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Still no word of adding some type of folders to organize all those scattered games?
PS4 System Software Preview USB Music Player, New Home Screen Colors, More
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Zoro7
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Grass is always greener on the other side. People will never be happy, always finding insignificant things to moan about. Updates are insignificant unless they effect the gameplay some how.
Microsoft had more ground to cover because their OS was in absolute shambles. People want to compare the OS of both consoles when they both set out to do different things. The one tries to be a former shadow of their former one entertainment center philosophy, the other puts snappiness and clarity up front. And we? We have the power to choose. How awesome is that!
| Praxis |
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That depends on a person to person basis though. I don't care that the ps4 hasn't got many apps or features because I have a smart TV, pc and smart phone. Others may have only their console and normal television, so the xbox may appeal more because of its bells and whistles, regardless of the system power difference.
Popsickles
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It says that the bar will only show the latest 15 accessed items everything else falls into you library which is getting revamped
Yeah, I'm glad it'll finally be an option. Have a few friends who would definitely like the ability to switch to Arabic.
Sony has with the PS4 a gaming console "4Theplayers". MS on the otherside has with Xbox One The all-in-one entertainment system. Of course the priorities are complete different this time. And every console trying their best to fulfil these promises. So it's only natural that one console is better in the gaming part and the other in the media part. Now it's up to the consumer to decide what they want from their console.
endlessflood
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I never understood why everyone moaned about the regular firmware updates to the PS3 last gen, but every time there was a firmware update people would whine about it. It seemed so stupid to me at the time that people would whinge about getting new features, but every time (like clockwork) they did.
Now they whine that they don't get the very thing they whined about having last gen. In conclusion, people are dumb.
The only thing I can't figure out is why the XBOne users don't whine about frequent firmware updates. I'm not sure what's changed from last gen to this gen in that respect other than the console manufacturer names.
Now they whine that they don't get the very thing they whined about having last gen. In conclusion, people are dumb.
The only thing I can't figure out is why the XBOne users don't whine about frequent firmware updates. I'm not sure what's changed from last gen to this gen in that respect other than the console manufacturer names.
derExperte
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Probably because the X1 gets a bunch of new features and noticeable changes that people want while the PS3 got a lot of stability updates. That meme exists for a reason.
Because they took ages to download and install.
I literally lost 10 minutes any time I had one to install. Super annoying.
family_guy
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I think folders, suspend/resume, improved messaging system, being able to change your name, and better friends notifications would be better for a gaming console than some of the features Sony has decided to prioritize.
Zoro7
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Hardly device breaking though. Probably why they are not priority.
endlessflood
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The PS3 firmware updates brought masses of new features. The stability stuff was only at the end of the PS3's life when it had pretty much everything already. People were whining long before then.
That's it?
stargateheaven
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10 minutes for a firmware, another 5 to install a patch for a game, another 5 to install.. that's already 20 minutes. PS3 was bad for that.
Nightengale
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Suspend/Resume, I agree.
I think SharePlay is a great feature though. As I'm not a social animal, I won't use it a lot, but I'd like for gaming companies to innovate and push for gaming-specific features that differentiate the gaming experience on consoles compared to PCs.
Yes, it's great when consoles get media features, and all that, but I'd rather a console with 10 gaming features that cannot be found on PC rig than 100 features that my PC does for me.
Zoro7
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Lol well dont just sit there watching it while it downloads/installs.
test_account
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The firmware updates happened relatively rarely in the last years. 10 minutes is basically nothing in my opinion. How long does firmware update on other device take today?
Regarding patching and installing, that will depend on what type of games you're playing and how many times your deleting the install files.
Nightengale
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What?
Does the regular consumer really care about suspend/resume? A lot of us care about it, but it's not like announcing Suspend/Resume for FW 3.0 will do anything for the sales of PS4.
The only 'big feature' that I can see move consoles are stuff like Powers TV series exclusive to PS+, backward compatability for PS1/2 games, a compelling PSNow sub service, etc...
Not Suspend/Resume.
