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PS4 Pro PR has been terrible

Ozorov said:
Dunno about that, but I think we will get a lot more information coming next week. The invite also mentioned Ratchet and clank, Gran turismo and Ni-oh (IIRC)
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Oh my my, this is just lovely! Ratchet already looks godlike on PS4, I can't even imagine how it'll look on Pro if Insomniac decides to patch support. Nioh is my main jam though, I'm super excited for any Pro support/news on that baby. I'm kinda hyped now a bit for next week LOL.
 
WheelHoss1 said:
I'm curious what high-end PC users have for say about the Pro vs. Scorpio power debate.

TBH I didn't even know teraflop was a word until this summer, but as I have a 4K HDR set, I'm wondering if 4.2 TFs really isn't enough for 4K gaming as P Spencer says.

Is 6 teraflops really the sweet spot or will 4.2 be ok?
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I don't get caught up in the spec wars, but it's going to run patched content better than the current PS4/Slim, and a good chunk of the purchase price will be made up for by eBaying my outgoing PS4. Personally, it would annoy me knowing there was a more powerful PS4 out there that ran things in higher resolution and better framerates for $100 less than a PSVR bundle w/o any games and a relatively minor $100 premium over an XB1S. Pretty sure I paid $400 for my original PS4 too, so paying the same doesn't bother me. I'm sure I'll get a Scorpio too, but that's a year+ off, so tbh, I don't care about that at all atm.
 
I think its fine... the market for the Pro (same as Scorpio) are people like you and me, GAFers, people who read tech sites, people who already pre-ordered. The Slim exists for everyone else.
 
Does anyone have an idea if pro will be better for 4k users than 1080p ones yet?

Like if you have a 4k its a must, if you dont its marginal upgrade or vice versa.

Thats the aspect im most curious about,
 
Yea it's not stellar.

But I expect it to pick up soon.

I've got mine preordered anyway.
Haines said:
Does anyone have an idea if pro will be better for 4k users than 1080p ones yet?

Like if you have a 4k its a must, if you dont its marginal upgrade or vice versa.

Thats the aspect im most curious about,
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You get a similar upgrade on 1080p. Downscaling is VERY good. You might not get HDR.

It's still a good upgrade for 1080p. It's just even better for 4K and HDR though.

Downscaling is very good at 1080p on PC. Very awesome.

But all of this only applies for future games, or patched games already released. Not all past games will be patched, but all/most games coming out after PS4 Pro will have Pro modes.
 
Caipirinha said:
I have the Pro preordered but if I told you truthfully why it's because I've recently gotten a big pay rise and literally did it on impulse whilst walking through the mall on pay day.

I can't tell you what I expect to gain from the Pro as a 1080p TV owner, which the vast majority of PS4 owners are and probably the majority of Pro owners will be, because I really don't know.

I know what it can do, I know that a 4+ teraflop console could produce significant IQ improvements and performance boosts in all games over the base PS4, I know that for the price of the Pro the IQ and performance boosts that are possible are easily worth it...

But whether I am actually going to get those boosts I have no idea. I don't know which games are going to give me what bar Tomb Raider, a game I have no interest in.

If I was a 4K TV owner then the answer to these questions would be fairly straight forward: in most games going forward and some going back, I'll have a much more appropriate output for my TV.

So do Sony care about 1080p Pro users? If they don't, they need to say this is not for you and you should not have any expectations. If they do, as they should considering the market and my genuine prediction that >50% of people buying a Pro will not have 4K TVs, then they need to get serious and give us some bloody details. You sold it to me already because I'm an idiot, sell it to everyone else, make us NEED a PS4 Pro regardless of what TV we own because with the hardware in that box you CAN do that.

There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that doubling the power of a god damn console will give them significantly better graphical experiences. The fact it is even a question for 1080p users is imo failure I am actually impressed Sony have even managed to make, I didn't think it would be possible.
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Don't be fooled by the people who keep asking what it will do for 1080p TV owners they know it will be better even without a 4K TV this is just one of the go to lines that they use along with no UHD Blu-ray no buy or saying something about it not being true 4K.

