Hector Hall
Member
The same as always, playing games.
And you see the numbers, a 31 billion business, hardly a failure.
The same as always, playing games.
And you see the numbers, a 31 billion business, hardly a failure.
awwr999999
Member
1. Switch consoles are the only way users can access their existing game libraries.
2. Switch consoles break and anyone with a broken Switch will be locked out of their valuable library of games.
3. Average Switch life expectancy is 6-10 years.
4. All Nintendo has to do to beat the PS2s numbers is continue making and selling the OG Switch and not lower the price of the Switch 2.
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Nydius
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Late to the thread so sorry if this has already been said. I'm not sure if what you wrote is intentional revisionist history or slight distortion from rose tinted glasses.
Sony had very few first party exclusives in the PS1 days and for a good chunk of the PS2 days. PlayStation was simply the best (or only) place to play third party games. If you wanted to play a Final Fantasy game, for example, you had to have a PlayStation. Meanwhile, multi platform games at the time got the benefit of easier to develop for hardware with a cheaper and more robust distribution model (disks compared to Nintendo's carts), that gave third party games an edge on Sony's system.
How is that any different than how they operate today where if you want to play, say, Black Myth Wukong or Stellar Blade on a console, you have to have a PlayStation? PlayStation's "identity" has always been tied to strong exclusive third party support.
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//DEVIL//
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I mean. This is from GPT, but these games were either developed and published by Sony ( most of them ) or at least Sony owns the IP and published the game.
PS1 - 25 games ( not including sequels, just new IPs )
- Crime Crackers
- Motor Toon Grand Prix
- Jumping Flash!
- Kileak: The DNA Imperative
- Philosoma
- Twisted Metal
- Warhawk
- Wipeout
- ESPN Extreme Games (1Xtreme)
- Beyond the Beyond
- Ape Escape
- PaRappa the Rapper
- I.Q.: Intelligent Qube
- Rally Cross
- Colony Wars
- G-Police
- Porsche Challenge
- NBA ShootOut
- NFL GameDay
- NHL FaceOff
- MLB Pennant Race
- Wild Arms
- Jet Moto
- Cool Boarders
- Crash Bandicoot
PS2 26 original IPs, not including sequels. just new IPs.
- FantaVision (2000)
- The Bouncer (2000)
- Dark Cloud (2000)
- Extermination (2001)
- ICO (2001)
- Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (2001)
- Kinetica (2001)
- Okage: Shadow King (2001)
- Dropship: United Peace Force (2002)
- The Mark of Kri (2002)
- Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus (2002)
- SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs (2002)
- Amplitude (2003)
- Primal (2003)
- Ghosthunter (2003)
- Dog's Life (2003)
- My Street (2003)
- War of the Monsters (2003)
- Jet Li: Rise to Honor (2004)
- Killzone (2004)
- Genji: Dawn of the Samurai (2005)
- God of War (2005)
- Shadow of the Colossus (2005)
- Tourist Trophy (2006)
- Buzz! Games (2006)
- EyeToy Games (2006)
- Resistance: Fall of Man (2006)
- MotorStorm (2007)
- Heavenly Sword (2007)
- Folklore (2007)
- Lair (2007)
- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (2007)
- Warhawk (2007)
- The Eye of Judgment (2007)
- SingStar (2007)
- Super Stardust HD (2007)
- Pain (2007)
- PixelJunk Racers (2007)
- Everyday Shooter (2007)
- Echochrome (2008)
- PixelJunk Monsters (2008)
- PixelJunk Eden (2008)
- LittleBigPlanet (2008)
- Flower (2009)
- Demon's Souls (2009)
- inFAMOUS (2009)
- MAG (2010)
- Heavy Rain (2010)
- ModNation Racers (2010)
- Sports Champions (2010)
- Sorcery (2012)
- Starhawk (2012)
- Tokyo Jungle (2012)
- The Unfinished Swan (2012)
- Puppeteer (2013)
at least do some research next time lol.
look at the PS5
- Astro's Playroom (2020)
- Returnal (2021)
- Destruction AllStars (2021)
- Sackboy: A Big Adventure (2020) <-- not sure if it should count since sackboy was a ps3 game but whatever
- Steller Blade? ChatGPT didn't add that. but i think the team is Sony's second-party studio and the game was published by Sony so it does count.
in general. the PS5 list is shit ( again, just talking about new IPs. nothing has to do with amazing games like GT7 or Ratchet and clank on PS5 ) does not include games like spider man or horizon zero dawn because these were PS4 new IPs.