Yeah I thought about it a little more and figured the same. It may not have good sales impact.
However if that's the case then I don't know what firmware feature would attract more consumers, or they won't be able to from the first place? (This explains Sony being kinda slow on PS4 feature addition).
You could make an identical list for the PS4 if you wanted to.
- one-button screenshot/streaming/video capture functionality
- swappable harddrives
- gyro/touchpad keyboard input
- 'what's new' activity feed with your friend's achievements, last played and purchases
- superior pre-loading and release countdown mechanics
- custom play-areas per game that show friends who play, leaderboards, community content, trophies, trailers and DLC
- detailed patchnotes for every update
- trophy rarity system
- remote-play to Vita and Playstation TV systems
- a superior Netflix client
- Sharefactory
- Play-go for playing games while downloading
- interactive streaming through Twitch or Ustream
- Playstation Now
I'm not saying the PS4 OS is more fully featured compared to the Xbone OS, and it has definite areas where sony needs to improve.
But some of the things in these comparisons are simply two companies doing things differently and having their priorities elsewhere.
Sony didn't add friend notifications because of the massive expansion of the friend limit. I have no doubt that they are adding such a feature though, possibly by marking some friends as 'favorites' or something.
Where, for example, Microsoft had tile/color customization on day one, Sony had working screenshot functionality.
There are pros and cons to both OS's right now, and Microsoft is doing a great job of expanding theirs through consistent updates. Sony less so.
But you can't just rattle off a list of minute features and demand that they come to the competitor console, acting like Sony dropped the ball because they don't have 'controller find by making it vibrate', or other extremely specific stuff like that. These consoles will never be fully identical.
Believe me, I am eagerly awaiting more PS4 features like DLNA, a new Youtube client, a sorting method for my games and even colours, but these are merely side decorations for an already great gaming console, personally.
derExperte
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Were those the same people that are complaining now? Because maybe the system names aren't the only things that changed, maybe we're talking about other people with changed expectations, just calling them 'dumb' is exactly that.
Updating anything was just an all around terrible experience on the PS3. Took too long to download, took too long to install, blocked the system. I especially hated that you had to download updates (often not only one) after downloading a game, made no sense.
Louis Cyphre
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I agree about the whole list wars of features but you do have to question why some of them were missing and why it's taking so long. And there is no point in making excuses that Sony's mandate was first and foremost to make a good game console (which they did) while making damn sure services like Music Unlimited worked from the start. The old argument that we buy these consoles to play games on doesn't work in todays environment where for many years now both Microsoft and Sony have levied this notion they are entertainment devices, not just gaming devices. This dates back to 1994 where one of the compelling features of the first Playstation was it could play audio CD's. The PS2 was able to be a DVD player and the PS3 an affordable blu-ray player. So for Sony to sit back and say they were surprised people wanted DLNA and mp3 support is even more surprising to me.
Derpcrawler
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So like maybe 2-3 points that you got remotely correct?
Impeccable
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I don't really care but most of your points are like "Touche, BUT..."
Derpcrawler
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Most my points are that Xbox can do same thing as good, or better and did it before PS4. Also bringing hardware difference (remote play, swappable HDD, gyros) into software/firmware discussions is silly.
There are maybe 4 things that he listed, that are not available on Xbox and could be easily made available in new firmwares. The list of stuff not available on PS4 (firmware wise) while being there on Xbox is much much longer.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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No, it's more like your opinions, versus the actual fact. Most of those you dismissed based on technical things rather than them being there.
Exactly the same stuff BruiserBear was saying. This is such BS and you know it. If a simple firmware can fix those things, then why wouldn't a firmware update from Sony, to do something similar but not identical from the Xbox One, wouldn't work?
Your biases show. Sure, Microsoft does have he handle on firmware but they moved at their own pace to do so. Sony will do the same.
I don't even find half of those better when some of them are features I will never use all at once.
