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PS4 Pro PR has been terrible
- Thread starter Caipirinha
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GinoFelino
Member
A meaty GPU upgrade like....something 2.2x the power of your previous one? :O
Wishmaster92
Member
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah that's basicly what it is. With a lot of other improvements.
But ofcourse you can also save the money to upgrade a PC. To each their own.
The difference being that a GPU upgrade would net you better results across all your games.
Yep. I'm especially curious to see these "VR improvements", what and how they do it and how it affects performance
The GPU upgrade on the PS4Pro is not even remotely worth 400€. I'd be able to get a GPU for my PC that severely outmatches it for that price.
The fact that the GPU "upgrade" for PS4 doesn't actually make the vast majority of all games released so far actually get better IQ and framerates, that makes the value even worse.
GinoFelino
Member
Well, the good news is: there's a product just for you, it's called the Personal Computer!
Marty Chinn
Member
It's quite simple really. Resources, time and money are finite in game development. Game development as is can hardly fit x amount of work by release. Do you not wonder why Day 1 patches exist? Do you not wonder why people complain about obvious bugs that still ship with the game? So with x amount of tasks, this is already happening. Now you want to have x + y amount of work. If x amount of work is already causing crunch, day 1 patches, and still bugs, why does anyone think adding more work within those same restrictions doesn't cause something to give somewhere else? That's how software quality potentially suffers. This has nothing to do about complexity of the work. It's about the time and resources to do it while doing everything else. In the scope of things, Pro support is low on the priority list given everything else that needs to get done. The more enhancement you want, the more of that time, and resources that get taken away from the rest of the game.
A GTX1060 is probably slightly better than a PS4 Pro and costs about $250. That GPU will play all current PS4 games at 1080p60 with full effects on where as the PS4 Pro will not.
Marty Chinn
Member
Well.. not all of them
Well, ya not the exclusives =)
SprachBrooks
Member
Dude, you're honestly fighting a losing battle and increasingly sounding like a dinosaur. The Pro is happening, it'll sell well and we'll get a PS5 in a few years. Iterative is the way forward now, accept it and no-one is stopping you from keeping your OG PS4. Or, as you threaten to, go play on a PC/smartphone.
Always-honest
Banned
Well, you get a whole lot more than a GPU....
And yes it requires a patch for a game to take advantage of it. This is not a pc.
But you made your pc point. Don't worry, we all know.
I just want to play Ps4 exclusives in the best way. No pc does that so it's the only option right now.
I love that gif.
BlitzerRadic
Member
If that's the case, why haven't you bought a PC GPU then?
If I already own a PS4, a better GPU is basically all i'm aqquiring if I buy a Pro, yes.
I already completed Uncharted 4 and I don't have any interest on playing it again at 4K ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Marty Chinn
Member
Why don't we wait until it's actually out and see how well it sells before making such definitive claims that it's a done deal?
Rick Dangerous
Banned
My bet : a few here are going to eat some crows soon.
A lot here are just in this thread to convince that ps4pro has little value.
Once hands on impressions will flood, gates will open and trolls will vanish.
No need for PR. the product should speak for itself.
Before year s end, psp4 will be mine.
There is simply no better option for gaming, at 400.
A lot here are just in this thread to convince that ps4pro has little value.
Once hands on impressions will flood, gates will open and trolls will vanish.
No need for PR. the product should speak for itself.
Before year s end, psp4 will be mine.
There is simply no better option for gaming, at 400.
Always-honest
Banned
Ah right. I understand.If I already own a PS4, a better GPU is basically all i'm aqquiring if I buy a Pro, yes.
I already completed Uncharted 4 and I don't have any interest on playing it again at 4K ¯_(ツ
And i think a lot of people with a PS4 will think the same.
Like, the PS4Pro by itself is pretty damn good deal if you're buying the PS4 for the first time. But as someone who already had bought a regular PS4 for 400 before, it doesn't justify other 400. Especially when my favorite games on the system are not getting a Pro patch.
- Faster hard drive access via SATA3
- 5Ghz wifi
- supersampled texturing when running at 1080p, essentially giving you 1440p or better textures even on your 1080p display
- better, more consistent frame rates
- 1080p remote play
Mister Megative
Banned
That Crapgamer dude is claiming he has "multiple reports PS4 Pro is being delayed" due to "overheating issues". Never mind I believe it's being mass produced as we speak. Why this turd has subscribers is beyond me.
