Iacobellis
Junior Member
I miss that. And changing the brightness of it.
PS4 System Software Preview USB Music Player, New Home Screen Colors, More
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I miss that. And changing the brightness of it.
Maybe you do when you talk so condescendingly about it. A "few" is funny but the objective after all is "list wars". Not many months ago MS was lacking behind Sony on a variety of features - the idea that update wars should be at a par every single month is idiotic and I find the fanboy war fodder surrounding it very funny. It's the same fanboy war fodder surrounding "holiday lineup" - where as holiday is no longer Nov/Dec but also Sept and Oct. I wonder what that war will shift to next once 2.0 hits....since well, MS will be lacking a "few" feature sets from Sony's list. Lets not even talk about early 2015 exclusives wise for Sony, the holiday lineup can't be extended beyond Dec, but it can be retracted to Sept...... I can only naturally expect that you shift the benefit of the doubt given your criteria - it's the logical thing anyway - logic works.
Well I'll ask you the same question. Sony has implemented Remote Play, which allows you to stream your PS4 locally or even via the network on the Vita. They've also implemented PS Now, which allows you to stream PS3 games from servers across the country directly to your console. Both of these services work extremely well, with minimal lag in most circumstances.
But then the biggest feature of this firmware, SharePlay, is dismissed out of hand by you.
So please explain to me why you shouldn't offer Sony the benefit of the doubt with game streaming like you want us to give the very same benefit for MS on screenshot functionality.
Andronicus
Banned
LMFAO
http://commu.jp.playstation.com/blog/details/20141017_ps4_update.html#live
The Google Translated version of this Japanese PlayStation blogpost reveals some more details:
SharePlay
USB music player
Broadcasting
The Google Translated version of this Japanese PlayStation blogpost reveals some more details:
SharePlay
- PS+ is required by the remote player for them to take control or for them to play as a second player. However, if they simply spectate, they do not need PS+.
- Up to eight people can be in a SharePlay party but only one visitor at a time can see the screen and/or be a player. The rest are limited to being normal party members limited to voice/text chatting.
- When not in the game, the viewing visitor sees a standby screen (just like when live streaming).
- SharePlay sessions are limited to one hour. The time left can be seen in the SharePlay party screen. Once time expires, another SharePlay session can be initiated immediately.
USB music player
- It is not possible to copy music files to the built-in HDD of PS4.
- To be able to play music files, create a folder called "Music" on the USB storage device and put the music files there.
- The USB music player icon will be displayed only if there is "Music" folder on the USB storage device that is currently connected to the PS4.
- You will not be able to use the USB music player at the same time as Music Unlimited.
- In live streaming and video clips, music played at the USB music player will not be included.
Broadcasting
- You can now add a variety of effects. (Not sure what this means)
- You can now include a banner message during your broadcast.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
What exactly does the XB1 OS do that the PS4 OS doesn't? Outside of the TV passthrough stuff, since that's a hardware thing as well.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
the doubt is if they will ever be able to put out games that are native 1080p at a steady pace.
After playing x1 it seemed like a dumbed down windows8 OS. I'm sorry that's not a good thing to me.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Why even make the statement if you can't support it with facts.
Earned the benefit of the doubt? What does that even mean. How about this. Microsoft rather give out monthly update versus one huge update. That's the only thing the really separates the two. It doesn't matter what Microsoft added. They promised things that they have to own up to. Find me these features that Sony promised that they have to acknowledge. As far as I'm concerned, they only promised suspend and resume and to continue to update the system on gamers feedback.
That's Microsoft, that's not Sony. Sure Microsoft way works for Microsoft but that's not the way Sony works. I'm not expecting Google to do everything the same way Apple does. They both have their own rules and ways of doing thing. One you may prefer is not the one that another does. OS support has become a discussion all of a sudden now to talk about support when really and truly, that all comes with time. I'm not dismissing Sony's silence, but I'm not sitting here looking at what the other guy is doing and Knee jerking to it. What I want isn't what others want... Regardless of OS support. And Sony does have a page where people can vote on features.
Thank you. Microsoft offered this all on one system, of course they have to commit to it.
Did Sony come out and say they want you to have an all in one system? No. They did that with the PS3 and clearly learned from that. Instead of shooting out stuff that they can't promise, they'd rather take their time. They have learned from the mistakes and definitely are showing to change that. I give them credit for doing that. That's just about it.