Wht would you even respond to someone like Hoodoo? I doubt he has even spent a fraction of time even going through the OS of the Xbox One to even see what it can and can't do. Don't waste your time with people that you know have a strong bias toward a certain brand. I've had both consoles since launch and the Xbox One has clearly focused more of their attention toward the social aspects of their console and it shows between the two systems. Sony seems to be getting things together finally but I still can't believe it has taken them a year to even release the stuff they have for 2.0. Not to mention suspend/resume was announced almost two years and we haven't heard a thing about it since.
Zoro7
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LOL so when PS4 has a feature thats not on Xbox, its easily made available in updates. Shame it dont work the other way though.
BruiserBear
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You have no idea how obvious it is that you don't own an XB1. lol
Several of the things you just listed there are available on the XB1, and done better. You've also listed things that are completely subjective. A superior Netflix app. According to who?
This is the problem with discussions like this. Half the time it's people who own one console, arguing with the folks that own both, who are saying the XB1 is better.
Yes, it is a shame that we have no reason to be optimistic about when of if Sony will ever implement certain features.
Rattling off a list kinda makes sense as a response to somebody requesting a list.
I'd also say that you've somewhat overstepped the boundaries of a reasonable comparison when putting your list together (probably in order to make it comparable in length). You may notice that Caayn's list is made up of purely SO level features that you could reasonably see Sony matching with their own software. He hasn't taken to listing features that simply aren't applicable, often due to hardware differences. He doesn't for example list "cast Live TV to any smartglass" device, because it's simply not applicable to the Playstation 4. I don't consider the following in your list to really be valid here:
I wasn't sure what you meant by "superior pre-loading and release countdown mechanics", so I didn't bother to contest it.
I understand the whole "side decorations" argument, and mostly agree with that. However, stuff like pausing downloads and friends notifications most definitely do not fall into that category. These things are actively harming my use of the system to play games.
EDIT: Wow I'm late.
Uno Venova
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I don't understand how you decide what's relevant to firmware discussion,
test_account
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This is delusional, sorry.
Sony would never hold back a feature like this. It was announced at the unveiling and is still not in the firmware. They are fully aware that people are wondering where this feature has disappeared to.
I'm sure Shu admitted fairly recently that the firmware team was having some issues with suspend/resume.
Derpcrawler
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So far I saw only 4:
Screenshots
Patch Notes
Added stats to Achievements like rarity
More detailed pre-order timer (which is moot point, when you have 2 weeks pre-load time on Xbox and only 2 days on PS4).
Other than that Xbox does exactly same or better than PS4. Points related to service design and hardware, like game streaming which is there only to help vita to sell, or gyros/swappable harddrives. Those are in no way related to firmware.
But keep brushing off facts with bad sarcasm.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Thank you. I don't think anyone buying Xbox Ones are looking at all these features sets like, OMG the store has videos from twitch (a site they might not even know) with other people playing. Or I can see my friends achievements while I play, etc.
Surely for power users this is important, but literally, the true point is one is making sure the system works out the gate as advertised and is updating things that they can promise first at one step at a time, and the other one is keeping true to their all in one mantra and building on that. Everything else is subjective.
Zoro7
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Apart from the TV/Cable side of things that no one cares about, tell me exactly what the Xbox has that the PS4 cannot get through a firmware update?
Derpcrawler
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Look dude, I am not sure if you are trolling or just stupid. Please read my 2 previous posts again and then read yours. I think you are missing the point...
Then why are you in firmware thread where these small differences do matter to us? DLNA doesn't matter to majority of PS4/Xbox One user base, same with huge chunk of other features that enthusiasts like us ask for. If you have nothing to contribute, don't brush off the discussion just because "no one cares about that". If no one would care, this thread wouldn't be 25+ pages.
SMH
Derpcrawler
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Edit: double post
The point was that these conjured-up lists with tiny bullet points are damn useless and depending on how in-depth you go, you can make a list that fills the entire display. It's not remotely a matter of X being objectively better than Y, it's often two different companies, two different consoles, implementing features in different ways.
