Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
There is a lot of anger about PS5 not failing and sometimes people might act out.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
The PS5 is an absolute juggernaut.
Klayzer
Member
With games from big third party devs like Microsoft.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
That 30% cut is doing wonders for them. It's why it's important to have strong first and third party support for your console. It's also important to have a healthy console brand as the console acts as a front for your digital store where you can sell all these games on.
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DenchDeckard
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Baemono
Member
Comparing revenue is pointless
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
It's not. It shows who controls the market and flow of money in the industry. Revenue is how you determine who the market leader is and can also show how healthy a brand is especially if profits are also good, which is also the case for Playstation….
Baemono
Member
You're quoting a graph focusing on profits, not revenue, making my point valid
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Your point is still not valid. Both profits and revenue are incredibly high for Playstation. The brand is incredibly strong and they are the market leader. I don't know what point you're trying to make but you're not invalidating the original graph I posted.
Baemono
Member
The point I tried to make: for these three, comparing revenue is a bit pointless as Sony and MS spend 10$ to earn 12 (or, in Xbox's case, 10.80$) while Nintendo spend 5$ earn 8$. At the end, Nintendo has 3$ while Sony has 2$ and Xbox has almost 1$. So if you only focus on the revenue, you'd thought the bigger the better, but not always true
I don't know if it helps making my point, otherwise nevermind, it's not that important
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Felessan
Member
Revenue is more important metric as it shows share of market. Market share shows you position and power leverage and it's much harder to obtain as you need to eat out other shares or explore uncharted. Profit on the other side is much simpler metric to grow - do some cost cutting, cut back expansion and experiments, do some review and restructure in their place (focus more on internal business processes than on external) and profit will rapidly rise.
It what Sony did - growth slowed down last 2 years but profit suddenly shot up and now Sony has both revenue and profit from it
And Nintendo... Yes it's still has profit margin but revenue falled drastically so is profits and now they are really down and below Sony even though they make more on 1 dollar of sales
Looks like MS already lost like 1.5 bil of revenue post acquisition. Not exactly what I would call success
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Unknown Soldier
Member
They put Call of Duty on Gamepass and that was sure to shoot a huge hole through the previous revenue and profit structure of pre-acquisition Activision Blizzard
Killjoy-NL
Member
Imagine if they made COD exclusive.
Wasn't it like 80% of sales (or revenue?) from PS for Blops6?
Baemono
Member
I guess you're right
Did you ever see Microsoft buying something successful and turning into more success ?
Hector Hall
Member
Mother of God, you are adding all the second party games in the other generations, while specifically removing them from this one, and adding PS Eye and Move Games while removing the VR2 games.
MS mismanaging a previously well run business. Who could have seen this coming…
TheMule1983
Member
Down nearly 2 million sales. Definitely on the up and up!
PlayStaytion
Member
That's basically telling the ps5 is cannibalizing PS6 future numbers.People that are driving sales the most are FIFA/FC, COD, Fortnite etc. crowd. They are happy with whatever dogshit content for their favorite games drop.
You are on a hardcore gaming forum, people here want the best gaming has to offer and Sony was one of the top publishers before...
Also this:
Astray
Member
So ignore it my friend.Sony releases some fucking crumbs for their fans:
Fanboys: "Best console ever", "Increase the prices even more Uncle Hiroki!", "I'm glad Xbox is dead, now Sony can do nothing with more style!".
You don't need to rage in every single thread. If you don't like them anymore then they should be losing your business quietly.
You losing your shit whenever PS5 Pro or PSSR gets mentioned is just you raising your blood pressure over nothing because they're not going to even acknowledge it.
bitbydeath
Member
It's selling more each quarter which means it will eventually overtake.
TheMule1983
Member
Yeah that 2 million drop means it selling more. Can't wait for the eventual price increase to give it a boost.
Baemono
Member
That's not how console sales work. They sell gradually more up until year 3/4 and start to slow down. It's the case for pretty much every console, unless there are some oddities (like the Xbox Series sudden drop after 2022).
TheMule1983
Member
So you admit the sales are slowing down then. It's year 5 for ps5 now. They're about to increase the price. No way they match PS4 sales since that thing got down to 200 bucks one time. Keep fighting the good fight though.
Do you have a PC or an Xbox?