NullPointer
Member
This isn't wrong.
PS4 is being left in the dust when it comes to rollouts of new and updated OS features, and that's with the Xbox starting in the negative. Hell, even when compared to the functionality offered by the PS3. I don't think anybody expected things to take this long - not with notifications, not with organizing games and apps, and not with media playback.
2.0 is a step in the right direction but is the plan to have an OS update like this once a year?
OccamsLightsaber
Regularly boosts GAF member count to cry about 'right wing gaf' - Voter #3923781
I think the argument is that every feature the X1 and PS4 share, the X1 does it better.
Some of the big features include the ability to Snap apps to whatever you're doing effectivly letting you multitask. You can watch Netflix while playing a game, for example. It also has near-full voice control support for the system. You can already pause and reorder downloads. I'm sure there are other features I'm forgetting.
Which is wrong.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Those are Built in Microsoft features. Did Sony make their system and XB1 all of a sudden and decided to promise snap features? No... So they aren't remotely the same.
This sound like android vs Apple features when they clearly work differently and are highly subjective.
Soccer4life
Banned
Don't argue with him, guy basically lost his mind cause PS4 is stomping X1 everywhere.
EatinOlives
Member
From my limited experience with the XB1 OS, I'd say most of the features related to Friends (Friend lists, messages, etc.) don't suck ass. That's at the very least better than the PS4's implementation.
Layout/organization of items like your library is better, you can pause downloads, achievements still don't have to be synced and you can access an achievement description as soon as you unlock it, etc.
They're not specific features that the PS4 doesn't have, but there's a lot that the XB1 OS does that the PS4 simply does worse, which in my opinion is one of the main reasons why the PS4 OS is vastly inferior. If we really want to talk only specific features I'd say snapping, though I doubt anybody really cares about that.
NullPointer
Member
I wouldn't make that argument. Some things do - like integration with friends and achievements and sharing video. If you regularly use snap you're probably far more in love with the Xbox OS than I am, but similarly I don't make use of PS4's remote play and have no intention of using PlayStation Now.
My comparison between the two is in terms of basic features, and ones that apply to gaming, finding and managing your games and downloads, friends and partying up, notifications, achievements, pre-loads, extended storage and suspend/resume.
Xbox also has DLNA but I'm not putting that in the plus column yet since it still hogs a quarter of your screen for the snapping. I'd rather use the PS4's coming USB setup as an interim step.
Still, MS has a schedule, they have a test program, they have transparency and they show give and take with their community. Sony's OS team is a complete mystery.
Hey guys, when I first owned a PS3 in 2010, I thought I remembered there's was a dedicated YouTube app, and it was really, really good -- a lot better than using YouTube on PS4 or even on PS3 today.
I also thought I remembered someone on GAF saying because the PS3 used to have a dedicated app it was better and why it was better unlike now because it runs on the shitty web browser.
Can someone clarify ?
I also thought I remembered someone on GAF saying because the PS3 used to have a dedicated app it was better and why it was better unlike now because it runs on the shitty web browser.
Can someone clarify ?
The PS4 web browser is a work of art. Nonetheless, a dedicated youtube app beats web browsing youtube. The app is coming with 2.0.
Caayn
Member
As others have said a lot is the way features work compared to its PS4 counterpart.
Out of the top of my head, software features that are currently not supported on PS4. (I'm probably forgetting a few.)
- External storage support
- Customization (Custom tiles, organization, colour scheme, etc.)
- Community integration in the store. (User videos and live streams are shown at that specific game page in the store.)
- Community (friends) leaderboards. Such as achievements, gold stars earned in game X, enemies killed in game Y, etc.
- Friend notifications and the ability to enable certain notifications only for a group of friends instead of all of them.
- Ability to follow people.
- Controller find by making it vibrate.
- Full voice and motion control at anytime anywhere.
- Download management.
- Snap on top of switching between apps. ( 5 apps can be running at the same time, or 1 game and 4 apps)
- Local and DLNA media playback.
- Cloud saves regardless of XBL Silver or Gold.
TheIdleMiner
Neo Member
One feature that the PS4 doesn't currently have that would drive me crazy is the ability to now show offline. There are times where I'd like to online game discreetly.
These are good updates though. Hope they come soon for PS4 users.