Where are the PS5's new IPs? exactly... Sony is pathetic. and I hope it does come and bite them in the ass at one point.
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Skifi28
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Did they shrink after a few washes or what?
Nydius
Member
Telling me to "do my research" when you're using bad information from AI and listing third party licenses by MLB, NFL, ESPN, and others as "first party games".
Okay bud. You're the one distorting reality because you want more first party games. You're not worth the time to bother with further.
Every Sony thread you show up with your SONY IS DOOOMED shtick, no worse than the green rats who still think Xbox is going to rebound. It's pathetic.
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TheMule1983
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It's at 78 million in year 5. No chance it sells 40 million in the next couple years.
Skifi28
Member
The PS4 kept selling well after the PS5 launched. You're probably looking at a decade at least until it's discontinued.
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asdasdasdbb
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Especially given the likely price of the PS6.
//DEVIL//
Member
Kid gets owned. can't find an escape so goes to " not worth the time to bother with further ". lol ok. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
license or not. those were orignal IPs that were developed by sony. Like spider man, like Wolverine that is coming to the PS5, and so on. these games were developed or published by Sony. so sure as fuck they count. but again, I don't expect someone who got his ass kicked to admit he got stomped on lol.
And u know what. even if you take out the licensed IPs out. PS1 2 3 original IPs are 5x more than what Sony is offering right now for the PS5.
And just to confirm your that you post is useless even further. I never ever said Sony is doomed either lol. Not in this thread or any before.
Just because I do not like how Sony is handling its legacy, doesn't mean they are doomed. But.. no point in talking logic to a useless fanboy.
We're done here.
PS. of course I will ask for google / chat gpt database to give me list of games. I do not remember all the games Sony has released. what kind of a stupid post is this?
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TheMule1983
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Consoles are flat lining. Maybe you're right. I just don't see it.
onnextflix5
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PlayStation is likely to be the only home console going forward, so get used to sky high prices, really hope steam joins in with a steam box, but it is unlikely due traffic situation going on currently.
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What's the deal with new IPs? They spent a lot of resources to create IPs during the PS3/PSP-PS4 gens, now they're investing further on the most successful of them. That's how they operate.
Creating IP is risky, and I mean the kind of IPs they can build upon and make good profits. It's a business, it's not for the fun of it they have teams of over 150 people working for 4, 5 years creating something. It's not like the PSone days when a team of 30 people could make it in 1 year, sell 500K copies or who knows less and turn a profit.
Where's the Nintendo new IPs? They put Mario in anything and that's a new game? Reusing assets for tons of "new IPs". They make AA stuff, they don't risk their studios going bankrupt if Kirby spinoff #7 doesn't sell 3 million copies.
New Sony IPs this gen to look forward to: Intergalactic, Wolverine, Saros, Physint, and definitely something from Cory Barlog creator of GoW and Sony Santa Monica will drop that's a new IP. Most likely a new IP coming from Bend Studios as well. The gen is not over yet.
nial
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Kileak and Cool Boarders are SMEJ and UEP games picked up by SCE for publishing in the West, they're not first-party.
The Bouncer is a Square game picked up by SCE for publishing in the West, they're not first-party.
The Pixeljunk series are Q-Games picked up by SCE for publishing in the West, they're not first-party.
Rise of the Ronin, Convallaria and Lost Soul Aside? They count in the same way Crash Bandicoot and PaRappa the Rapper do.
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//DEVIL//
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I 100% agree with everything you said. New IPs are risky. But so is sequels though. As I mentioned in a previous post in the same thread. Sonys recent sequels are selling less than their first release. Spider man, horizon, god of war . All of them are less than the first game.
