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[Woopah]

"Everything" = A single game
Yes, it's my fault for wanting more games and variety. How could I question the goddess Sony and their lack of in-house games?

Don't you want more games? Do you think it's normal for Sony to go so long without publishing new games and, when they do publish one, it doesn't even end up being developed internally or an IP of their own? So if I don't like DS2, I just wait another 6 months? Sony has over 20 studios bro, c'mon.

Sometimes I think I like Sony's games more than you do, because I want games from their studios (excluding bombs like Concord and woke crap) and they take forever. I don't know who decided that Sony publishing 1-2 new games per year from their studios/IPs is "ok", it's sucks.

A first party publisher publishing a game that's not internally developed or not from a IP they own is very normal. Has been that way for decades.

Sony is publishing a game next month. If you don't like it you can buy the one they are publishing two months later. Don't like that one then buy the one they are publishing two months after that.

 

[Astray]

You really think I'm stressed over this? I gave up on idea that Sony might go back to their former glory quite some time ago. They are just another soulless corporation at this point.

I rarely post in threads like this where fanboys are jerking off to sales stats. But I also know how my opinions trigger some people so it's interesting to see some responses, hahaha.

I invested too much into the ecosystem (since 2009) to gave up on it entirely. PS5 is very useful for some things, Pro is a weak upgrade but still an upgrade and fixes most IQ flaws standard PS5 have. DS2, GoY and (obviously) GTA6 were my main reasons to upgrade console + nice deal I found and disc drive at MSRP.

Dude if I search the word "PSSR" or "PS5 Pro" I will find your posts either dominating my search results, or I will find your posts within 3 posts of anyone else's.

Case in point, you have more than 8 pages of posts containing the phrase "PSSR" alone:

https://www.neogaf.com/search/4349586/?q=PSSR&c[users]=Bojji&o=relevance

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's their favourite (only) tactic. To claim that everyone who doesn't display slavish Mibu no ookami levels of devotion to Sony must automatically either be an alt or an undercover MS employee or both.

I think a shift is happening tbh.

This evangalisation of Sony and that anything different, especially Xbox is fundamentally bad. Or, if you enjoy gamepass etc that you are some employee or paid influencer...or even worse,deranged, is changing i think.

Gamepass has reached a point that it's delivering consistently on what it needs to...which is great games regularly.

The fact that the game of the year was on it day one is a testament to the team doing a great job.

I think it seems like every company has found its success and MS is finally delivering great games. Just third party

 

[Bojji]

Dude if I search the word "PSSR" or "PS5 Pro" I will find your posts either dominating my search results, or I will find your posts within 3 posts of anyone else's.

Case in point, you have more than 8 pages of posts containing the phrase "PSSR" alone:

https://www.neogaf.com/search/4349586/?q=PSSR&c[users]=Bojji&o=relevance

Yep.

And most of what I said about Pro is still accurate.

 

[Skifi28]

I fucking love fried chicken. That's all

Boiled Little Chicken is the best I can do.

 

[m14]

I think a shift is happening tbh.

This evangalisation of Sony and that anything different, especially Xbox is fundamentally bad. Or, if you enjoy gamepass etc that you are some employee or paid influencer...or even worse,deranged, is changing i think.

Gamepass has reached a point that it's delivering consistently on what it needs to...which is great games regularly.

The fact that the game of the year was on it day one is a testament to the team doing a great job.

I think it seems like every company has found its success and MS is finally delivering great games. Just third party

I wonder when this shift will finally reach NeoGAF?

 

[Astray]

Yep.

And most of what I said about Pro is still accurate.

I mean that's your opinion lol.

 

[playbignbox]

I think a shift is happening tbh.

This evangalisation of Sony and that anything different, especially Xbox is fundamentally bad. Or, if you enjoy gamepass etc that you are some employee or paid influencer...or even worse,deranged, is changing i think.

Gamepass has reached a point that it's delivering consistently on what it needs to...which is great games regularly.

The fact that the game of the year was on it day one is a testament to the team doing a great job.

I think it seems like every company has found its success and MS is finally delivering great games. Just third party

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think a shift is happening tbh.

