PS3 shipments surpass 70 million, PSMove surpasses 15 million

I need more light gun games before I can qualify the Move as a success.

Speaking of that, how is HOD on move? I got move and I got DS Extraction and am buying Portal in motion and have killzone 3 to play, need a couple more games though.

I think they are counting the same games over & over again for the US, Japan ,UK & so on.

Yes, each specific SKU is probably counted as a game, so Killzone 3, for example, is probably counted 3 times (US, EU, Japan SKUs).
 
That's funny, I know a guy high up at Gamestop that said the opposite, I guess anecdotal data means nothing ^^
Well my experience is first hand, and I know that 360 outshipped PS3 probably 3-4:1. Our regional sent photos several times a week of stores' console set up & display, and 360 dwarfed PS3. I think it is pretty widely known that MS overships quite a bit.
 
Well my experience is first hand, and I know that 360 outshipped PS3 probably 3-4:1. Our regional sent photos several times a week of stores' console set up & display, and 360 dwarfed PS3. I think it is pretty widely known that MS overships quite a bit.

I think you don't know what you're talking about. Retailers order in what they want, MS can't force them to take consoles. It's not like some plan for MS to overship and beat PS3. And just because your experience is first hand doesn't make it anymore true, or trustworthy than my friend ...

Also I don't know of any other occasion where there have been overshipping issues with 360? Not in recent years anyway, bit said to label MS like that.
 
I think you don't know what you're talking about. Retailers order in what they want, MS can't force them to take consoles. It's not like some plan for MS to overship and beat PS3. And just because your experience is first hand doesn't make it anymore true, or trustworthy than my friend ...

Also I don't know of any other occasion where there have been overshipping issues with 360? Not in recent years anyway, bit said to label MS like that.
I know how retail works dude. This isn't some fanboy bullshit, MS simply overships at the holidays. Fact of the matter is that nearly all of what they ship gets sold eventually, so I don't know why you're making such a big deal about it. I'm not suggesting they do it to say they shipped more, I don't know if that's true and I don't care. But I know for a fact that they ship a shit ton of systems for the holidays.
 
I know how retail works dude. This isn't some fanboy bullshit, MS simply overships at the holidays. Fact of the matter is that nearly all of what they ship gets sold eventually, so I don't know why you're making such a big deal about it. I'm not suggesting they do it to say they shipped more, I don't know if that's true and I don't care. But I know for a fact that they ship a shit ton of systems for the holidays.


Yes, they all do, it's the holidays. Clue is in the title, doesn't mean they're overshipping.

That's just an assumption you are making. You really have no idea what percentage of PS Move owners have more than one of them.

Didn't last figures have them include the nav?
 
Speaking of that, how is HOD on move? I got move and I got DS Extraction and am buying Portal in motion and have killzone 3 to play, need a couple more games though..
Overkill? It's fantastic.

I bought the Resident Evil light gun games but man they're way too hard for me. Seems like they were designed around having 2 people optimally.
 
What are you talking about?

SC2, LBKR,Datura, The Unfinished Swan,Hot Shots Golf 5 and Wonderbook are the most recent ones.

Exactly and don't forget Portal 2 just got Move support. Also, Bioshock Infinite is going to have Move support.
Regarding the PS3, sales numbers are great and all but I bought the PS3 for exclusives and god damn it still has some great exclusives coming up.
 
I see 100 million as a realistic possibility. Depending on the release of the PS4, PS3 numbers could be already at 80+ million when that happens. Didn't Sony get permission to sell PS3's in China only recently?

Yea, that might be the thing to push the PS3 above 100 million.
 
And to think we just had like... 2-3 "SONY IS DOOMED, WILL THERE BE A PS4" threads too. Great news that they're over 70 now. I have a Move but I don't really use it much, happy to see that is gaining some traction as well.
 
Almost everyone that has Move has 2 controllers, so its probably more like a 1:10 ratio.

I own two move controllers and a navigation controller. I don't know how they count that. So it could be that each Move labeled peripheral is counted separately.

Does't really matter. I still use mine from time-to-time. It's kind of like my Guitar Hero guitar, my Singstar microphones, and my Logitech GT driving wheel I don't use them often but when I do I enjoy them.

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As far as Move controllers (Move/Navi) and sales.

Sony said they were going to profit on every Move controller sold from launch....so it shouldn't matter in their eyes much if one gamer owns 4 move controllers...compared to having 4 different gamers who own 1 move controller.

sure those 4 gamers might give Sony the opportunity to get 4 different software sales...but that one gamer who owns 4 Move controllers must love that Motion option (with fam and friends) and might invest in much more Move software.

either way 15 million is 15 million.....without much marketing.
 