These are good updates though. Hope they come soon for PS4 users.
Quite literally the only thing I want on the PS4.
Really hoping the unannounced features are PS1/PS2 BC for discs. And yes, there was a pretty solid rumor that it was in the works, and getting close to being released. Again, that rumor very specifically included disc support. And with the 20th anniversary of Playstation coming up, it would be pretty good timing.
And with that, I'm also hoping the mystery theme getting teased is the PS2 crystal towers background with the ocean waves sound as the BGM. Not sure what they could do with PS1 themes unless they can change the startup.
And with that, I'm also hoping the mystery theme getting teased is the PS2 crystal towers background with the ocean waves sound as the BGM. Not sure what they could do with PS1 themes unless they can change the startup.
endlessflood
Member
The PS3 app was basically youtube.com/tv but full screen and with proper controller support. It's still there, it hasn't gone anywhere. On the PS4 you need to use youtube.com/tv in the browser and full screen it yourself, and then you mostly have to use the controller to steer a mouse pointer around the interface. Gets annoying quickly, especially for searches. There is phone integration but thats a hassle that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
One thing I'm hoping that the PS4 app will have - that the PS3 app never did - is USB keyboard support for searches. But given that even the integrated Playstation Store on PS4 doesn't have USB keyboard support for searches (which is ridiculous) I won't hold my breath.
Hmm, that one had never occurred to me. I've never misplaced a wireless controller but I can see how it could happen if you have little kids. With the DS4 they wouldn't need to use vibrate alone though because it has a built in speaker.
It's not a very useful feature imo, as the controller has to already be on for it to work. Which means it can only help you if you manage to lose the controller within 15 minutes of you last using it (without having put the console on standby during that time either).
endlessflood
Member
Ah true, that hadn't occurred to me either
Does sound like a waste of time then.No, this is incorrect, in most games the in-game music is disabled when streaming from Music Unlimited. It depends on how the dev has implemented it.
I'd actually argue that xbox has more missing fundamental features than PS4 will have when 2.0 comes.
PS4 will be missing suspend/resume (promised by sony at launch)
Xbox will be missing background music playback and screenshots.
Anything else people want on PS4 is arguably not core functionality, although I'd be willing to accept DLNA and we've been told that is coming.
PS4 will be missing suspend/resume (promised by sony at launch)
Xbox will be missing background music playback and screenshots.
Anything else people want on PS4 is arguably not core functionality, although I'd be willing to accept DLNA and we've been told that is coming.
Caayn
Member
Wasn't aware of that, well you can scratch that one of the list.
JimiNutz
Banned
There's a whole lot more it does much better then PS4. I was gob smacked when the ps4 forces you to shut your game down if you jump to more than a few apps/games. Its seamless on X1, skype to game1 to game 2 to netflix back to game 1 with it all being there in memory.
Disagree, but its mostly based on user gaming preferences, you cant argue this really. I dont think screenshot/video record and music in BG (even with Sony convoluted implementation ) is core. Friend interaction, app management (snap, suspend/resume, multi apps/games, achievement progress), profiles (remembering settings and games, user name options to change) and a whole suite of entertainment options (DNLA, TV integrated) are core imo. But I don't play games as much as I stream videos and chat to friends, the idea of being able to do other things (and do them well) while gaming is an attractive one for me rather soley gaming.
Primethius
Banned
I know its becoming common place to say that the Xbox One OS leaves the PS4 one in dust, but as someone who owns all three consoles, I find my preference for console OS's to be strangely PS4 > Wii U > Xbox One as someone who uses it primarily to play games.
Feature wise, I agree that the Xbox One OS keeps getting new features and updates, but compared to the other two OS's, I always feel like I'm using beta software when I use the Xbox One OS. I've had no functional issues with the PS4 or Wii U OS's but I've had multiple issues with Xbox One's OS to the detriment of me actually playing games (along with my friends).
I had to reinstall Forza 5 because my initial install resulted in the game taking 5 to 10 minutes to load a single track. My Horizon 2 sometimes disconnects my controller requiring a full hard reboot for the controller to resync. My console sometimes turns on not connected to Xbox Live. My friend had to redownload the entire digital version of Horizon 2 because everytime he tried to connect to multiplayer, it would give him a "game is still installing" message indefinitely.
This is all anecdotal evidence, but the OS has been extremely buggy and Kinect reliant for me and my friends.