This evangalisation of Sony and that anything different, especially Xbox is fundamentally bad. Or, if you enjoy gamepass etc that you are some employee or paid influencer...or even worse,deranged, is changing i think.

Gamepass has reached a point that it's delivering consistently on what it needs to...which is great games regularly.

The fact that the game of the year was on it day one is a testament to the team doing a great job.

I think it seems like every company has found its success and MS is finally delivering great games. Just third party

What shift?

On Gaf? ~63% of Gaf is PC-centric. No wonder there is a shift.

 

[Hector Hall]

Xbox with $22 billion, you'd think they made -$3 the way people "discuss" their performance

22 billion and no profits.
And Xbox doesn't do 22 billion. That's MS Gaming, with all they make in Playstation, Switch and PC included.
Xbox numbers are probably a tiny fraction of that.

 

[Hector Hall]

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

People don't want to rent games, stop already with the GP evangelization.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

MS mismanaging a previously well run business. Who could have seen this coming…

I mean Bobby Kotick literally took the stand during the ATVI antitrust hearing and told the judge he didn't agree with subscription models and that they would decrease the money his company would make

 

[Steve Holt]

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

I'm sure it's not just Sony 'fanboys' who criticise it, I think a wide audience criticise it. Even developers have had their say.. It's existence has totally cannibalised Xbox sales and their gamer habits to the point Microsoft have had to go third party.

PlayStation owners get all their library now because 'GamePass when?' became a thing. It's hardly a success story.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

I'm sure it's not just Sony 'fanboys' who criticise it, I think a wide audience criticise it. Even developers have had their say.. It's existence has totally cannibalised Xbox sales and their gamer habits to the point Microsoft have had to go third party.

PlayStation owners get all their library now because 'GamePass when?' became a thing. It's hardly a success story.

I'm literally at a gaming event in stockholm Sweden alongside big players in the industry such as Nvidia, HP omen, Lenovo, logitech, Asus and more, with a large group of retail staff who are being trained in gaming and when it gets brought up there is nothing but love for gamepass.

Literally Nvidia showing off doom on 50 series and talking about gamepass. One of the rewards the vendors are giving out is gamepass ultimate and no, Xbox or Microsoft aren't here and it's not through or endorsed by them.

 

[drganon]

I'm surprised he's continued here after the thorough roasting he got last Sunday.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...to-a-new-report.1683899/page-4#post-270405087

How is some rando getting thread banned for being retarded equal ghg being "roasted"?

 

[Steve Holt]

I'm literally at a gaming event in stockholm Sweden alongside big players in the industry such as Nvidia, HP omen, Lenovo, logitech, Asus and more, with a large group of retail staff who are being trained in gaming and when it gets brought up there is nothing but love for gamepass.

Literally Nvidia showing off doom on 50 series and talking about gamepass. One of the rewards the vendors are giving out is gamepass ultimate and no, Xbox or Microsoft aren't here and it's not through or endorsed by them.

Just a quick check, those companies have partnerships with Microsoft or Xbox.


Nvidia

GeForce RTX gamers will receive the definitive DOOM: The Dark Ages experience thanks to our technical partnership with id Software

Asus

The upcoming collaboration project between Microsoft and ASUS is slowly materializing in the form of a handheld gaming console, as recently released promotional material shows. The latest teaser video shows an ASUS ROG Ally and Xbox controller merging into a single unit, becoming an animated character, indicating a hardware partnership that combines Microsoft's software ecosystem with ASUS's portable hardware expertise.

Without even looking at it further. Logitech have a partnership with Xbox.

It seems a bit wild that you wouldn't be aware of the partnerships and collaborations between these companies and Microsoft/Xbox

 

[Felessan]

I'm literally at a gaming event in stockholm Sweden alongside big players in the industry such as Nvidia, HP omen, Lenovo, logitech, Asus and more, with a large group of retail staff who are being trained in gaming and when it gets brought up there is nothing but love for gamepass.

Of course they love it, they are the biggest winners of xbox hardware dying.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Just a quick check, those companies have partnerships with Microsoft or Xbox.


