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PS4 Pro PR has been terrible

Yeah its been pretty bad, almost as bad as the infamous PS3 early days. I'm a sucker for tech and use the PS4 as my primary gaming system so I will still be buying one, but the PR on this has been abysmal and I wouldn't fault anyone for not seeing any need to get one.
 
I think a strong push starts next week. I did not think about the possibility that they were letting some poor uninformed saps buy the lower version until the quarter was over.
 
I'm curious what high-end PC users have for say about the Pro vs. Scorpio power debate.

TBH I didn't even know teraflop was a word until this summer, but as I have a 4K HDR set, I'm wondering if 4.2 TFs really isn't enough for 4K gaming as P Spencer says.

Is 6 teraflops really the sweet spot or will 4.2 be ok?
personally it pushes me toward nintendo switch if anything.

the sweet spot is always higher up...
 
So can someone knowledgeable on the subject explain Mark Cerny's comments on half precision operations leading to 8.4 tf performance. What does that mean for development? When would that technique result in native 4k?
 
I'm curious what high-end PC users have for say about the Pro vs. Scorpio power debate.

TBH I didn't even know teraflop was a word until this summer, but as I have a 4K HDR set, I'm wondering if 4.2 TFs really isn't enough for 4K gaming as P Spencer says.

Is 6 teraflops really the sweet spot or will 4.2 be ok?

The ps4 pro is like slightly faster than a gtx 970 which is underpowered as far as near-4k is concerned. With that said PC users have typically been Sony leaning because there are more exclusives to play so to someone with a PC is just going to consider it as a way to play better looking versions of Sony exclusives. A Scorpio should be ok if you want to replace your PC with a new Xbox and better at multiplatform games than the PS4 pro but for me I'm just going to continue upgrading my PC (still got a 970 in desktop but I've recently bought a laptop with a 1070 so it will be while before the desktop gets upgraded)
 
Pro is meh to a guy like me who likes his PS4 graphics and is content with them. If the Pro was cheaper....

or had a generous trade in offer which no one is actually doing.... YET XBOXONES FUCKING GOT ONE FOR NOT EVEN A BIG UPGRADE! WTF?!
Was a teeny tiny boost and just slimmed way the fuck down, generous trade in offers.
PS4Pro, big boost all around.... NOPE F you pay up full $400 or trade in your old ps4 for a measly $125
 
Why exactly do they need to do any of that? Its not like OG PS4 doesn't already hold a performance advantage over their primary competitors "new" box.

Given that the performance checkbox has already been ticked, placing any direct comparison would be just them competing against themselves! Not a smart move really as it undercuts the base PS4 when its still doing well.

Personally I appreciate that Sony aren't trying to ram the need to upgrade down my throat.

Pretty much. The only push needed will have to take place at retail, I think. Hook the PS4 Pro to a nice monitor and train sales representatives adequately so that they may explain the differences between the models. That is it...
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

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lol.

Hey, quick question: If I want to trade my PS4 for a Pro, how do I transfer game saves to the Pro? I don't have PS+, so my saves aren't in the cloud. I can't hook the two systems together, since I'll be taking the old PS4 to the store for the trade-in. How do I get the old saves to the Pro? Can I save them on a USB drive?
 
lol.

Hey, quick question: If I want to trade my PS4 for a Pro, how do I transfer game saves to the Pro? I don't have PS+, so my saves aren't in the cloud. I can't hook the two systems together, since I'll be taking the old PS4 to the store for the trade-in. How do I get the old saves to the Pro? Can I save them on a USB drive?

Any USB drive will work. I keep backups of "important" saves if I think I may come back years later to a game. I just don't trust any cloud with long term storage. I don't know why?
 
Meanwhile, as the release is coming, the PS4 Pro is just back in the Amazon top 20 on a hourly basis. I'm pretty sure it never went lower than #30 or #35 ever since it was announced.

Two weeks left ! :)
 
It's been too long since PS4 launch.
Were there/do you think there will be bundles with a game for christmas season where you can save a bit?
 
Meanwhile, as the release is coming, the PS4 Pro is just back in the Amazon top 20 on a hourly basis. I'm pretty sure it never went lower than #30 or #35 ever since it was announced.

Two weeks left ! :)

and it's number 86 for the year; higher than any of the new "Slim" editions which are already out.
 
Generous trade in offers are designed to drum up business.

Retailers don't need to do that for the Pro.

Not to mention, Sony is not so desperate for sales figures as to sabotage their own products to bolster the new one. No official upgrade deals to cannibalize your own previous sales and saving announcements to not interfere with consumers buying hardware that's on the market.

