PS5 shipments top 77.8 million

Mibu no ookami said:
TLOU2 didn't sell nearly as well as you might think. Can Intergalactic sell 10 million copies? Because that would put it right in the range of TLOU2.

Ghost of Tsushima sold the same.

We haven't even mentioned Ghost of Yotei, which is probably going to be the big holiday game this year.
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That's kinda where I was going, I'd say that I'm expecting Intergalactic to be more on the TLOU2 range than on the GOWR/SM2/HD2/GT7? range.
Ghost of Yotei will be interesting to look at, but again, I'm also expecting it to be on the TLOU2 range, which is still pretty fucking good!
 
It's worth noting that SIE also has about 5 billion in Free Cash on Hand... which is kind of bonkers.

This is the first time I think I can remember Sony as a group having more cash on hand than debt. They still have plans to invest up to 12 billion dollars in M&A over the next two years (lower than that as some is stock buyback).
 
Mibu no ookami said:
Sure by 5.9 million in Q4 is pretty significant and certainly above baseline. We've seen as low as 4.7 million in Q2FY23 for example and not significantly below Q1FY24.
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I would expect baseline to be 3-4 mil for backcatalog and evergreen.
They added Astrobot to evergreen titles last year and it should continue to sell well in Q1 following TGA GOTY win, it's a huge marketing that usually provide nice and lasting uptick in sales.
 
Little Chicken said:
Down 1.7 million yoy, very concerning :messenger_grimmacing_

There goes that "2nd wind".
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True Chicken Little and sky falling eh ;)? Or maybe that Quarter was a bit higher than normal…

Expectation for this quarter was to be down in sales and they beat the estimate by 0.5 M more consoles… not the kind of trolling results you expected to have ;)?

Mibu no ookami said:
They outperformed the forecast by 500k units. Hardware sales down only about 11% YoY despite the lack of a big tentpole title during the holidays.
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vaibhavpisal said:
Its slowing down. Read the OP.

There wont be crazy numbers without price cut. They seem to be limited on that front due to PS5 Digital.

Should have launched a Series S equivalent for deep price cuts.
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You've gotta be kidding with the bolded.

They're not going to see a massive hardware boost without big software releases. This has been true since forever. In fact, one of the biggest misconceptions of PS2's dominance -- in the second part of it's life and well into the PS3 generation -- is the belief that it was the DVD capabilities and lower price that made it fly off shelves. In reality, it was GTA:SA/Gran Turismo 4/Guitar Hero 2/RE4/FIFA/Madden/GOW2 etc. that drove sales through the roof. Lower pricing is important, but a cheaper console isn't desirable if there aren't games that people want to play on it. We're literally witnessing this right now with the Series S's inability to succeed.

Software is key, and through delays and cancelations, PS5 console sales will be impacted.
 
Felessan said:
I would expect baseline to be 3-4 mil for backcatalog and evergreen.
They added Astrobot to evergreen titles last year and it should continue to sell well in Q1 following TGA GOTY win, it's a huge marketing that usually provide nice and lasting uptick in sales.
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Whoever is updating the software table for SIE is absolutely trolling. Crazy how opaque they are compared to say Capcom.
 
Unfortunatecookie said:
You've gotta be kidding with the bolded.

They're not going to see a massive hardware boost without big software releases. This has been true since forever. In fact, one of the biggest misconceptions of PS2's dominance -- in the second part of it's life and well into the PS3 generation -- is the belief that it was the DVD capabilities and lower price that made it fly off shelves. In reality, it was GTA:SA/Gran Turismo 4/Guitar Hero 2/RE4/FIFA/Madden/GOW2 etc. that drove sales through the roof. Lower pricing is important, but a cheaper console isn't desirable if there aren't games that people want to play on it. We're literally witnessing this right now with the Series S's inability to succeed.

Software is key, and through delays and cancelations, PS5 console sales will be impacted.
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You literally mentioned Grand Theft Auto, FIFA and Madden.
 
nial said:
I wouldn't be so sure about that, Q4 2027 launch is pretty much still on the table.
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A possibility, for sure. But I think the Pro's release timing gives more credence to a 2028 release.

PS4 (2013) > Pro (2016) > PS5 (2020)
PS5 (2020) > Pro (2024) > PS6 (?)

The timeline is already 1 years ahead, unless Sony is planning to give the PS5 Pro 1 fewer year this generation (which I don't think would be the case). Also, we have to take into account the initial supply issues due to COVID, which meant a lot of people couldn't start this generation as earlier as they'd have otherwise.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
A possibility, for sure. But I think the Pro's release timing gives more credence to a 2028 release.