Sure. They make $80 and $90 top exclusives.
Now do it with Nintendo. To see what new IPs they made for the Switch and the other consoles.
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Baemono
Member
They even forcasted that (and they still sold more than what they had in their forecast), there is nothing to admit, it's the facts.
But I don't see it not reaching PS4 level of sales
Come on there is nothing to fight about it, it's not important, our discussion doesn't even matter
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Astray
Member
That acquisition spree will be known in time as one of the biggest value destruction events in the gaming biz both from a creative and financial standpoints.
Close to 100 billion spent and with almost no new big IP to speak of, almost no new exclusivity for Xbox players to speak of, and likely with reduced revenue and likely higher losses for the combined entities.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Tbf due to massive supply constraints, it could in a way be seen as year 3 of this gen for mainstream.
This caused a massive hurdle for current-gen adoption.
Unknown?
Member
That's why they have 2nd party and 3rd party exclusives to pad it out.
This is industry wide BTW. Microsoft launched without an exclusive and took a year to crap out one. Outside of their acquisitions(Bethesda/AKB), their output has been worst of all time.
Nintendo takes quite long with their legacy franchises and now that they have more power will take EVEN longer with no Wii U ports to ease the blow.
PC.
Bumblebeetuna
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PropellerEar
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Bojji
Member
You really think I'm stressed over this? I gave up on idea that Sony might go back to their former glory quite some time ago. They are just another soulless corporation at this point.
I rarely post in threads like this where fanboys are jerking off to sales stats. But I also know how my opinions trigger some people so it's interesting to see some responses, hahaha.
I invested too much into the ecosystem (since 2009) to gave up on it entirely. PS5 is very useful for some things, Pro is a weak upgrade but still an upgrade and fixes most IQ flaws standard PS5 have. DS2, GoY and (obviously) GTA6 were my main reasons to upgrade console + nice deal I found and disc drive at MSRP.
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nial
Member
You also need to understand when people talk in general terms to make a point.
The fact that they're very clearly releasing games that don't appeal to you like Death Stranding 2 and MLB The Show 25 speaks on the variety of their output.
They have published two new games already (Midnight Murder Club and MLB The Show 25), and one of them was developed by an internal studio.
It's literally a (you) problem and Sony doesn't have over 20 studios.
That's the result of Sony not having a large internal worforce and working with external studios to boost the output, it's been like this since the PS1 days and it's why they're publishing 7 new games (that we know of) this entire year, with 3 of them actually being from internal studios, which is more than what you suggested.
Also... using the internal studios argument when you're a Nintendo fanboy is so funny, as if it's not the same case with them.
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and you still bought a PS5 Pro.
I'm against Sony porting their games to PC, but when I look at people like you and Gaiff...I think it might be true what some people like Shawn Layden say, that the porting does no harm to PlayStation. I mean, PC gaming is for doofuses with money to spare, so it shouldn't be that surprising.
Mozza
Member
I think the PS5 will do very similar to the PS4. Which is still great numbers.
demigod
Member
He's another green rat, most likely a banned alt.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No they don't make $90 exclusives so this 'irrelevant to them making the top exclusives cope' is wrong.
PlayStaytion
Member
Could we just stop fighting over our favorite plastic boxes? I could tell from all arguments who's playing and who's not.
Little Chicken
Banned
Xbox with $22 billion, you'd think they made -$3 the way people "discuss" their performance
Little Chicken
Banned
I think one is enoughGod damn, i wish we had aGHG On the none Sony side who could deliver receipts on these hardcore Sony fans.
Smh
tmlDan
Member
You can thank Sony for that revenue tho, thats the point. The console is dead thoughXbox with $22 billion, you'd think they made -$3 the way people "discuss" their performance
I'm surprised he's continued here after the thorough roasting he got last Sunday.I think one is enough
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...to-a-new-report.1683899/page-4#post-270405087
playbignbox
Member
Hello emote guy, my biggest fan on this forum
What's the next baseless assumption you're going to make just because I criticized your beloved Sony?
You don't have to take it personally just because I don't have the same enthusiasm for games like Days Gone Remastered or MLB as you do
It's their favourite (only) tactic. To claim that everyone who doesn't display slavish Mibu no ookami levels of devotion to Sony must automatically either be an alt or an undercover MS employee or both.