Rocco Schiavone
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Terrible line up.
__SteakDeck__
Member
I'm sure the Nintendo fanboy in you is very happy about this. lol
__SteakDeck__
Member
lol delusional Nintendo fanboy.
Kerotan
Member
Playstation is an Xbox now didn't you hear?
Bojji
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yogaflame
Member
Im a Sony Ps fan but I agree. PS5 hardware is very good tech, and I enjoyed 1st, 2nd party exclusives and time exclusives like for example Stellar blade, Death Stranding, Silent hill 2 remake, Astrobot, GOW but its still very few for me compared to ps1 to ps3 era. For me the biggest flaw of Sony this gen are 1st party and 2nd party single player exclusives are very few especially RPG, action adventure games like Ico, shadow of collosus, infamous, and Last guardian. And underutilize PS franchise classic IP like for example warhawk, wild arms, legend of dragoon, killzone, sly, siren, wild arms, gravity rush, alundra, etc. And Japan made exclusives no more ( no more Japan Studio which I hope be back )
jm89
Member
Stolen from era. Sonys profit margins compare to EA and Nintendo.
| Company | 2023–2024 FY Profits | 2024–2025 FY Profits | 2025–2026 Projected Profits |
|---|---|---|---|
| EA | $1.2 Billion | $1.1 Billion | ~$0.8 Billion |
| Nintendo | $3.5 Billion | $2.2 Billion | $2.5 Billion |
| PlayStation | $1.9 Billion | $2.8 Billion | $3.2 Billion (tariffs included) |
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Sony doubling their profits in 2 years and surpassing Nintendo is something for sire. That was the one thing they were behind. Revenue numbers were always trough the roof.
Also: software sales ($17B, +14%)
"PS5 has no games" indeed.
Sony could stop having studios at this point and Playstation would do good lmao.
Audiophile
Member
I think with these numbers while at these prices they won't worry about the small difference and just rake in the hardware profit, then if they plan on launching PS6 in 2027, we'll see a Q4 2026 price drop to $349/549 for the Slim/Pro, they'll drop the disc sku entirely and then just have the add-on disc drive readily available for them.
Then as PS6 launches, they'll discontinue the Pro and all current PS5 models, then release cheap, tatty, digital PS5 "super-slim" at $299 with a $49 optional disc drive add-on available.
Then PS6 will be $599, sold as digital only but with a $79 add-on disc drive.
If they really wanna release in 2027, they might not be all that inclined to push people too hard on PS5, instead hoping to get them over to PS6 early rather than on PS5 late then PS6 late. The whole gen's been a bit naff, maybe there's an attitude of just trying to get into the next one.
Then as PS6 launches, they'll discontinue the Pro and all current PS5 models, then release cheap, tatty, digital PS5 "super-slim" at $299 with a $49 optional disc drive add-on available.
Then PS6 will be $599, sold as digital only but with a $79 add-on disc drive.
If they really wanna release in 2027, they might not be all that inclined to push people too hard on PS5, instead hoping to get them over to PS6 early rather than on PS5 late then PS6 late. The whole gen's been a bit naff, maybe there's an attitude of just trying to get into the next one.
Astray
Member
Roughly similar, give or take a million units or two.
This is with no price drops too, which is honestly massive and speaks a lot to how well-oiled the Sony Marketing and Retail machine is.
laynelane
Member
I don't think it's much of a factor for many PS customers. It's additive or a bonus - not even close to solely defining the value of the console.
MrJangles
Member
Reckon Nintendo will top that number in 3 years with the Switch 2.
Anyway, 78 million units in five years is pretty respectable considering the lack of any exclusive genre defining games for it (Astrobot excluded which is criminally underselling), we should be hearing something concrete about the PS5 by 2027 so Sony has another 2 years to sell another 20m+ of them to break the 100m barrier before people start holding off for the next console. GTA6 will help those numbers I suppose. For me personally the PS5 is a console I'll barely remember.
