PS3 likely to NOT be backward compatible with ps1/2. may even use HD DVD

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from CES. lower end blu ray readers DONT read DVD and NO blu ray reads CD ROM as of yet. this may be sonys reasoning for being so quiet on BC. How are you gonna create a disc format that cant even read the most popular disc format? CD?

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Pioneer's Blu-Ray pickup head. Loot at its massive size. It is still a work in progress, unlike production-ready HD-DVD pickup heads.

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Doesn't Nvidia making the chip remove backwards compatiblity anyways. Isn't that what everyone seems to think will prevent Microsoft from including it in Xenon with the jump to ATI?
 
BeOnEdge said:
from CES. lower end blu ray readers DONT read DVD and NO blu ray reads CD ROM as of yet. this may be sonys reasoning for being so quiet on BC. How are you gonna create a disc format that cant even read the most popular disc format? CD?

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Sanyo's production pickup head.

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Toshiba's notebook Hd-DVD drive

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Pioneer's Blu-Ray pickup head. Loot at its massive size. It is still a work in progress, unlike production-ready HD-DVD pickup heads.

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Hollywood studios set up a booth showing actual HD-DVD movies.
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First generation DVD-ROM drives used TWO lasers, one for CDs and one for DVDs, Sony could use the same approach here...
 
maybe they could have gone emulation or included a small chip like the ps2 does ps1 that handles the BC but this pretty much seals it. unless theres a more expensive BR that does CD as well or unless they go HD-DVD, a wise assumption would be goodbye backward compatibilty for ps3.

"First generation DVD-ROM drives used TWO lasers, one for CDs and one for DVDs, Sony could use the same approach here..."

also increasing the cost. tsc tsc.

the BR hardware also looks pretty bulky. ps3=massive xbox size. japan will have a fit. sony seems to not only be taking steps backwards but tripping over their feet at the same time. oh well. theres always PSP!
 
Keep dreaming. There's no way Sony would be stupid enough not to have backwards compatability in the PS3. It's one of the main reasons why the PS2 caught on so quickly. They'll come up with a solution.
 
Not gonna happen.

PS3 will use Blu-Ray. Ken Kutaragi is the head of Sony's Blu-Ray division for crying out loud.

How many times have we been through this before? PS2 won't play DVDs becauase it'd be suicide! PSP can't be $200 and won't play MP3s only crappy AATRAC!

Sony always gets it right.
 
Kutaragi has already confirmed PS3 will feature Blu Ray.
PS3 is the product on which all the Blu Ray group is counting to get an edge on the market over the HD-DVD.
So the possibility of PS3 not having a Blu Ray drive is 0.0% to me.
Backward compatibility is a different thing but Sony has clearly stated they want to have it.It's only a matter of how it impacts the costs of the system.
 
Sony has already specifically announced that the PS3 is going to use BluRay. If you're going to troll, at least keep up with the news.

CD/DVD reading can be accomplished with a BluRay drive in the system.
 
I will friggin laugh my ass off when PS3 ends up being more powerful than the Xenon, has backwards compatibility, *and* has the higher capacity Blu-Ray format.

The damage control is going to be priceless.
 
blu ray drives are expensive enough as it is. unless they launch a $400 system with no profit margin and $65 games(blu ray discs cost more too)then i wouldnt bet on it. HD DVD anyone?

"Calls issued for unifying HD DVD/Blue-ray formats at CES

www.chinaview.cn 2005-01-09 10:50:14

LAS VEGAS, Jan. 8 (Xinhuanet) -- Major TV industry and entertainment representatives issued urgent calls Saturday at the ongoing 2005 International Consumers Electronics Show (CES) to unify the HD DVD/Blue-ray systems to prevent an emerging formats battle.

Bob Chapek, president of the Digital Entertainment Group (DEG),urged his members to work harder to unite the HD DVD and Blue-ray Disc camps into developing or settling upon a single standard.

Both HD DVD and Blue-ray discs can dramatically increase the DVD discs' storage capacity from the present 4.7GB up to 50GB, thus saving space for consumers in enjoying video and audio entertainment.

"The time for unification is now, before a Darwinian process ofnatural selection can set in, and before the expenditures of many millions with the prospect of a stunted new format being a distance possibility," Chapek, also president of Buena Vista Home Video, spoke at a DEG meeting.

Weeks before the international CES, held in Las Vegas since Jan.6, Buena Vista joined Sony Pictures in announcing plans to supportthe Blue-Ray Disc format with movie titles, due to its larger disccapacity and the claimed ability to facilitate a broad range of extra content, including interactive applications.

Commenting on the split between major Hollywood studios on the HD DVD and Blue-ray Disc systems, Chapek stressed that the two parties should make concessions in order to avoid a formats war.

He said the DEG members, who are evenly divided on the formats battle, are in the best position to prevent the formats war so to save a lot of money that could be wasted if a future war breaks out.

At the same DEG meeting, former Sony executive Ron Boire echoedChapek's unification call, saying that because consumers need a single format of the new generation of DVD, industry leaders should work together to unify the HD DVD/Blue-ray formats.

Several Hollywood entertainment companies are planning to release more than 50 titles of movies in HD DVD format in the nearfuture.

To offer a technological solution to the possible formats war, Japanese company JVC unveiled at the CES a non-recordable hybrid disc featuring an integration of HD DVD/Blue-ray formats. The new DVD has three layers, dual DVD-layers topped by a 25GB high-definition Blue-ray layer for a total of 33.5GB capacity.