Nvidia


Asus


Without even looking at it further. Logitech have a partnership with Xbox.

It seems a bit wild that you wouldn't be aware of the partnerships and collaborations between these companies and Microsoft/Xbox

You know nvidia aren't giving away gamepass right and doom is a free game they give away with gpus. That's completely operate to gamepass.

Of course I know these companies work with ms in some capacity. They own windows.

I like how you think you had some gotcha while I'm regularly working with these companies and know their staff and talk about a lot of things.

 

[Steve Holt]

You know nvidia aren't giving away gamepass right and doom is a free game they give away with gpus. That's completely operate to gamepass.

Of course I know these companies work with ms in some capacity. They own windows.

I like how you think you had some gotcha while I'm regularly working with these companies and know their staff and talk about a lot of things.

Just to remind you what you said.

One of the rewards the vendors are giving out is gamepass ultimate and no, Xbox or Microsoft aren't here and it's not through or endorsed by them.

You said the vendors are handing out GamePass Ultimate without any endorsements / incentive at all.
When it looks like a significant number of the vendors there have partnerships and collaborations. It's a weird take.

 

[Steve Holt]

Of course they love it, they are the biggest winners of xbox hardware dying.

Absolutely, I'm sure they can get an Xbox sticker for their future hardware with few qualms.

 

[playbignbox]

People don't want to rent games, stop already with the GP evangelization.

I disagree, most people just want to play, whether it's through a subscription or by buying the game individually.

In fact, Robocop is an example of a game that is on the list precisely because it recently became available through a PlayStation Plus subscription, so it's not like PlayStation users don't take advantage of this service model as well. The problem is that the service doesn't have the same quality as GamePass, not that users don't want to rent games.

Anyway, there's no "evangelization", you're free to buy the games. But I hope that you and everyone who liked your comment are consistent and don't play anything through PS Plus either since "renting games" is the problem, okay?

(And I'm commenting this because some of the trolls who liked your post were the same ones who liked the April PS Plus new games thread, which is hilarious hypocrisy)

 

[jm89]

I'm literally at a gaming event in stockholm Sweden alongside big players in the industry such as Nvidia, HP omen, Lenovo, logitech, Asus and more, with a large group of retail staff who are being trained in gaming and when it gets brought up there is nothing but love for gamepass.

Literally Nvidia showing off doom on 50 series and talking about gamepass. One of the rewards the vendors are giving out is gamepass ultimate and no, Xbox or Microsoft aren't here and it's not through or endorsed by them.

Xbox and ms don't need it be there for companies to push some partnership they have lol.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I disagree, most people just want to play, whether it's through a subscription or by buying the game individually.

In fact, Robocop is an example of a game that is on the list precisely because it recently became available through a PlayStation Plus subscription, so it's not like PlayStation users don't take advantage of this service model as well. The problem is that the service doesn't have the same quality as GamePass, not that users don't want to rent games.

You're ignoring paywalled multiplayer, which is basically forcing people to sub if they want to play online.

So Robocop being played by PS+ members doesn't (necessarily) equate to people being happy to play games through sub services.

This flawed way of thinking is probably how Xbox ended up in their current situation with GamePass.

 

[playbignbox]

You're ignoring paywalled multiplayer, which is basically forcing people to sub if they want to play online.

So Robocop being played by PS+ members doesn't (necessarily) equate to people being happy to play games through sub services.

This flawed way of thinking is probably how Xbox ended up in their current situation with GamePass.

Man, you're over-elaborating your explanation and avoiding the most obvious conclusion: most people don't give a damn about not buying the game and playing it through the subscription service.

Robocop is a game from over a year ago, it entered the top 10 because it joined the service and I highly doubt that anyone is not happy about playing it through the subscription service, as if they were forced to redeem the game or if the option to buy it no longer exists lol

Go to the PS Plus update thread for April and you'll see many people here celebrating the addition, including some of those who liked the "nobody wants to rent games" post.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Man, you're over-elaborating your explanation and avoiding the most obvious conclusion: most people don't give a damn about not buying the game and playing it through the subscription service.

