I assure you, I/People care about the TV/Cable functions of the Xbox very much. Would be nice if you weren't so dismissive about a very well implemented feature of the Xbox.
PS4 System Software Preview USB Music Player, New Home Screen Colors, More
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Zoro7
Banned
And what does this have to do with PS4 update 2.0? Nothing.
I'm not taking sides but all you had to do is read his posts and comment on the validity of his statements. The points he made are valid. I don't own an Xbox One but have had the opportunity to use one several times and imo the Xbox of today is not the same Xbox of last year's launch and has surpassed the PS4 in terms of user functionality and usability thanks to Microsoft's updates.
I think most of us can agree that Sony has done very little and is slow to respond to the software/UI demands of the PS4 community. There really is no comparison there.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Ehhh What? Lol
Didn't you come into this thread to defend the case on what the Xbox OS does better while this not being a Xbox OS thread?
Please don't insult me with this statement on getting out the thread. You don't need to be here if all you are going to do is make half ass statements on how anything that the PS4 remotely has can be easily fixed up with a firmware update by Microsoft but the same for Sony is some foreign concept (yet this is a thread exactly about them improving things that are missing. How ironic) .
Have you even sat here and acknowledge on the stuff that makes the two different? No, you and the usual suspects that come into these threads, go on with your subjective views on what works better. Well the reality of the situation is
.. Some people don't give that much of a shit.
.. Two different companies are not going to work the same way.
Sony isn't making and Xbox 1 and Microsoft isn't making a PS4. However Microsoft wants to support their systems and whatever they find are high on the priority list, they decided to do first regardless if there are many who didn't want that. Same thing for Sony. Simple. As. That.
Derpcrawler
Member
Was stupid of me to fall for you cheap bait.
Hopefully the thread that BruiserBear makes won't go to complete shit, would be "interesting" to see the discussion there.
Zoro7
Banned
Sony isnt a software company. They have always been bad with updates/firmware and that probably wont change. Why do these Xbone fanboys find the need to come here and show off about better updates/features? Its pathetic.
I was just pointing out how the conversation between the two of you spiralled off-track. You misunderstood his point, you could have replied to him with "And what does this have to do with PS4 update 2.0. Nothing.", but you didn't because you instead decided that "hey, Sony could totally patch all these things in other than TV functionality, so let's combat his point instead"... not realising that WAS his point.
Anyway, as for what it has to do with the PS4 update 2.0, it's because some of the things people are complaining about here are omissions that would warrant the discussion even in isolation. Even if there was no Xbox One, the download pausing and notifications would be stuff people here would be complaining about. It's just that when people do complain about them, it becomes hard to ignore another console having them. This is the same when it comes to screenshots on X1, or the account system on Wii U.
endlessflood
Member
We've seen from posts in this thread and recent similar ones that the answer to your first question is often 'yes', which is my point.
If you're also saying that the XBOne owners who have no problem with regular firmware updates now didn't have a problem with regular updates on the PS3 either, that doesn't always seem to be the case (which is why I brought it up). In fact you yourself seem to be an example to the contrary.
You could automate patch downloads on the PS3. Your PS3 would turn on at a specific hour of the day (that you set) and check for any updates. If it found any it would download and install them. When it finished it would turn off. It was a great little feature and introduced in one of those terribly excruciating firmware updates.
TBH I found that system great and way better than the PS4 one, which is yet to work for me from standby even with 'do everything' specified in System settings for standby mode.
Derpcrawler
Member
Off-topic
Pathetic is that you label people based on your own bias and the fact that you don't like what they have to say. I have had all PlayStation consoles since 1996, been PSN member since 2006 and don't plan to drop it, doesn't change the facts that Sony is out of touch (nowhere as bad as Nintendo) with some aspects of gaming, and instead of fixing it, they apply band aids. I could go on in more details, but this is the reason why you will never be able to change regions on PSN and why you can on Xbox ecosystem. But I don't want to further derail the thread.