I wasn't trying to engage in a blow-for-blow OS comparison as the PS4 OS will no doubt come up short.
You call Xbox missing screenshot functionality a 'strange oversight', i'd call pausing downloads the exact same thing on the PS4 side.
Which one carries more weight is completely subjective for you and me.
(Although, dismissing the remote-play feature just because it's better on Wii-U and Steam was pretty funny)
Again, i'm not saying Microsoft isn't doing a stellar job of gathering feedback and expanding the X1's functionality. They are.
But people are bringing up random Xbox One features and act like it's this huge glaring oversight when Sony hasn't got the exact same thing available on PS4 immediately. It's a silly argument because that will never, ever happen. Same thing the othe way around.
Zoro7
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Your name describes you well. Why dont you spout your Microsoft nonsense elsewhere? Showing off with updates Lol. Sorry state of affairs.
Derpcrawler
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I am not here to teach juniors basics of comprehensive reading. I am telling you again, read my posts before and read your replies. If you don't see nothing wrong, then I wish you all the luck surviving your junior membership.
Relevant - pure software features. Irrelevant - non-core services and hardware differences in features.
Has there been any word on Folders or atleast Customization of the games so I put them in an order that I want in the library? Sucks that the library can't be organized (Or even used offline) and I'm not a big fan at all of that huge ass single bar of stuff you have to scroll through, and I see something like that getting worse as there become more games I want to buy on PS4. One of my main problems right now on wanting to buy more PS4 games (I'm strictly All-Digital on all my gaming consoles) it that I can't organize how I want, and I have a collection mentality where I will end up buying more games just because I like filling out areas of my folders or UI pages. Great examples of the organization/customization that I would love is what the 3DS, Vita and (now surprisingly) Wii U all have. I wish Sony would have kept more along the style of how the amazing Vita UI was because I have my folders set up specifically for say Full Games, PSN Indie, PS1 Classics, PSP, and PS+ games. Makes finding what I want at any time feel super simple and it never gets cluttered to the point of absurdity like the PS4 UI "konga line of games" is. Please Sony if you go around reading any of these posts, please listen to the ones about the UI. It may not be what everyone thinks they want off the top of there head, but trust me it will go a long way to making the PS4 even better and would probably cause me to actually want to buy more games than just the exclusives like I'm doing right now. At this point even the Library is hard to navigate with PS+ games and video services just thrown all around the place.
I don't get why people always approach this fro the viewpoint of "well they'll sell fine without it, so whatever". You should want shit you purchase to be fully featured. Also, just because the average user won't base their purchasing decision off some of these features, does not mean they won't care about it when they get home and find it isn't there. The most casual of PS4 owners likely buy the machine with the expectation that it'll have every function of their PS3 (god help them if they came from the 360 expecting the same stuff). Returning home to discover that they can't pause their downloads, that they no longer can tell when Bob signs in, that they can't access the media on their laptop etc sucks... and being able to go buy a Vita on top for remote play isn't going to be much of a consolation.
You and AyaisMUsikWhore are completely missing his point. He's saying that only a few things on Hoo-doo's list are things that MS should be expected to provide in a firmware update. Things like screenshots not being in look bad on MS because it shouldn't be too difficult to add, and yet here we are 10 months from launch without it. The fact that pretty much everything on Caayn's list should be no problem to patch in via firmware, makes the fact that they aren't look worse. I mean, how difficult can download pausing be? How much work would it take to sort out the noticifications, in the knowledge that the system can already notify you of shit like your friend joining someone else's party. If we were talking stuff like the OneGuide, then expecting Sony to match it stops being reasonable, and as such nobody tends to bring it up in these discussions.
BruiserBear
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I'm creating a thread for OS discussions so we can stop derailing a thread like this for people who actually want to discuss the 2.0 update.
It will be up in a few minutes.
It will be up in a few minutes.
This isn't a 'firmware comparison thread', it's a preview of the PS4's coming update that's completely getting derailed.
Good idea. Try to keep the OP as snark-free as possible, maybe we can actually discuss this topic.