Robocop is a game from over a year ago, it entered the top 10 because it joined the service and I highly doubt that anyone is not happy about playing it through the subscription service, as if they were forced to redeem the game or if the option to buy it no longer exists lol

Go to the PS Plus update thread for April and you'll see many people here celebrating the addition, including some of those who liked the "nobody wants to rent games" post.

I'm not the one over-elaborating.

Ofcourse it's nice to get a "free" game through a service you happen to have.
Nobody is disputing that.

 

[Felessan]

Free games are nice incentive to run subscription even if you seldomly play paid online games (and f2p does not require ps+)

Like I seldomly play online in paid games but have subscription running just in case and I'm getting games into my collection that adds value to having subscription. If there would not be free games, I would drop subscription as I don't play that much paid games online

 

[playbignbox]

I'm not the one over-elaborating.

Ofcourse it's nice to get a "free" game through a service you happen to have.
Nobody is disputing that.

Maybe not over-elaborating, but it's at least an elegant rationalization to maintain the "I'm against game rentals" pose, but continue to enjoy the service when it's convenient.

It seems very strange to me that people who redeem, play, wait for the catalog releases and participate in the monthly discussions here about game additions, but at the same time criticize the rental model. They are literally participating in the model they criticize, just at a lower tier, unless they're on the higher PS Plus plans too, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Maybe not over-elaborating, but it's at least an elegant rationalization to maintain the "I'm against game rentals" pose, but continue to enjoy the service when it's convenient.

It seems very strange to me that people who redeem, play, wait for the catalog releases and participate in the monthly discussions here about game additions, but at the same time criticize the rental model. They are literally participating in the model they criticize, just at a lower tier, unless they're on the higher PS Plus plans too, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.

Personally, I'm not against game rentals/sub services. There's always a market for it.

I just don't think using a game like Robocop is a good argument, due to paywalled multiplayer.
A lot of people will have subbed regardless of games being available. This skews numbers.

 

[GHG]

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

It's also a similar story on Steam on a platform where gamepass is also available.

What's your excuse there?

At this point you bootlickers just need to get over it. The more you behave like this, the more games I'll buy, and there's nothing you can do about it.

How is some rando getting thread banned for being retarded equal ghg being "roasted"?

With the way he keeps on bringing it up, it makes it clear it's either him or someone he's connected with.

 

[Baemono]

Gamepass has reached a point that it's delivering consistently on what it needs to...which is great games regularly.

The fact that the game of the year was on it day one is a testament to the team doing a great job.

Dude come on, the service is here for 8 years, it barely started putting games at a regular pace 2 days ago, you can't really say "it reached a point where", we don't know how long it will last.

And which game are you referring to ? Cause Astrobot sure isn't on Game Pass.

 

[Steve Holt]

Dude come on, the service is here for 8 years, it barely started putting games at a regular pace 2 days ago, you can't really say "it reached a point where", we don't know how long it will last.

And which game are you referring to ? Cause Astrobot sure isn't on Game Pass.

Probably referring to Expedition 33.

Which ironically was torpedoed by Xbox and GamePass team when they shadow dropped Oblivion two days before it's launch.

 

[Hector Hall]

I'm literally at a gaming event in stockholm Sweden alongside big players in the industry such as Nvidia, HP omen, Lenovo, logitech, Asus and more, with a large group of retail staff who are being trained in gaming and when it gets brought up there is nothing but love for gamepass.

Literally Nvidia showing off doom on 50 series and talking about gamepass. One of the rewards the vendors are giving out is gamepass ultimate and no, Xbox or Microsoft aren't here and it's not through or endorsed by them.

That only shows how off rails those suits are.

Besides, Logitech, Lenovo and all those don't live on software sales, but hardware ones,, and for them it doesn't really matter if software is F2P, subscription model or Premium as long as they get to sell they hardware . A platform holder, on the other hand, with subsidized software lives on software sales and royalties and can't kill off software sales so easily. Well, you can, but you kill yourself, as it has happened.

 

[playbignbox]

It's also a similar story on Steam on a platform where gamepass is also available.

What's your excuse there?

