste of time. :lol
Like I said, and NXE-like setup would be throwing all this work on a virtual environment out the window and further hurt the Ps3's ability to differentiate itself in the marketplace.
Like I said, and NXE-like setup would be throwing all this work on a virtual environment out the window and further hurt the Ps3's ability to differentiate itself in the marketplace.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Shouldn't these features be implemented in the XMB (the main UI for the system) FIRST, and then placed in HOME? At least they should roll them out at the same time.
VanMardigan said:
Who cares?. Ripping things off that are good is not a bad thing for consumers. They could have copied the whole LIVE structure (minus the fee, of course) for the PS3 and I would have been fine with that. They had the time to do it but chose not to. Not copying your competitors is admirable but doesn't reliably translate into success.
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