Anyway, 78 million units in five years is pretty respectable considering the lack of any exclusive genre defining games for it (Astrobot excluded which is criminally underselling), we should be hearing something concrete about the PS5 by 2027 so Sony has another 2 years to sell another 20m+ of them to break the 100m barrier before people start holding off for the next console. GTA6 will help those numbers I suppose. For me personally the PS5 is a console I'll barely remember.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Like 1.5M above PS5 or something like that. The thing is, on console keeps increasing its price while the other one was decreasing lmao.
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Carried by the name of the brand. This year the console will complete 5 years and I reckon the exclusive department while it gave us some decent games, it's still not up there with the standard we got used to. Maybe the pandemic and all that shite played a massive role and maybe I only feel like this gen is still lacking. Who cares though? Thats a massive number of sales so congratulations to Sony
Weakest ever doesn't necessarily mean bad. Not when they have released high rated games in pretty much all genres.
For a time and for some people, "the usual suspectss", the narrative was: if it isn't PS5 exclusive then it doesn't "count". Pettiness at its best. Another one is: if it's not their own 1st party IP, it somehow makes the library weak. And of course this other nonsense: it's also on PC= PS5 library sucks, which is pretty much an unwinnable position for the PS library this gen and going forward.
Ridiculous nonsense, all of it. You know why it deserves the sales? because people who buy the console are happy with it, they get all the great games everybody gets and then plenty more.
And the truth is the majority doesn't know how to tell 3rd from 2nd from 1st party or timed exclusive or if it's going to PC eventually. People only care it's great hardware, as you put it, and they're getting served the goods they like.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Wait GTA 6
rickybooby87
Member
I wonder if Jez offers stock market advice too?Remember
Xbox is on track to knock Sony PlayStation down to third place for the first time in history
With combined Activision and Xbox revenues, Sony PlayStation may be looking at a third-place software and services spot behind Microsoft for the first time.www.windowscentral.com
Horseganador
Member
In the end, they have exceeded their own forecasts and have sold over 18 million PS5.
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TheMule1983
Member
Explains why it's dying then.
Baemono
Member
Did Microsoft publish their projections for the Xbox brand with figures ? Or just clouds/suns/storms and participation prices as they always do ?
Bojji
Member
People that are driving sales the most are FIFA/FC, COD, Fortnite etc. crowd. They are happy with whatever dogshit content for their favorite games drop.
You are on a hardcore gaming forum, people here want the best gaming has to offer and Sony was one of the top publishers before...
Also this:
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Unknown?
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PS1 and PS2 days they had even less first party stuff and relied on big 3rd party games. PS1's biggest franchises were Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, and Crash Bandicoot. Only big game they had was Gran Turismo and the rest were small games that were few and far between all the way up to the PS3 where they started focusing on that around 2010.
PlayStaytion
Member
As a series x owner, I don't plan to upgrade within 5 years cause I know what will I get out of the box and I don't think I'm the only one cause it's silly to think that price gap will change consumers decisions when I and many others whip $500+ on games every year."Should have launched a Series S equivalent for deep price cuts."
I think everyone knows/expects Sony will do the same....but at least we have a time frame for shit and giggles:
on the May 8th episode of Podcast Unlocked, episode 692, at 25 minutes and 55 seconds into the show, Ryan McCaffrey stated that if Sony doesn't raise their hardware prices, like Microsoft did, within the next 3 months, then Ryan will print out the show notes and eat them while on air
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Kvally
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^yikes, imagine having that mindset. Who needs games! We have profit!
Woopah
Member
Vert strong results for Q4, and their hardware expectations line up with my own
Though of course we'll have to see the tarrif impact/changes.
Though of course we'll have to see the tarrif impact/changes.
I believe the Astro Bot bundle launched in March, so that would have an effect too.
First party games were never the most played on PlayStation.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Reading skills are truly at an all time low.
jm89
Member
Just more high level data like content and service growth/decline.