PS4 (2013) > Pro (2016) > PS5 (2020)
PS5 (2020) > Pro (2024) > PS6 (?)
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I see this more of a correction, tbh. I always found it pretty weird that there was a longer timeframe between PS4 Pro and PS5 than between PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Heisenberg007 said:
Also, we have to take into account the initial supply issues due to COVID, which meant a lot of people couldn't start this generation as earlier as they'd have otherwise.
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Honestly? We're already way past that being an actual issue to overcome, it's a big reason FYs 22-23 (particularly compared to 15-16 for PS4) and 23-24 were so massive.
 
nial said:
What do you mean?
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Infrequently is already too positive description of it
Sony seems to be in no rush to provide details of game sales as they are fine as they are, and team responsible for it clearly doing other stuff. We took a total of 4 updates of sales data for the whole 2024 year and it took 3 months to provide HD2 numbers, straight to 13 mil
 
//DEVIL// said:
They don't have competition. yet they were able to sell that much.
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I don't understand the "yet". Not having strong competition made their job infinitely easier. In saying that, I know everyone is down on Sony's recent output, but these budgets are huge and games are hard to make. I do wish they would take some more risks. While I like much of their output, it is getting formulaic.
 
LakeOf9 said:
The sales are very impressive, and I expect it to easily cross 100 million. I think it will be ~120 million (give or take 5 million) by the end of its life, which is a hugely consistent and impressive result for Sony.
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I would be surprised if they hit the 120 million mark. Unlike past gens, it doesn't look they are going to be able to get that late gen burst of sales due to large price cuts. Not saying it's impossible as the market is larger and there will be people migrating from Xbox, but there is a reason all these platforms used to try to get their hardware down to that magic $199 number. That's when it is in impulse buy territory. That's when it becomes the obvious choice for an easy Christmas or birthday present for the kid, nephew, niece, grandkid.
 
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Year over year quarter 4 Hardware shipments are 1.7million down from 4.5 million.

PS5 Versus PS4

For the 4th quarter of the 4th full fiscal year (orange) the 2.8 million the PS5 shipped is 0.3 million up on PS4's 2.5 million and after 18 quarters the PS5 totals 77.8 million compared to 79.2 million for the PS4. This means launch aligned the PS5 is 1.4 million behind the PS4.

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Spitfire098 said:
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Money printer gonna go brrr when gta 6 launches.
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As dumb as it seems it was a smart move because they was losing a lot of money on Series consoles & GTA6 was coming .

Better to profit from a big game like GTA6 than to take a hit.

Keep in mind that they now have the PS5 & Switch 2 to push their software on so they don't have to take the hit on hardware trying to build a user-base.
 
Luminoth-4545 said:
Year over year quarter 4 Hardware shipments are 1.7million down from 4.5 million.

PS5 Versus PS4

For the 4th quarter of the 4th full fiscal year (orange) the 2.8 million the PS5 shipped is 0.3 million up on PS4's 2.5 million and after 18 quarters the PS5 totals 77.8 million compared to 79.2 million for the PS4. This means launch aligned the PS5 is 1.4 million behind the PS4.

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Where did you get this 79.2 million number for FY17?
 
Luminoth-4545 said:
Year over year quarter 4 Hardware shipments are 1.7million down from 4.5 million.

PS5 Versus PS4

For the 4th quarter of the 4th full fiscal year (orange) the 2.8 million the PS5 shipped is 0.3 million up on PS4's 2.5 million and after 18 quarters the PS5 totals 77.8 million compared to 79.2 million for the PS4. This means launch aligned the PS5 is 1.4 million behind the PS4.

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Damn, impressive!
 
Luminoth-4545 said:
Year over year quarter 4 Hardware shipments are 1.7million down from 4.5 million.

PS5 Versus PS4

For the 4th quarter of the 4th full fiscal year (orange) the 2.8 million the PS5 shipped is 0.3 million up on PS4's 2.5 million and after 18 quarters the PS5 totals 77.8 million compared to 79.2 million for the PS4. This means launch aligned the PS5 is 1.4 million behind the PS4.

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That's... odd. With the XSX|S now trailing the Xbone, I would've thought Sony would be tracking ahead, having effectively eaten Microsoft's base. Them both being behind means either a percentage of gamers haven't found a reason to buy a new console yet, or a percentage of people have just straight up stopped buying consoles. I predicted we'd see a contraction next-gen, given that console gaming is slowly pricing itself out of mass market territory, but I guess there's a chance we may see it start during this gen. Can't keep increasing the prices without sacrificing sales.
 
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Cakeboxer said:
I think it's possible. Xbox gave up and GTA VI will sell many consoles.
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GTA will give it a big ass bump for sure, I just don't think the PS5 will have the legs at the end of the generation, like in the past generations (due to price). PS4 could be had for $200 when it was 6 years old, we may be looking at a $400 console for the entirety of its life cycle with the PS5. Maybe GTA alone will be strong enough to make up for that difference.

Time will tell. I have owned every Sony home console and even though it is always my secondary console, I would never bet against them. My only reason for having doubts derives from the changing landscape of consumer electronics.