Things can't be too bad because the PS4 Pro has already sold more for the year on Amazon than The Xbox One S highest selling model & it haven't even released yet.



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inner-G said:
To be fair, there were like a dozen different One S bundles
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But I think this one was the only one that you could get at launch so the fact that PS4 Pro has already out sold it should tell you that things are not as bad as people make it out to be.
 
onQ123 said:
But I think this one was the only one that you could get at launch so the fact that PS4 Pro has already out sold it should tell you that things are not as bad as people make it out to be.
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At launch, there was never any other outcome. Even Wii U sold really well during launch as did the X1 @ $500, we'll see how well it's been received from Jan/Feb onwards.
 
Jumeira said:
At launch, there was never any other outcome. Even Wii U sold really well during launch as did the X1 @ $500, we'll see how well it's been received from Jan/Feb onwards.
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But we are talking about right now & right now as this thread goes on about the bad PR it is already moving pass the Xbox One S on Amazon. So the PR can't be too bad if the One S is doing well & the Pro is doing better on Amazon before it's even released & the people who work at retail on Neogaf have been telling people that it's doing really good in other stores too.
 
onQ123 said:
But we are talking about right now & right now as this thread goes on about the bad PR it is already moving pass the Xbox One S on Amazon. So the PR can't be too bad if the One S is doing well & the Pro is doing better on Amazon before it's even released & the people who work at retail on Neogaf have been telling people that it's doing really good in other stores too.
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Yeah, I can add to that. Was at a local EB Games today and asked them if the pre-orders were moving. They said they were selling very strongly. It seems pretty universal. This console is wanted.
 
Marty Chinn said:
So again, you have no idea what's involved with thoroughly checking to see if a game is "glitchy".
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You don't have to test games thoroughly for something like this. If they are coded in such a way to be so inflexible that a CPU upclock would ruin them, that would be visible within moments of starting the game, or the first time it needs to load and decompress something, or stream something in. We're not talking visiting every nook and cranny of every level to see if the character is going to fall through the ground, or testing some weird and time consuming edge cases. We're talking scenario that if the game is working perfectly for 10 minutes of playing it normally, there's 99.9% confidence that it will continue to play normally through the end. And if it glitches, it will be painfully obvious within minutes of starting it, and then you just discard it without paying any further attention. And you need to do this for a few dozen games, if that.

And even if this is some herculean effort like you seem it would be, I'll remind you that Sony went through a far bigger effort to determine which PS2 games won't work correctly on one of the PS2 slim models, when they published such a list. So basically no matter how big or small the effort is, they routinely seem to go through with it every time a new revision of the console is made - so why should this be any different.
 
visiblemode said:
Yeah, I can add to that. Was at a local EB Games today and asked them if the pre-orders were moving. They said they were selling very strongly. It seems pretty universal. This console is wanted.
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I don't think people understand that these consoles are probably going to sell as fast as Sony can produce them for the next 2 months & right now all they have to worry about is getting them out to stores.
 
visiblemode said:
Yeah, I can add to that. Was at a local EB Games today and asked them if the pre-orders were moving. They said they were selling very strongly. It seems pretty universal. This console is wanted.
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When a new nvidia gpu is released the only marketing is that it's x times more powerful than the previous generation, no one says I need screen shots because I dont know how this gpu is going to make my games look better.

Posters on gaf claiming they are confused are just being willfully ignorant. Even "normal" people can figure out what a 2x more powerful PS can do which is why it's selling so well.
 
BlitzerRadic said:
When a new nvidia gpu is released the only marketing is that it's x times more powerful than the previous generation, no one says I need screen shots because I dont know how this gpu is going to make my games look better.