Funny how the same thing was said about the slims having an overheating problem too, but i've not heard of one, this is also from one of the BIGGEST XBOX fanboys on youtube.
fierce1289
Member
Has there been any deals announced for trading up for the PS4 Pro? I'd like to trade my launch console in if there is a good deal going on.
Crayon
Member
Yeah he says a lot of things.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh boy I looked that guy's channel up after this post.
Just the titles of the last few videos were enough to make me cringe and close the tab.
Must be an issue with the secret dGPU.
2blackcats
Member
I think all your concerns were perfectly valid when the Pro was rumoured /kind of announced (before E3). But now that we know so much more about those concerns are no longer relevant.
The thing has been designed to be ridiculously easy to get upgraded PS4 games running on it. Maybe even to the detriment of the console itself (no better cpu).
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This thing will sell itself once it's launched. People's concerns about running old games the same as vanilla PS4 will evaporate once a few good titles are shown in DF articles. People play new games and they're what dominate the news cycle.
voodoowoolf
Neo Member
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OrbitalBeard
Member
The entire point of his channel is to intentionally spread false information. No one with any sense has ever taken him seriously. Don't give him any attention.
depends on the game
Crayon
Member
It's like talk radio here in the states. We tried to ignore that for awhile...
Always-honest
Banned
Sure. I can only justify it by selling my PS4.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Interesting comment from Cerny, in Gamasutra interview:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/283611/Inside_the_PlayStation_4_Pro_with_Mark_Cerny.php#tophead
“What we do for the legacy games, if you want to play a game from 2-3 years ago that hasn't been patched or tested, is we just run that at 1.6 gigahertz,” said Cerny.
If this comment means what I hope it means, that's really good news. I was suggesting Sony should do whitelisting for games that they test and confirm to work fine in Pro mode.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/283611/Inside_the_PlayStation_4_Pro_with_Mark_Cerny.php#tophead
“What we do for the legacy games, if you want to play a game from 2-3 years ago that hasn't been patched or tested, is we just run that at 1.6 gigahertz,” said Cerny.
If this comment means what I hope it means, that's really good news. I was suggesting Sony should do whitelisting for games that they test and confirm to work fine in Pro mode.
Crayon
Member
I can tell you exactly what it means but I have no idea what you hope it means.
It means that non-pro games will run exactly as they would on a regular ps4.
iirc poster is hoping Sony will whitelist older unpatched games in future or give user option to run them and am guessing the tested ones that work they are hoping it would run unlocked on Pro.
Edit - I win for once!
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
What he says is that games that are not patched OR not tested (I bolded that) will run in legacy mode. I don't know if it was a slip of a tongue or somehow misreported, but that's what the quote is.
2blackcats
Member
Yeah, true for all games that haven't been patched or tested.
What Lord Error is hoping they mean, is that some unpatched games might be white listed after being tested to be allowed to use some of the extra resources the Pro has to offer. Presumably just on the CPU front. Still, would be a nice bonus.
2blackcats
Member
Edit : Beaten like scrambled eggs.
Edit edit : oops sorry for double post, don't know what I did there.
Edit edit : oops sorry for double post, don't know what I did there.
Crayon
Member
I saw it as a statement that an unpatched game is implicitly untested and must run in standard mode. To have old games tested and cleared for near-pro status would ad a layer of complexity to things without much benefit to anyone.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
In that case, I think he'd say "patched and tested", but again quotes and all, so who knows. As for whitelisting, it would only add some work to Sony's QA team, to a good benefit to every owner of the console, not to mention the goodwill it would generate for next to no effort from their end.
Next to no effort eh?
I kind of hope that down the road when the PS4 is eventually hacked/jailbroken, there's a way to force PS4 Pro mode on games that aren't patched for it. Sort of like how you can run older 3DS games with the N3DS clock speed and L2 cache increase or changing the clockspeed for Vita games.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Next to no developer effort. You just need people to play the games. If they become glitchy or crash, cross them off them list, and play the next one. They wouldn't even need to do this for all the games, just a bunch of high profile ones that are not getting a patch AND also have unstable performance (no need to do it for games that are already running at or near their capped framerate). Hell, they could crowdsource this in the beta firmware. Everyone would be doing it for free.
FonkyByNature
Member
I don't click on his videos, channel and just ignores him, i looked at his channel once and never went back, so should everyone. The less attention this idiot gets the better.
Marty Chinn
Member
I take it you know nothing about the QA process. There's more to it than just a bunch of people playing games. Ever consider what it takes to thoroughly test for bugs in GTA5?