At this point you bootlickers just need to get over it. The more you behave like this, the more games I'll buy, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Excuse for what, man? What are you talking about? I posted that GamePass is a great service because of the library and I argued that based on the fact that many of the games it has are on the most popular paid PlayStation games. If they're on the most popular Steam games too, you're just reinforcing my point.

And why bootlicker? Just because I don't mind paying for a rental service that has a bunch of games I want to play? No one is stopping you from buying any individual game.

Just calm down bro lol

 

[GHG]

Excuse for what, man? What are you talking about? I posted that GamePass is a great service because of the library and I argued that based on the fact that many of the games it has are on the most popular paid PlayStation games. If they're on the most popular Steam games too, you're just reinforcing my point.

And why bootlicker? Just because I don't mind paying for a rental service that has a bunch of games I want to play? No one is stopping you from buying any individual game.

Just calm down bro lol

Because the fact is that it's not just "playstation fanboys" dismissing gamepass.

You have 100's of millions of PC gamers dismissing it. Or are they also "playstation fanboys" in your eyes?

 

[Calverz]

Excuse for what, man? What are you talking about? I posted that GamePass is a great service because of the library and I argued that based on the fact that many of the games it has are on the most popular paid PlayStation games. If they're on the most popular Steam games too, you're just reinforcing my point.

And why bootlicker? Just because I don't mind paying for a rental service that has a bunch of games I want to play? No one is stopping you from buying any individual game.

Just calm down bro lol

Welcome to Neo Gaf

 

[Neofire]

Excuse for what, man? What are you talking about? I posted that GamePass is a great service because of the library and I argued that based on the fact that many of the games it has are on the most popular paid PlayStation games. If they're on the most popular Steam games too, you're just reinforcing my point.

And why bootlicker? Just because I don't mind paying for a rental service that has a bunch of games I want to play? No one is stopping you from buying any individual game.

Just calm down bro lol

I get what your saying(and the individual you are replying to)but that door swings both ways. Many see GP as service taking the industry down a path of no game ownership and the end of physical games. Not to mention the detriment it has on developers. On the other side people like renting games for cheap and don't have time to play games very much.

At the end of the day time will tell if GP will be beneficial to the industry in the long run. I couldn't give a damn about how much money it makes Microsoft because that money isn't going to my bank account nor to any of yours lol.

 

[Baemono]

Probably referring to Expedition 33.

Which ironically was torpedoed by Xbox and GamePass team when they shadow dropped Oblivion two days before it's launch.

Okay make sense

 

[playbignbox]

Because the fact is that it's not just "playstation fanboys" dismissing gamepass.

You have 100's of millions of PC gamers dismissing it. Or are they also "playstation fanboys" in your eyes?

Dude, this was a reply to the comment I quoted:

This evangalisation of Sony and that anything different, especially Xbox is fundamentally bad. Or, if you enjoy gamepass etc that you are some employee or paid influencer...or even worse,deranged, is changing i think.

Gamepass has reached a point that it's delivering consistently on what it needs to...which is great games regularly.

You know, saying "Xbox/GamePass is fundamentally bad" while ignoring the solid lineup it's been delivering sounds less like an opinion and more like blind brand loyalty, very common by Sony fanboys on this forum.

That's the kind of "dismissing" I was talking about, not just people who don't subscribe, but those who act like enjoying it makes you "deranged", as DenchDeckard said.

 

[Unknown?]

I disagree, most people just want to play, whether it's through a subscription or by buying the game individually.

In fact, Robocop is an example of a game that is on the list precisely because it recently became available through a PlayStation Plus subscription, so it's not like PlayStation users don't take advantage of this service model as well. The problem is that the service doesn't have the same quality as GamePass, not that users don't want to rent games.

Anyway, there's no "evangelization", you're free to buy the games. But I hope that you and everyone who liked your comment are consistent and don't play anything through PS Plus either since "renting games" is the problem, okay?

(And I'm commenting this because some of the trolls who liked your post were the same ones who liked the April PS Plus new games thread, which is hilarious hypocrisy)

No, I think most people want to "try before they buy." A premise set by Sony before the PS4 launched but not put into action.