P.S. I also have to ask, why did you remove where I also stated I thought it was possible and gave a reason why?
 
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Shipments per fiscal year for Playstaion platforms (apart from Vita).

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Top 15 selling game consoles

PlatformTypeFirmReleasedUnits sold
PlayStation 2HomeSony2000160.0 million
Nintendo DSHandheldNintendo2004154.02 million
Nintendo SwitchHybridNintendo2017152.12 million
Game Boy & Game Boy ColorHandheldNintendo1989, 1998118.69 million
PlayStation 4HomeSony2013117.2 million
PlayStationHomeSony1994102.49 million
WiiHomeNintendo2006101.63 million
PlayStation 3HomeSony200687.4 million
Xbox 360HomeMicrosoft200585.6 million
PlayStation PortableHandheldSony200482.5 million
Game Boy AdvanceHandheldNintendo200181.51 million
PlayStation 5HomeSony202077.8 million
Nintendo 3DSHandheldNintendo201175.94 million
Nintendo Entertainment SystemHomeNintendo198361.91 million
Xbox OneHomeMicrosoft201358.0 million

The PS5 has now overtaken the 3DS to currently be the 12th bestselling console of all time.
 
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ReasonBeing said:
GTA will give it a big ass bump for sure, I just don't think the PS5 will have the legs at the end of the generation, like in the past generations (due to price). PS4 could be had for $200 when it was 6 years old, we may be looking at a $400 console for the entirety of its life cycle with the PS5. Maybe GTA alone will be strong enough to make up for that difference.

Time will tell. I have owned every Sony home console and even though it is always my secondary console, I would never bet against them. My only reason for having doubts derives from the changing landscape of consumer electronics.
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The price wasn't a problem for Nintendo, the price didn't help Microsoft and the 800 Euro for the Pro weren't a problem either. I think GTA can sell >5 million PS5 on it's own. Many people are still sitting on their PS4 and wait for a reason to upgrade.

ReasonBeing said:
P.S. I also have to ask, why did you remove where I also stated I thought it was possible and gave a reason why?
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This happened without malicious intent. Your "would" already implied that you think it's possible, but unlikely. Didn't want to quote that block of text without paragraphs when the first sentence already contains everything needed..
 
Unfortunatecookie said:
You've gotta be kidding with the bolded.

They're not going to see a massive hardware boost without big software releases. This has been true since forever. In fact, one of the biggest misconceptions of PS2's dominance -- in the second part of it's life and well into the PS3 generation -- is the belief that it was the DVD capabilities and lower price that made it fly off shelves. In reality, it was GTA:SA/Gran Turismo 4/Guitar Hero 2/RE4/FIFA/Madden/GOW2 etc. that drove sales through the roof. Lower pricing is important, but a cheaper console isn't desirable if there aren't games that people want to play on it. We're literally witnessing this right now with the Series S's inability to succeed.

Software is key, and through delays and cancelations, PS5 console sales will be impacted.
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Price, games, availability, mindshare.

It all has to come together. People think its easy to sell consoles. Just make good gaemes. LMAO

Xbox isn't putting effort in selling there system. There isn't much to it. Especially Series S.
 
ReasonBeing said:
I don't understand the "yet". Not having strong competition made their job infinitely easier. In saying that, I know everyone is down on Sony's recent output, but these budgets are huge and games are hard to make. I do wish they would take some more risks. While I like much of their output, it is getting formulaic.
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I think Sony still takes the most amount of risk among the 3 console manufacturers:
  • Microsoft has only acquired only established IPs and has done nothing of note on their own.
  • Nintendo is still banking on old IPs and names and keeps making low-budget spin-offs.
  • Sony also relies heavily on older IPs, but they also take a lot of risks, especially with new developers, studios, and regions. Games like Stellar Blade wouldn't have been possible otherwise. Also, the China Hero Project, Indian Hero Project, MENA Hero Project, are very commendable. Not to mention PS VR 2, which is as risky as it comes.
 
Cakeboxer said:
The price wasn't a problem for Nintendo, the price didn't help Microsoft and the 800 Euro for the Pro weren't a problem either. I think GTA can sell >5 million PS5 on it's own. Many people are still sitting on their PS4 and wait for a reason to upgrade.


This happened without malicious intent. Your "would" already implied that you think it's possible, but unlikely. Didn't want to quote that block of text without paragraphs when the first sentence already contains everything needed..
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Ill push back against those two points. The Switch has an $199 option, so there was no problem to solve.

I also don't think it's fair to say it didn't help MS. Half of the Series consoles sold were the Series S. We can't know for sure, but it isn't a stretch to assume many were impulse purchases for those wanting to jump into next Gen, especially during those two years where the PS5 had supply issues. Now this is anecdotal, so it's not worth much, but I knew a few people who got a SS exactly for that reason.

More importantly, it didn't help them grow, but could you imagine Xbox's install base if they didn't have the SS available?
 
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