They still have

The Last of Us
The Last Guardian (hopefully)
God of War: Ascension
Studio Ghibli's Nino Kuni
Quantic Dream's Beyond 2 Souls

for next year. Striking off FF Vs XIII because it's vaporware.
 
Yes, they all do, it's the holidays. Clue is in the title, doesn't mean they're overshipping.
They do overship. Go in any retail store before and after the holidays and you will see it first hand. I'm not sure why your second hand info trumps my first hand experience, but whatever man, believe what you want.
 
They still have

The Last of Us
The Last Guardian (hopefully)
God of War: Ascension
Studio Ghibli's Nino Kuni
Quantic Dream's Beyond 2 Souls

for next year. Striking off FF Vs XIII because it's vaporware.

This is probably the greatest lineup any console in history has recieved in its 7th year in the market.
 
I think you don't know what you're talking about. Retailers order in what they want, MS can't force them to take consoles. It's not like some plan for MS to overship and beat PS3. And just because your experience is first hand doesn't make it anymore true, or trustworthy than my friend ...

Also I don't know of any other occasion where there have been overshipping issues with 360? Not in recent years anyway, bit said to label MS like that.

They can if they wanna get that brand new Windows 8.

Yes, stuff like this happens. And it hasn't even been the first time for the 360 specifically.


And no, the plan isn't to "beat" the PS3. It's to please shareholders and say they met their targets.
 
PS3 has at least another couple of solid years in primary markets, so I have very little doubt its going to end up surpassing 360, its less a question of if, but when.

Its also worth considering that PS3 didn't launch in EMEA territories until March 2007, meaning that PS3 is missing not one, but two years worth of holiday sales in the region. Calling MS advantage the result of a 1 year lead has always been slightly disingenuous.
 
Exactly and don't forget Portal 2 just got Move support. Also, Bioshock Infinite is going to have Move support.
Regarding the PS3, sales numbers are great and all but I bought the PS3 for exclusives and god damn it still has some great exclusives coming up.
Yeah I was talking about mostly first party software but yeah it still has more to come in 2013.
 
They can if they wanna get that brand new Windows 8.

Yes, stuff like this happens. And it hasn't even been the first time for the 360 specifically.


And no, the plan isn't to "beat" the PS3. It's to please shareholders and say they met their targets.
And peripherals & points cards. Trust me, Gamestop makes a SHITLOAD on this stuff. I was seriously in awe at how many 360 controllers, points cards & headsets I sold last year. I expected a lot, but I was blown away at controller sales alone. Yes, they probably leverage 360 overshipments with the peripherals, but I'm sure Gamestop isn't mad about it because they are making a load of money on the thing.
 
I think the PS3 has enough gas to keep going for a year or even two (depending on how well Sony decides to support the system). When everything is said and done for this gen they might snatch that second place which imo it's deserved. Love the PS3 library.

Regarding Move, probably half of those numbers or more are sitting in warehouses. I have yet to meet a PS3 owner that bought a Move controller or Navi.
 
They still have

The Last of Us
The Last Guardian (hopefully)
God of War: Ascension
Studio Ghibli's Nino Kuni
Quantic Dream's Beyond 2 Souls

for next year. Striking off FF Vs XIII because it's vaporware.

Can't say I give much of a shit about God of War, but yeah - that is a killer line-up for an aging console. And that's without mentioning Sly 4 in Feb or Puppeteer in the Autumn season. Fingers crossed that Until Dawn is worth a damn and Yakuza 5 gets localised (I think it will) also.

I think where the PS3 is concerned, it has some real longevity. It was easy to scoff at Sony's "ten year life cycle" declarations years ago, but it looks like it's going to play out that way now.
 
Great result and the 2013 lineup is probably the best ever for the platform with up to 4 big first party exclusives.
Hopefully they can make a 199$ price cut in spring (should have been done this year) in time with the GTAV launch.
I believe that next year PS3 will finally surpass the 360 LTD sales and that by the end of its lifecycle it will match the PSone numbers.
An amazing comeback, now if they could use a bit of that magic for an other platform as well :P
 
And to think we just had like... 2-3 "SONY IS DOOMED, WILL THERE BE A PS4" threads too. Great news that they're over 70 now. I have a Move but I don't really use it much, happy to see that is gaining some traction as well.

Yeah I still never understand this. Most people are arguing from the standpoint like the PS4 will never sell despite the fact that the PS3 is outselling the 360 worldwide and the PS brand name is still strong. It would be more reasonable to argue from a financial standpoint since the PS4 is practically guaranteed to sell at a loss but Sony almost assuredly has budgeted for the anticipated cost.
 
I think the PS3 has enough gas to keep going for a year or even two (depending on how well Sony decides to support the system). When everything is said and done for this gen they might snatch that second place which imo it's deserved. Love the PS3 library.