They removed
-profit margins
-Hardware sales
-Gamepass sub numbers
They even recently didn't give a forecast for hardware.
Either they will completley stop mentioning that as it looks bad with constant decline or they are uncertain with tarriffs so aren't providing a forecast. Probably the former considering their history.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
March 10th... Not sure how much of an impact that would be. Especially given the low quarterly sales.
Woopah
Member
This makes 0 sense.
When PS2 sold more than 150 million was that "a point of no return" for Nintendo.
Switch passing PS2 will have 0 impact on Sony's business.
Everyone knows that. People buy Sony's great woke games instead.
At least a few 100ks of the bundles would be shipped I'd say. I think MLB would still be the biggest contributor.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Seeing how Gaf is leaning heavily towards PC-gaming, most people here aren't the target-audience for Playstation.People that are driving sales the most are FIFA/FC, COD, Fortnite etc. crowd. They are happy with whatever dogshit content for their favorite games drop.
You are on a hardcore gaming forum, people here want the best gaming has to offer and Sony was one of the top publishers before...
Also this:
There's quite a correlation between that fact and the overall narrative on Gaf.
Bojji
Member
Assuming what you are saying is true (I think PS users dominate here) then PC users buy PS consoles for exclusives. And between games being ported and sony not making enough first party content - PS5 is the weakest Sony console so far for people like that.
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Kvally
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Again, you can objectively say it's the "worst" but that doesn't mean it's bad, only others were better. You bought a Pro recently, and you primarily game on PC.People that are driving sales the most are FIFA/FC, COD, Fortnite etc. crowd. They are happy with whatever dogshit content for their favorite games drop.
You are on a hardcore gaming forum, people here want the best gaming has to offer and Sony was one of the top publishers before...
Also this:
You fall under the category of gamer who doesn't see more value in the PS5 because you prefer PC and you play many Sony games there. Well, that's YOU. Not all people care about PC. If you weren't a PC player you would definitely appreciate the whole PS library a lot more.
Also, about that poll, it's premature to evaluate the PS5 against the other PlayStations because this gen is NOT OVER. Like I've said around here a couple times: take out the PS4 1st party games from 2018-2020, how does that library look without GoW, Death Stranding, Spider-Man, Days Gone, Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us 2? Not very good.
Then again, so far very good output for Playstation. You ignored the first thing I said:: they have released critically acclaimed games and system sellers. If they aren't much value to you then you wasted your money on that Pro.
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Felessan
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Or salty MS/Nintendo/PC fans heavily downvote their biggest woe today
nial
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You know we reached top comedy when we're getting to screenshots of *that* thread once again.People that are driving sales the most are FIFA/FC, COD, Fortnite etc. crowd. They are happy with whatever dogshit content for their favorite games drop.
You are on a hardcore gaming forum, people here want the best gaming has to offer and Sony was one of the top publishers before...
Also this:
ReBurn
Gold Member
I was curious if they were going to try to stuff the channel to try to delay the impact of tariffs. It's good to see that they took that step. Hopefully the tariff situation resolves before they have to adjust pricing.
nial
Member
What do you mean? All those numbers match.
Excellent numbers all around imho.
PS4 sold 17,8m in the FY that just started, even assuming Sony doesn't have anything big and falls even more slightly behind, they should be able to outpace PS4 after GTA's release.
PS4 did "only" 13,4m in GTA's FY and that should be quite beatable with GTA.
edit: wtf is going on with their financial services though
PS4 sold 17,8m in the FY that just started, even assuming Sony doesn't have anything big and falls even more slightly behind, they should be able to outpace PS4 after GTA's release.
PS4 did "only" 13,4m in GTA's FY and that should be quite beatable with GTA.
edit: wtf is going on with their financial services though
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nial
Member
Partial spin-off about to happen with the transfer of SFGI's shares to Sony Group's shareholders.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Look at the number reported for 12/31/17 and then add the subsequent quarter...
nial
Member
Sold, not shipped.
Woopah
Member
How are you getting that from this result?