My bait? Man, this is priceless.
I hope you get everything off your chest in Bruiser's thread, derp. You seem on edge today.
When you only have one or two hours in a week ahead of you for gaming (which was my case 5 years ago), these 10 minutes are painful.
But yes, updates were less frequent lately, so I had less reasons to moan about them.
They're pretty quick on the PS4, especially as the download can be done in background.
Not more than 1-2 minutes, I'd say, which I'm perfectly okay with.
GT updates can literally take HOURS to install.
The PS3 is just so shitty at this, really.
Derpcrawler
Member
I don't know how else to call list that consist of 70% of complete made up bullshit and mis-information about console you have bias against. If it wasn't a troll bait, then what was it? You clearly made this list in response to Cyan list of features that could and need to be implemented on PS4, that are already there on Xbox One. You made list of "exclusive" PS4 features that after quick fact check either hardware related or not exclusive at all in most cases
Zoro7
Banned
Changing regions, now exclusive on Xbox One.
Everyone admits Sony is soft on the updates, but they have released the better console (hardware) and have the better first part support. Thats all that should matter with a games console. Sales figures are also backing me up. It would be nice if Sony could update the firmware more often but its not a deal breaker. Also thanks for your life story.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Firstly, no one has argued or said they don't want better for there system. All fans of each system knows they want something and air that. The suspect and ridiculous notion that are always echoing in these threads is one doing something FASTER than the next. It's not about the support of it not being there and improving. It's literally about implication and efficiency when to some that does not matter. The feature is not there, and we completely understand that, however is it some how hampering the system because I can't pause one game for another to download? No, especially if whatever is downloading isn't taking 3 days to do so. Does it hinder the system if I can't see one friend signed on? No. Is my system totally not working because I can't see my media files on my system? No Is it not a priority? Of course it is, but as is said before, the basic functions of downloading is not hindered because of the lack of it. The product as advertised is received. A personal feature (that is standard) is missing.
Acknowledge it's missing, however people can also acknowledge it's not a big deal (in the grand scheme of things) that obviously is something that will be implemented with a firmware update.
Lastly, I understand that people totally want it and it is up to Sony to ensure those needs are met. But the way it's being said as if the lack of these features are somehow killing the system. It really isn't and it's such an exaggeration.
I'm going to use the same exact quote BruiserBear used in his quote.
I think if Sony wants to put those features in, they want to do it right. They aren't just going to put the half assed feature in there if they want it to work well with the system, and not create additional problems on their head about it.
You are still completely missing the point, even after repeated explanation.
It's not the list I care about, it's the utter futility of such comparisons.
Also, you should post in all-caps. Gets the rage across even more.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
holy smokes the thread is under attack by Microsoft fanboys and X1 defense force troopers I am out of here guess I have to get my PSN firmware discussion fix elsewhere.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
If it's not the list you cared about why try and counter with one when it's true you have a huge bias and only have experience with one?
No point in discussing this further since this shouldn't be about the XBOX One, it should be about 2.0 and what it will offer and what it won't offer.
Dual Blade
Member
Based on the edit in the OP I am glad this is not the full list. Things like folders and offline trophies need to be added!
Seriously, I came in here just posting about folders since I realized how much I need organization after buying Driveclub and Peggle 2 this week, didn't realize I stepped into a war -____-
Also just realized that they are having a sorting function, but from what I just read it just sounds like a bit more advanced version of the PS3 sorting. Sony please, allow us just to organize stuff how we want, you let us do it on the Vita! Maybe I'm reading it wrong though, I don't know I just want to have all my retail games in one spot, my indies in another spot, and then a spot for all the crap that I don't even use. Plus it would amazing to be able to customize the "konga line" in the main portion of the UI, even allows us to have a second or third line!
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
From my understanding, the Library as of right now (in this update) cures the long horizontal lines issue. However there are no folders as of yet. I'm kind of happy Library is being used for its actual purpose instead of being there looking stupid, but if they are able to finally add them all there, I'm sure the folders well come next.