Posters on gaf claiming they are confused are just being willfully ignorant. Even "normal" people can figure out what a 2x more powerful PS can do which is why it's selling so well.
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I'd like to agree with you, and I also concur there shouldn't be this much confusion. I upgrade my GPU every other year to get the best graphics. Really glad I can do the same on console now. Not sure why some people seem to have difficulty understanding that the Pro will entail better graphics across the board. Games will support it going forward, and exploit it even more for releases further down the line.
 
potatohead said:
Yea it's not stellar.

But I expect it to pick up soon.

I've got mine preordered anyway.

You get a similar upgrade on 1080p. Downscaling is VERY good. You might not get HDR.

It's still a good upgrade for 1080p. It's just even better for 4K and HDR though.

Downscaling is very good at 1080p on PC. Very awesome.

But all of this only applies for future games, or patched games already released. Not all past games will be patched, but all/most games coming out after PS4 Pro will have Pro modes.
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Are we talking better fps on pro at 1080p?
 
One thing that is probably going to annoy me with the Pro, and it is one of the main reasons I avoid PC gaming, is choosing between better graphics in 1080p mode or less complex graphics at higher resolution in 4k mode. I know that sounds really silly, but I am a tweaker and I spend more time in a PC games settings than I do actually playing the game. I totally see myself doing it with the Pro, jumping between 1080p and 4k and deciding what I like more, and then do it a few more times for good measure. I'm just a really indecisive person, it sucks.
 
I always thought it was pretty clear in all the things they said it would do and the things it wouldnt... I wouldnt consider myself a wizard either.
 
KyleCross said:
One thing that is probably going to annoy me with the Pro, and it is one of the main reasons I avoid PC gaming, is choosing between better graphics in 1080p mode or less complex graphics at higher resolution in 4k mode. I know that sounds really silly, but I am a tweaker and I spend more time in a PC games settings than I do actually playing the game. I totally see myself doing it with the Pro, jumping between 1080p and 4k and deciding what I like more, and then do it a few more times for good measure. I'm just a really indecisive person, it sucks.
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You won't be given a choice for most games. At least not initially.
 
PR seemed pretty straightforward.

There will be even more info as we get closer to launch.

The anxiety voiced by some folks in this thread, among others, is unwarranted.
 
onQ123 said:
I don't think people understand that these consoles are probably going to sell as fast as Sony can produce them for the next 2 months & right now all they have to worry about is getting them out to stores.
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Yeah I totally agree. I think this will be a very strong seller through the holidays. Am day one, personally. Can't wait!
 
I just want the best versions of games for the family.

I'm really not interested in the Scorpio tbh. Microsoft still seems to be banking heavily on three franchises. Halo, gears and Forza......I love Forza horizon 3....but I'm not going to buy a Scorpio for 4 if it becomes exclusive. Gears is dead to me after the micro transaction fiasco....plus the story in my opinion was really dull. Multiplayer was fantastic though. Halo....yes, 343 killed it for me......no need to bother anymore. Then everything else has yet to even release. Where the hell is scale bound? That rare pirates game? Even if I want them....PC exists as an option now and I have no need for an Xbox for exclusives. It's all about Nintendo and Sony getting money for hardware in my eyes from me.


I just want my FFXV Finally!!!!! TLG, horizon ZD, and of course....Days Gone looks so good. My most anticipated after that E3 tech demo of it.



I have experienced HDR due to the S on my TV. While it definitely improves the feel with the brightness.....it's not a huge deal breaker for me to play without it. In fact I would still rather play on my 1080p monitor. Games will still look fucking amazing and absolutely gorgeous, plus I get the best input lag reported still to date with my monitor.

I'm more excited for down sampling and crystal clear 1080p than HDR and check board 4k for nearly all games.
 
I just hope Sony picked the right fan this time for the pro. I ended up changing the Stock cooling fan on my OG PS4 and it did wonders for fan noise.
 
I called my local wal-mart earlier today and they said the system is in high demand and they recommended me to camp out because they have been getting an influx of calls about people wondering the "stock" of pro units. wtf
 
Wishmaster92 said:
I called my local wal-mart earlier today and they said the system is in high demand and they recommended me to camp out because they have been getting an influx of calls about people wondering the "stock" of pro units. wtf
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Pft, going to go to my local mom and pop store up the street to see if they have one on release day. Going to look again when I go to buy Final Fantasy XV at the end of November, thats it.