This is all a really long round about way of saying, while I'd like more features (because the PS4 OS is missing them), I disagree that the Xbox One OS is better simply because it has a longer feature list.
Feature wise, I agree that the Xbox One OS keeps getting new features and updates, but compared to the other two OS's, I always feel like I'm using beta software when I use the Xbox One OS. I've had no functional issues with the PS4 or Wii U OS's but I've had multiple issues with Xbox One's OS to the detriment of me actually playing games (along with my friends).
I had to reinstall Forza 5 because my initial install resulted in the game taking 5 to 10 minutes to load a single track. My Horizon 2 sometimes disconnects my controller requiring a full hard reboot for the controller to resync. My console sometimes turns on not connected to Xbox Live. My friend had to redownload the entire digital version of Horizon 2 because everytime he tried to connect to multiplayer, it would give him a "game is still installing" message indefinitely.
This is all anecdotal evidence, but the OS has been extremely buggy and Kinect reliant for me and my friends.
This is all a really long round about way of saying, while I'd like more features (because the PS4 OS is missing them), I disagree that the Xbox One OS is better simply because it has a longer feature list.
Arabic support is actually quite a significant part of this update. It's harder than it looks, since it's a right-to-left language (i.e. it's not just a case of translating a few strings). I believe PS4 will be the first console ever to support it. A quick Google search shows it has been a highly requested feature on PS/XB consoles for years now.
Fess
Member
It really is. My experience with XB1's OS is that it's surprisingly stable and snappy on top of the big feature list, I'm super impressed by it, I've even dropped playing bluray movies on PS4 because of XB1. But I still like PS4 OS layout better, might be because I've used it for a lnger time but I don't really know, I just find myself searching stuff more often and clicking on different menu options way more on XB1 etc, it's like everything is put in too small folders with the wrong descriptions. To prepurchase Halo Master Chief Collection I first had to text search the store for "halo" before finding it :/
jizzlobber
Member
It took a few hours to be advertised in the store, if you go in now it'll be the first thing you see.
happened all the time with 360 releases too, had to search Xbox.com or do a search in the store to find it before all the advertising became live
happened all the time with 360 releases too, had to search Xbox.com or do a search in the store to find it before all the advertising became live
31GhostsIV
Banned
I don't understand why both MS and Sony are still patching in features from their previous, best-part-of-a-decade-old hardware. These features should have been there from the start.
People don't upgrade any other tech and then expect to spend the following two years waiting for old useful features to be added. The PS3/360 feature set should be the foundation of the next console. The new OS should include all of the features these machines had from the outset and then build on them, not patch in (for example) 3D blu ray 7 months later and act like it's a great thing when there was absolutely no excuse for either console to not have it day one.
And please, stop with the 'PS4 is all about the games!" mantra. This is just marketing working its magic. You purchased the machine for a fairly substantial investment. They owe you a console that improves upon their previous machine, not that misses countless fundamental features.
It is possible for the PS4 to be an excellent games machine and keep all of the media features from the PS3. Just because your smart TV or Roku or whatever answers your streaming needs doesn't mean there's any excuse for the PS4 not doing these things nearly a year from launch. Isn't the PS4 meant to be easier to code than the PS3? If so what's the OS team's problem?
I've never tried an XBone, so I can't comment from first hand experience. However from reading various threads here, it does appear they get frequent updates and, just as importantly, communication about the updates. That said, why an apparently media-driven machine like the Xbone had to wait 10 months or so for external media playback is anyone's guess.
As an aside, consider this. I just upgraded my Mac OS. Would it be acceptable if most of the features were removed, with a vague promise to patch them in at some undisclosed date in the future? Of course not. That's what iteration, upgrading and improvement is all about. Sure, some software or features becomes obsolete and removed, but only if the use they provided is found elsewhere in the system. If the fundamental features were removed, it wouldn't be an upgrade, would it? Playing MP3s on a consoles, or sodding notifications a friend is online are not obsolete features by any stretch.
If anyone told me I would still have both Playstations under my TV a year after the PS4's launch because they haven't bothered to patch in movie file support (or even fricking YouTube!) I would have probably waited instead of buying at launch. If I upgrade my mobile phone, I don't have to carry the old one around for a year or two afterwards because of missing features. There's no reason why it should be the case with consoles.
Apologies for the lengthy rant.