MS basically just paid customers to upgrade their hardware while giving them a big reason to not even bother buying an Xbox for 18 months
 
lol.

Hey, quick question: If I want to trade my PS4 for a Pro, how do I transfer game saves to the Pro? I don't have PS+, so my saves aren't in the cloud. I can't hook the two systems together, since I'll be taking the old PS4 to the store for the trade-in. How do I get the old saves to the Pro? Can I save them on a USB drive?

do a system backup
 
It's been too long since PS4 launch.
Were there/do you think there will be bundles with a game for christmas season where you can save a bit?

Honestly? I wouldn't expect a Pro Bundle until next year sometime when even more games are supporting the platform. Most of the big games already have some kind of bundle, or will have one announced soon, so you run the risk of having 2 bundles out there featuring the same game. Despite it's advantages, the new uninformed customer will likely pick up the cheaper of the two.

If anything, I say the first bundle you're going to see is Horizon: Zero Dawn.
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.
lol
 
Generous trade in offers are designed to drum up business.

Retailers don't need to do that for the Pro.

I could see them doing something next fall if at all.

More likely is I see Sony doing a price cut/great bundles to counter the Scorpio and whatever price tag that thing is going to have. If you could get a Pro with RDR2, Days Gone or Detroit for $350-$399 vs a $500 Xbox with nothing...
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

This is absurd. I believe it.
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

This guy is an insider so this must be true.
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one
 
Just remembered need to cancel my pro preorder. I've loved the PS4 this gen so the pro seemed like a nobrainer. Now, I think I'm going to wait on scorpio. The 6TB gpu has me excited, and I think it could be a much better VR console. The one has been a janky experience for me. (Gear4 kicks ass though!) After trying Oculus I really do see VR/AR being huge in console gaming. Also Xbox crossplay games on the PC, could be a huge game changer. The way things are shaping up the ps4pro feel like a load shot early, especially for how quickly i believe the market is going to change. I normally gravitate to the more powerful consoles technically.

SMS>NES :P
AMIGA>PC
XBOX>PS2
PS4>ONE
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

Oh you...
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

Not really. Sony does pretty well with having a less technically powerful console. They usually have at least one strength that becomes leveraged in their software. It feels like less powerful console hurts MS more.

ps1- insane storage, efficient cheap 3d
ps2- memory bandwidth, raw gpu power
ps3- bountiful sub cpus.
ps4- flops; memory
 
Not really. Sony does pretty well with having a less technically powerful console. They usually have at least one strength that becomes leveraged in their software. It feels like less powerful console hurts MS more.

ps1- insane storage, efficient cheap 3d
ps2- memory bandwidth, raw gpu power
ps3- bountiful sub cpus.
ps4- flops; memory

He's trolling you.
 
Little off topic but will it be possible to transfer stuff to pro and keep the original ps4 activated along with the data?

Edit:
From the limited info I've heard, I was told it deactivates the ps4 automatically and moves everything instead of copying.
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

Not really. Sony does pretty well with having a less technically powerful console. They usually have at least one strength that becomes leveraged in their software. It feels like less powerful console hurts MS more.

ps1- insane storage, efficient cheap 3d
ps2- memory bandwidth, raw gpu power
ps3- bountiful sub cpus.
ps4- flops; memory

He's trolling you.

Yup, fishing, what do you use when you're fishing........

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Little off topic but will it be possible to transfer stuff to pro and keep the original ps4 activated and data?

Edit:
From the limited info I've heard, I was told it deactivates the ps4 automatically and moves everything instead of copying.


I think it only copies the data, as the official instructions say to ensure you do a complete restore on your original to remove everything from it once finished.

You should just be able to load the original one up with everything still intact.
 
I think not including a UHD Blu Ray player was a massive misstep on Sony's part. After the bitstream announcement yesterday, it's the single reason why I will be picking up an X1S over the PS4 Pro.

I would have gladly paid the premium for the Pro over the X1S of they had included a UHD drive since I already own a PS4 and I would be able to play all my current games on it.
 
I think Scorpio just shook Sony so hard that they haven't been able to recover. Microsoft snatched the soul right out of the Pro before it was even announced. Andrew House looked defeated on stage. Did you see him? He'd given up. He was like baby don't hurt me no more.

Between this and the tag, I don't know what to believe in GAF anymore. Everyone is either crazy or super sarcastic. Which is it?!
 
Between this and the tag, I don't know what to believe in GAF anymore. Everyone is either crazy or super sarcastic. Which is it?!

He is wrong! With the new Nintendo Switch announcements and unprecedented 3rd party relationship, both Sony and MS are shook by Nintendo. Power of PS4 in your hand!

Also, not all tags are as they seem... :)
 
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