Already got a PS4 and if I can't simply walk over and upgrade, I'm simply not getting one for the next few months.
 
So, anyone knows if there's a way to keep P.T. if I ever buy one of these things, or should I keep this PS4 forever now.
 
After a few days of this thread i'm detecting a collective yearning for sony to introduce some talking points into the social marketing mix. To combat something. Why else would the op call for better pr? For better propaganda? The actual information is readily available so it can't be that. Some of you just want internet ammo more than real information.

PR or fud campaigns will have a limited effect on the result. The sales will probably be so strong that we will never be able to measure the effect of this so called terrible pr.
 
Chao said:
So, anyone knows if there's a way to keep P.T. if I ever buy one of these things, or should I keep this PS4 forever now.
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Just use the system transfer.. part of the PS4 operating system, connect both PS4's together and transfer all the data including P.T to the Pro.
 
BlitzerRadic said:
When a new nvidia gpu is released the only marketing is that it's x times more powerful than the previous generation, no one says I need screen shots because I dont know how this gpu is going to make my games look better.

Posters on gaf claiming they are confused are just being willfully ignorant. Even "normal" people can figure out what a 2x more powerful PS can do which is why it's selling so well.
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Very true.
 
ron_bato said:
the new data transfer method (via ethernet cable) should work. though i cant confirm this.
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Backup and restore from a USB drive works fine, and I can confirm this – at least between different drives in a PS4. I can't imagine it will be any different for the PS4 Pro since the same rights management scheme is used for everything on the platform.
 
Crayon said:
After a few days of this thread i'm detecting a collective yearning for sony to introduce some talking points into the social marketing mix. To combat something. Why else would the op call for better pr? For better propaganda? The actual information is readily available so it can't be that. Some of you just want internet ammo more than real information.

PR or fud campaigns will have a limited effect on the result. The sales will probably be so strong that we will never be able to measure the effect of this so called terrible pr.
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Definitely a bunch of people waiting for PR so they can trot out the usual lines 'fuck you Sony' ,'Sony dun goofed', 'I'm buying a PC', 'PR faux lol' and how they're failing since PS4 launch.

I can't imagine any other reason (bar war) why people want MORE PR, I'd prefer less.
 
onQ123 said:
But I think this one was the only one that you could get at launch so the fact that PS4 Pro has already out sold it should tell you that things are not as bad as people make it out to be.
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Umm its not sold out. Selling out does not mean its still not what people want it to do for their old games and moving forward.

Wishmaster92 said:
I called my local wal-mart earlier today and they said the system is in high demand and they recommended me to camp out because they have been getting an influx of calls about people wondering the "stock" of pro units. wtf
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Ummm...its available all over the place for preorders online. Bestbuy will get it to you for free on release day. Gamestop is still taking orders and having it ready for instore pickup. But looking at the walmart web site (closes I would ever get to walmart) it does appear to not have an option for store pickup but they do seem to be delivering it to your home. I really think the issue is not supply its just that stores are getting less interested in selling video game stuff. If you watch the NPDs sales in retail are continuing to fall...looking like its online or digital is just taking over video game purchases. So it maybe they are not going to stock a lot of stuff any more. As I said I think you can still go into Gamestop and get one ordered.
 
Cthulhu_Steev said:
Definitely a bunch of people waiting for PR so they can trot out the usual lines 'fuck you Sony' ,'Sony dun goofed', 'I'm buying a PC', 'PR faux lol' and how they're failing since PS4 launch.

I can't imagine any other reason (bar war) why people want MORE PR, I'd prefer less.
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Antagonizes producing concern about the pro have been obvious. I was referring more specifically to some sony fans who want sony to hit the ball back with some catty tweets or be more proactive in shaping the prevailing narrative. Sony's not going to bother, tho.
 
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