"- Sharefactory
UploadStudio is superior in every possible way and was there since launch"
I can't even believe you said that with a straight face
Upload studio does what it says straight away, upload videos and screenshots, apart from trim and skins it offers absolutely very little in anything else
ShareFactory is a beast compared to upload studios, about 10 times better. It allows you to make trailer, montages and customize your videos with numerous transitions, special effects, themes, starting video clips. color satuartion. Hell people even use it to make a tribute to a game like that great fan tribute for Last of Us. It does all that plus everything upload studio offers
Your whole comment on Xbox OS is completely biased
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
What is lovely is that Xbox 360 vs PS3 == PS3 has too many updates, we want few huge updates a year like on Xbox 360, too many update sandwiches make me fat... Now, Xbox One vs PS4 == PS4 has few huge updates a year, we want to update at least once a month, I do not have time to eat anymore I am starving.
Personally, I welcomed frequent updates on PS3 as I do on OS X and Windows or iOS and Android. Modern software stacks are very complex and harder and harder to get performant, feature rich, stable, scalable, and on time. Especially security and stability updates have a much worse stigma than they deserve... I think people grossly underestimate modern software products' complexity.
I am not upset with PS4's OS, but I would like to know what is slowing them down this generation.
Summer Haze
Banned
In my opinion, as someone who has experience with both upload studio and sharefactory, sharefactory is better. It's easier to use, is more in-depth, and looks nicer/is better designed. They both get the job done, though.
Derpcrawler
Member
Well, looking this way, PS4 had like what, 7-10 updates since launch? How many do you remember of those that were something other than "stability" update? People got annoyed at PS3 updates because they were slow and rarely brought anything other than stability updates.
You are comparing apples to oranges. So far all monthly Xbox One updates brought major improvements and new features. The only such update for PS4 only brought ShareFactory and improved streaming capabilities (correct me if I am wrong).
The frequent updates on XBO are adding substantive features. The frequent updates on PS3 were not. That's the difference.
No one is clamoring for monthly stability updates on PS4. They are complaining because the system has yet to deliver on key features promised for launch and basic usability issues. That type of update should be delivered as quickly as possible.
Nightengale
Member
- Wireless Headset
- Ustream/Twitch Improvements
- Sharefactory
- HDCP
- Preload
- Trophy Rarity
- 3D BD
- etc ( more option control stuff, etc)
Not comparable with the breath of XB1 improvements, but there's that.
Firstly, nobody has argued or said that it's killing the system (I can also be overly specific when the general point is obvious).
I'm not really sure what makes the idea that one company is moving faster in a given area ridiculous tbh. That's exactly how I'd have described the OS progress last gen between the 360 and PS3, and is also how it currently feels this gen too. Many people were saying that the Xbox One OS at launch was significantly behind the PS4's. Today it's difficult not to see it as being significantly ahead. That to me implies one is progressing faster than the other. The same is often said about Nintendo, who often appear to progress so slowly it looks like they're standing still.
I definitely do think that not being able to pause downloads, or receive notifications is hampering my use of the system. I'm sure you're aware that when downloading large amounts of data, you sometimes find that you're not able to do other things online well. So when I have a 50gb download that can't be paused in the event that I want to do pretty much anything else with my connection - be it playing another console online, watching a streaming movie, of even just loading up a gif heavy page on GAF - then it's causing me significant inconvenience. I already posted earlier how I didn't get to try the FFXIV beta, because hours into the download process I needed my connection for other stuff, and had to make a choice between not having my connection available, or losing all download progress up until that point.
Not having friend notifications also has a significant effect on how I play games online. I'm not going to keep pausing my game to check my friends list regularly so I know that people are signing in. At most, I'm likely to check once when I first turn the machine on, before I start a game. This means if you sign-in after that point (let's pretend we're friends) I have no idea you're there, and as such won't invite you to join me in whatever I'm playing. I'm not a play-with-randoms, matchmaking kinda guy, so knowing that someone I want to play with has come online, or is playing the same game as me, is a pretty big deal. As a result I pretty much never end up playing anything online on the PS4, because the situations that allow for it never arise.