People don't upgrade any other tech and then expect to spend the following two years waiting for old useful features to be added. The PS3/360 feature set should be the foundation of the next console. The new OS should include all of the features these machines had from the outset and then build on them, not patch in (for example) 3D blu ray 7 months later and act like it's a great thing when there was absolutely no excuse for either console to not have it day one.
And please, stop with the 'PS4 is all about the games!" mantra. This is just marketing working its magic. You purchased the machine for a fairly substantial investment. They owe you a console that improves upon their previous machine, not that misses countless fundamental features.
It is possible for the PS4 to be an excellent games machine and keep all of the media features from the PS3. Just because your smart TV or Roku or whatever answers your streaming needs doesn't mean there's any excuse for the PS4 not doing these things nearly a year from launch. Isn't the PS4 meant to be easier to code than the PS3? If so what's the OS team's problem?
I've never tried an XBone, so I can't comment from first hand experience. However from reading various threads here, it does appear they get frequent updates and, just as importantly, communication about the updates. That said, why an apparently media-driven machine like the Xbone had to wait 10 months or so for external media playback is anyone's guess.
As an aside, consider this. I just upgraded my Mac OS. Would it be acceptable if most of the features were removed, with a vague promise to patch them in at some undisclosed date in the future? Of course not. That's what iteration, upgrading and improvement is all about. Sure, some software or features becomes obsolete and removed, but only if the use they provided is found elsewhere in the system. If the fundamental features were removed, it wouldn't be an upgrade, would it? Playing MP3s on a consoles, or sodding notifications a friend is online are not obsolete features by any stretch.
If anyone told me I would still have both Playstations under my TV a year after the PS4's launch because they haven't bothered to patch in movie file support (or even fricking YouTube!) I would have probably waited instead of buying at launch. If I upgrade my mobile phone, I don't have to carry the old one around for a year or two afterwards because of missing features. There's no reason why it should be the case with consoles.
Apologies for the lengthy rant.
Meh, comparing to phones is silly. They are just iterations of the same thing. Both PS4 & Xbone completely rehaul everything in their OSs so some features will be missing as they are limited by time when it comes to how many features they can add. Should PS4 have just used the same XMB as PS3 and kept all of its features or is it better to make a spanking new OS that brings in new functionality designed around the new console while sacrificing some old ones? Or was the XMB not quite suitable for some of the things they had planned so they had to ditch it?
Besides, while the current iOS and Android OSs are building up from what was there before, it's not like many phone companies didn't release phones that had missing features in comparison to phones released before them in the past. It's just that phones are basically mini-PCs nowadays for which people develop all kinds of apps etc that take care of the limitations of the OSs whereas consoles are more closed environments where the console makers mostly decide what they focus on delivering to customers. Media support wasn't the priority, giving stuff like Twitch support & Share functionality was, something that hugely differentiates the new consoles from the past ones which were extremely limited in those regards.
Is it just me or has ITV player disappeared on the PS3?
Last time I wanted to use it, I had to go into the PS3 internet browser and go directly to the website.
Firmware 2.0 thread.
Zoro7
Banned
Lol this is pathetic. Last gen it was about how 360 games ran better, now that it isnt the case whats the next thing we can say is better.....hmmm updates!!! Microsoft has better updates and they are exclusive!! I buy a games console to play games, for everything else I have a smart TV and a PC. PS4 is crapping over Xbox One in terms of sales, yet the Xbox Fan boys still wont shut up.
test_account
XP-39C²
But do you mean that the doubt is regarding why it takes time for some features to come? Or do you mean if the doubt is if the features will come at all? For example, "It might take some time for Microsoft to bring (insert feature here) because they want to do it right, but there is absolutely no doubt that Sony is just being lazy since it also takes them some time as well". Or, "There is little doubt that Microsoft will release those features sometimes, but there is no way that Sony will release those features".
That might be. I wonder what type of solution they're thinking of to make this better though. Personally, i cant see what they can be thinking of that takes such a long time to complete.
Smooth Operator
Member
stargateheaven
Member
this was high up on the ps blog share list since it started. has it really taken sony this long? i'm glad it's finally there though.
Dude, the XBone has better and more frequent updates. This is a firmware thread so the comparison is gonna come up. And for the record, last gen people WERE yelling at Sony because of updates, just for the opposite reason.