Being able to sample games before you buy is infinitely better than getting a limited roster of games in a subscription. It allows you to pay for what you want.

 

[Felessan]

You know, saying "Xbox/GamePass is fundamentally bad" while ignoring the solid lineup it's been delivering sounds less like an opinion and more like blind brand loyalty, very common by Sony fanboys on this forum.

Fundamentally (core structure that affect long-term results) it's bad as it's destroy value, destroy buying habbit etc. It's all been discussed several time.
On the surface level for short term window and consumer perspective it's a great value proposition.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Let me play PS2 and PS3 discs and I'll buy one.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony fans celebrating hardware sales, meanwhile it's almost June and there are no new games from Sony this year lmao

 

[ProtoByte]

That's... odd. With the XSX|S now trailing the Xbone, I would've thought Sony would be tracking ahead, having effectively eaten Microsoft's base. Them both being behind means either a percentage of gamers haven't found a reason to buy a new console yet, or a percentage of people have just straight up stopped buying consoles. I predicted we'd see a contraction next-gen, given that console gaming is slowly pricing itself out of mass market territory, but I guess there's a chance we may see it start during this gen. Can't keep increasing the prices without sacrificing sales.

Prices aren't the problem, at least not directly. It doesn't help, but between an extended cross gen period and an awful new precedent of Sony first parties joining in on that shit for more than 2 years, PC porting, live service shilling and a lethargic release schedule even this late into the gen, and an unapologetically lazy and presumptive advertising machine that needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into running showcases that still wind up being total shit, it's no wonder they're behind.

It doesn't sound like it's getting any better next gen either. Handheld hampering and MAU focus... I want to hold out hope that Nishino will push back on that, but it's not looking good.

 

[Woopah]

No, I think most people want to "try before they buy." A premise set by Sony before the PS4 launched but not put into action.

Being able to sample games before you buy is infinitely better than getting a limited roster of games in a subscription. It allows you to pay for what you want.

How does this work with GamePass?

Do people subscribe, play a bunch of games, then unsubscribe and buy the games they enjoyed?

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

Ps Plus games that came out years ago and no one bought are usually top 10 of the most played games on the platform that month. What does that show? Amazing success for the game? To be played once they are "free"? lmao

Also, those games were all released almost at the same time so it makes sense to be there.

 

[Zacfoldor]

77m at this stage is amazing guaranteed it ends up > 100m units meaning this gen was a huge success no matter which way you slice it. 30% of everything from Microsoft Game Studios is just icing on the cake.

PS5 ended up being a huge success.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. This gen we finally have more supply than demand and we are seeing that play out in the console war.

 

[Unknown?]

How does this work with GamePass?

Do people subscribe, play a bunch of games, then unsubscribe and buy the games they enjoyed?

It doesn't, that's why it's less appealing.

 

[tr1p1ex]

it's cause of VRR from what I gather from another thread

 

[QLQ]

Dude if I search the word "PSSR" or "PS5 Pro" I will find your posts either dominating my search results, or I will find your posts within 3 posts of anyone else's.

Case in point, you have more than 8 pages of posts containing the phrase "PSSR" alone:

https://www.neogaf.com/search/4349586/?q=PSSR&c[users]=Bojji&o=relevance

Wanna hear the punchline?

He bought a Pro.

 

[Crayon]

re:gamepass evangelism

When ps+ expanded with the catalog games, the marching orders were that it should not even be mentioned in the same breath as game pass. "It is not a game pass competitor" iirc. Instant, coordinated, droning, conspicuous. Like the rest of the social campaign had been going for years at that point.

To this day, you will see game pass name dropped non-stop when it's not relevant at all. Remember this is the company with the ambassador program to turn users into astroturfers, been caught bribing influencers, sicked fan-mobs on out of line reviewers, etc etc.

All this to say the perception of these sub services among their users is way, waaaaaaaaaaay different and it has more to do with the epic psychological fuckride of the game pass social campaign than what's actually on the services or how good they are. With all the crying about droves of brainwashed playstation fans, you'd think that ps+ evangelism would dwarf that of game pass but no. It's not even close and never will be.

Insane Value™. But mostly just insane.