JVC company also said it is working on a four-layer disc providing two Blue-ray layers and two DVD layers for a total of 58.5GB of storage capacity. Enditem"

Blu Ray board would like a merger with HD-DVD but HD DVD board said NO. :lol tsc tsc. joe walmart will never see blu ray. HD DVD will be cheaper for greedy corporations and good enough for joe walmart
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Sony develop a drive that could read CDs/DVD from one lense for the PS2? If true, I don't think it's much of a stretch for them to accomplish something similar yet again.

Yeah, BC is expected, and I really hope it's in there. I don't care if it adds to the price. The convenience far outweighs the cost.
 
"Sony has already specifically announced that the PS3 is going to use BluRay. If you're going to troll, at least keep up with the news."

i didnt know posting factual info was trolling. do you see CD compatibility on that spec chart? I DON'T.
 
Has any electronics format ever succeeded without the support of Sony OR Matsushita?

HD-DVD is the inferior product and has less support overall.

Blu-Ray on PS3 is going to great.

We also don't know what cost Sony can get Blu-Ray drives for, its likely cheaper for them than you think it is. I think PS3 will definitely have PS2 backwards compatibility. Maybe not PSOne though, but even then the PS3 should be able to easily emulate PSOne games.

If its just a matter of reading old PSOne discs, Sony could always make a custom drive with two different lasers, like they did with the PS2.
 
Anyone who actually believes that PS3 won't be backward compatible with PS1/PS2 should consider a new hobby or profession. There is simply no way on this earth that Kutaragi will give in on this. A combined installed base of 175M units and no backwards compatibility? :lol
 
BeOnEdge said:
from CES. lower end blu ray readers DONT read DVD and NO blu ray reads CD ROM as of yet.

Philips develops all-in-one optical pickup unit for CD, DVD and Blu-ray Disc recording and playback

Date announced: 15 Jul 2004

Eindhoven, The Netherlands - Philips Electronics announced that it has developed an optical pick-up unit (OPU) that will be able to read and write CD-R/-RW, DVD+R(DL)/+RW and the next generation in optical storage: Blu-ray Disc (BD). With its new OPU81, Philips has created the first important building block of the all-in-one recorder that can record and playback all popular consumer optical formats. The new OPU can be used for the design of future data drives for the PC as well as consumer set-top box recorders. Mass production of the new OPU will start in 2006 when Philips anticipates that the mass-market demand for BD recorders will pick-up.

'Today, DVD recording is extremely popular in both PC and consumer video recording applications,' says Cor Saris, CEO of Philips Optical Storage. 'With the future rise of digital TV, consumers will want to record their high-definition content onto a high capacity 25/50 GB BD disc, but still want to record their standard definition content on a DVD+R or DVD+RW disc.'

By integrating the infrared, red and blue wavelength lasers and single detector into one single OPU concept, Philips has succeeded in developing a flexible triple-writer OPU design in a compact form factor, similar to the current OPU66 DVD writer. This means that hardware manufacturers can easily integrate this advanced OPU in a standard half-height drive or slim-line consumer set-top box recorder design. The compact OPU81 form factor is achieved by using a patented objective lens design. In this way the three different wavelengths (CD infrared 780 nm, DVD red 650 nm and BD blue 405 nm) can all use the same optical light path. A unique lens construction with active collimator enables reading and writing double layer Blu-ray Discs up to 50 GB.

The OPU81 is designed for mass production and will meet mass consumer price levels. The cost-effective OPU81 flexible architecture with three separate lasers allows the read and writing speeds to be optimized to specific applications. Moreover, future speed improvements using higher-powered lasers can be implemented quickly with this OPU concept.

Philips, as one of the 13 members of the Blu-ray Disc Founders, continues to develop new standards and products in anticipation of future consumer storage requirements. The OPU81 is a clear indication of Philips? commitment to introducing new technologies in mass volume applications of today.

http://www.physicsweb.org/press/7039

only 6 months ago
 
yeah but i wouldnt say its trolling geez get a grip. its definately a possibilty and not completely unreasonable.

"The new OPU can be used for the design of future data drives for the PC as well as consumer set-top box recorders. Mass production of the new OPU will start in 2006 when Philips anticipates that the mass-market demand for BD recorders will pick-up."

hmmmm so ps3 will record stuff too eh? $$$
 
isn't backward compatible with the PS2 enough? Sure it would be fantastic with both PS1+PS2 backward compatible support though.
 
Philips develops all-in-one optical pickup unit for CD, DVD and Blu-ray Disc recording and playback

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There's no way PS3 would fly without backwards compatibility. Sony will figure out a way somehow. I'll pass on first gen models, of course.
 
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Philips develops all-in-one optical pickup unit for CD, DVD and Blu-ray Disc recording and playback

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:lol :lol :lol tsc tsc bomb bomb $450 ps3 am cry
 
i am still not sure why i should care about bc - i have my pstwo and psx if feel like playing old, outdated games. maybe i can see the "marketing" of this but in reality i think it's an extremely usless feature for most cosumers. one of those things that sounds more useful than it is
 
Even dropping PS1 backwards compatibility would be pointless.

The PS3 should be able to easily emulate the PSOne, so there's really no need for hardware. The disc drive just has to be able to read the PSOne discs.

Wasn't the PS2 supposed to be $400-$500 because of DVD playback? Tsc tsc.
 
SantaCruZer said:
isn't backward compatible with the PS2 enough? Sure it would be fantastic with both PS1+PS2 backward compatible support though.

Welll, PS1 support would be almost automatic with PS2 backward compatibility. It would be stupid to leave it out.
 
LOL, the XBots on this forum are going to go crazy if the PS3 ends up with the better chipset too (say bye bye to the "XBox version is the best!" mantra).
 
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