Regarding Move, probably half of those numbers or more are sitting in warehouses. I have yet to meet a PS3 owner that bought a Move controller or Navi.

why would stores keep ordering more if this were the case?
 
And to think we just had like... 2-3 "SONY IS DOOMED, WILL THERE BE A PS4" threads too. Great news that they're over 70 now. I have a Move but I don't really use it much, happy to see that is gaining some traction as well.
Sales don't indicate financial health of a company, especially sales in one division of a large company.
GM was the #2 selling automaker when they went bankrupt.
 
Speaking of that, how is HOD on move? I got move and I got DS Extraction and am buying Portal in motion and have killzone 3 to play, need a couple more games though.



Yes, each specific SKU is probably counted as a game, so Killzone 3, for example, is probably counted 3 times (US, EU, Japan SKUs).

The House of Dead games should only be played on PS3. The Wii does not have the accuracy. :-)
 
Speaking of that, how is HOD on move? I got move and I got DS Extraction and am buying Portal in motion and have killzone 3 to play, need a couple more games though.

If you're asking about Overkill, it's awesome. I don't know where you are, but in the UK it's £8. Absolute steal. You even get two pairs of 3D glasses in the box.
 
I think the PS3 has enough gas to keep going for a year or even two (depending on how well Sony decides to support the system). When everything is said and done for this gen they might snatch that second place which imo it's deserved. Love the PS3 library.

Regarding Move, probably half of those numbers or more are sitting in warehouses. I have yet to meet a PS3 owner that bought a Move controller or Navi.

Should we walk around with the PlayStation Move in our hands so people will know that we are PS3 owners that bought a Move controller? how does this work?
 
Can't say I give much of a shit about God of War, but yeah - that is a killer line-up for an aging console. And that's without mentioning Sly 4 in Feb or Puppeteer in the Autumn season. Fingers crossed that Until Dawn is worth a damn and Yakuza 5 gets localised (I think it will) also.

I think where the PS3 is concerned, it has some real longevity. It was easy to scoff at Sony's "ten year life cycle" declarations years ago, but it looks like it's going to play out that way now.

SE did mention that we should start hearing information about FF vs 13 publicly "sometime" in 2013. Hopefully it will get a worldwide release by the end of next year, but it's looking like a 2014 game to be honest.

But then, SE promised lot of things. Who knows.
 
The simple reality is that regardless of whether the next Playstation console releases in 2013 or 2014, the vast majority of software sales MUST come from extant platforms for at least the next 2 years.

This says, unambiguously that PS3 MUST be supported through 2014. You don't cut and run on servicing a 70m+ install base to focus exclusively on an untried platform unless you either have no choice (minimal income, or loss on that system's software) or don't mind a lot of red-ink on your balance sheets in the short term.

2014 launches for TLG and Versus aren't unthinkable, in fact they might even be considered desirable given what we know already about their line-up for 2013.
 
As far as Move controllers (Move/Navi) and sales.

Sony said they were going to profit on every Move controller sold from launch....so it shouldn't matter in their eyes much if one gamer owns 4 move controllers...compared to having 4 different gamers who own 1 move controller.

sure those 4 gamers might give Sony the opportunity to get 4 different software sales...but that one gamer who owns 4 Move controllers must love that Motion option (with fam and friends) and might invest in much more Move software.

either way 15 million is 15 million.....without much marketing.

It matters insofar as it informs developers on how big their potential market is for a title to have Move support or be Move exclusive. Kinect figures are clear - every sale means one potential consumer. But for Move, you do need to factor in how many would have one or two Move controllers. One consumer could have up to four, or just one.

I do think however that the Move figures Sony is giving are Move controllers exclusively. So based on that, I'd say that if 1 in 5 Move owners has two Move controllers (which I think is probably a realistic figure), then that would mean 12,5 PS3s have a Move attached. Which isn't bad at all for a peripheral.

200 titles support the Move to some extent though, so that's not bad either.
 
Don't worry, the 360 is comfortably ahead of the PS3 in the US and UK. Possibly even doubling it.

Of course they will never catch up in the US. I think the lead is like 14 million behind or something but I'm interested to see Japanese numbers and most important PAL numbers as it seems SCEE pushes the system more than any other region so was interested to see how big a piece of the pie SCEE takes out of the 70.
 
2009 PS3 lineup has it beat.

IMO no, 2013 is just crazy with such titles already confirmed:

Ni No Kuni
Tomb Raider
Bioshock Infinite
God of War Ascension
The Last of Us
Beyond
Grand Theft Auto 5
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2

plus the unconfirmed releases like The Last Guardian and all the unannounced titles both BR and PSN. That is simply amazing.
 
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