I too often see people saying "They have different priorities. MS is going for an all-in-one entertainment system, whilst Sony is focusing on gaming. #4theplayers" or whatever... but the current PS4 firmware is doing a lot more to harm my game playing experience, than any amount of TVTVTV/Kinect/32gb ESRAM ever did.
And I'm going to use the exact same response I used earlier when someone applied BruiserBear's quote to the PS4 OS situation.
Derpcrawler
Member
Trophy rarity was there from the start, I am 99% sure since I was able to see how rare was my platinum in The Last of Us when I got console in November 2013.
Also isn't pre-load more PSN related rather than firmware related? I remember some games started support pre-load before others.
On topic of HDCP/3D BD - didn't know that, since I don't really care. But still, I think HDCP/sharefactory/stream improvement were all in 1 big update (was it 1.7?). With everything in between that and BluRay 3D support being "stability" updates.
FullMetaltech
Member
Preloading functiinality came in an update but games werent setup til i believe Infamaous First Light then games later on. I remeber watch dogs was supposed to be the first game but then later on they said Destiny was going to be the first preload.
cormack12
Gold Member
Wasn't there a site (maybe for both consoles) that had a list of firmware feature requests from users and you could upvote/downvote the ones that appealed to you - maybe I'm thinking of the PSBlog thing....that way all the most wanted ones would end up at the top and the companies would know what was a priority with the gamerbase?
Andrefpvs
Member
http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/
Edit: beaten
PS: Please upvote the multiple accounts on Vita idea ;_;
It's still there on mine. The app was pretty crappy whenever I used it, also the one on my Samsung TV is a nightmare to use.
Looks like the website stopped functioning at the end of September as no new suggestions since then and voting doesn't work :/
Yeah, looks like they are taking inspiration from Android's app drawer, which I think is the right move.
RedAssedApe
Banned
the most recent ideas are from 10/19 but voting does seem to be not working at the moment.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
i can't vote
stargateheaven
Member
I'm 99% sure no sony staff even look at this page, it's advertising PSP firmware at the bottom, thats how out of date it is. lol
iirc, pre-load required a firmware update before PSN could start supporting it. There was another major update (in late April?) that most people didn't notice that implemented delta patching, so all the MMOs didn't require gigantic patches every week. Trophy rarity was there from the start, I'm pretty sure I was checking it on the launch day firmware.
There might be something to say about the PS4 actually launching with some pretty decent functionality, like Twitch and Ustream working day one. Something about starting with more means you need fewer updates.
Sad thing is some of the bigger things people want don't require a firmware update at all. Everything needed in the firmware for custom soundtracks was there at launch, the only problem is the only music app that Sony allowed was Music Unlimited. If Sony let Spotify, Google Music, Pandora, and Plex (for local streaming) to put apps on the PS4 I think most people would be happy in that regard and all it'd take from Sony is to send out a few devkits. But they've got to push their crappy music service so we get nothing for a year.
Yeah it really is. The Network Media Player better work for custom soundtracks.
DoubleTake
Member
Wait...one question. Can music played from my USB be played while in a game? Because if not thats totally useless for me.
That's correct.
I thought that was Vita only, is it confirmed for PS4?
Soccer4life
Banned
Why some people feel the need to bring Xbox OS into this specific thread?
On Topic:
Share play will be awesome and industry first. Themes and You Tube are welcome. honestly I could care less about USB music or DLNA.
Just keep the OS snappy Sony and I will be happy.
On Topic:
Share play will be awesome and industry first. Themes and You Tube are welcome. honestly I could care less about USB music or DLNA.
Just keep the OS snappy Sony and I will be happy.
simplythebest
Banned
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