Watch how wolverine's game will sell even more than spider man 2 did.
And I am not against sequels btw. I mean, they are at one point the reason why we buy PlayStation games or Nintendo games right ? But also invest in other teams . You might get a big hit just like how u did with god of war. Ghost of T and the first horizon game did .
This is why personally I don't like it. But this is my own opinion. Obviously sales of the system means there are at least 77 million people that don't agree with me lol.
Also I was raised with PlayStation controller on my hand. Games like jack and daxter, twisted metal. Socom, Warhawk, infamous and many other games I hold close to me and I don't see them . I keep seeing a not fun god of war game ever since the 2018 release and horizon and spider man. It almost feels like this is all what Sony is doing for the last 10 years ( obviously there are more games but the focus are only on these games mostly ).
//DEVIL//
Member
Yes you are right . I forgot rise of ronin. And yes lost souls aside count too but it's not out yet lol.
And yes I am including games that Sony picked up. Doesn't have to be developers by first party . But published by Sony also counts.
My point is Sony was more aggressive in making way more deals and securing exclusives. Even buying the studios at one point if they proven them selves. Naughty dog. Insomniac. Maybe shift up or the studio that did helldivers ( not sure if they are owned by Sony already or not )
bitbydeath
Member
Only one console is flat lining. PlayStation is on track to beat PS4 and could go well beyond 130M depending on how GTAVI is received.
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nial
Member
This is just not true, lol.
God of War sales after 1,220 days: 19.5 million
God of War Ragnarok sales after 375 days: 15 million
Spider-Man sales after 325 days: 13.2 million
Spider-Man 2 sales after 107 days: 10 million
And we know Gran Turismo 7 is, at least, selling at a better pace than Gran Turismo Sport in USA and UK. It already outsold it in Japan.
My point is that they're not published Sony, otherwise you would have to count stuff like Tekken that they picked up for publishing in Europe. It's just localization services.
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//DEVIL//
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Please dont give me the " it sold 2 million copies in the first hour and then 200k in the next 3 years sales figure lol. How many copies as of toda Spider-Man man 2 and 1 sold?
As of April 2024, Marvel's Spider-Man 2 has sold over 11 million copies exclusively on PlayStation 5. The game was released for Windows PC on January 30, 2025, but sales figures for the PC version have not been disclosed yet.
The original Marvel's Spider-Man (2018) has achieved over 25 million units sold across PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, and PC
As far as GT7 vs Sports. Sports isn't a mainline racing game, and that game sold close to 13 million copies. I am not sure how many copies GT7 sold across the PS4 and PS5. will not bring numbers from my ass. However, in general, I do not have a problem with games like GT7. I mean it's a racing game. Outside of updated graphics, engine, and sound, what is to be expected? It's a fantastic game and my favorite racing game ever. Nothing comes close to GT7 for me. And that game, along with VR, is the one game that its worth buying a PS5 for it alone. No other game reached that level for me outside of Mario 64. This is how much I love GT7 lol.
And your point is valid. I agree with you. But what I mean is a game picked up by Sony is a game like Stellar Blade, not an English translation lol.
nial
Member
You know you're comparing 6 months worth of sales versus 3.5 years, right? That's like saying TOTK has sold worse than BOTW because it hasn't reached 32M in 8 years like the latter did.
Gran Turismo Sport is most definitely a mainline game and it was treated as such, there's no other reason it went on to be the second best-selling in the series behind Gran Turismo 3 (which used to be Sony's best-selling game for around a decade). And yes, it's worth bringing Gran Turismo 7 up because it's yet another example of a first-party sequel selling at a better pace than its predecessor.
Kileak, Cool Boarders, The Bouncer and Pixeljunk are the latter, you included them on your lists.
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Bumblebeetuna
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Nah, this isn't accurate at all. They might have more heavy hitter, blockbuster type games now, but that's not really automatically a good thing. Thats almost all they make now. That, and shitty GaaS games.
Their software and second party deals might have been for less blockbuster titles back during PS1 and PS2, but there was a steady stream of quality games.
List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia
This list includes a lot of weird stuff like CoD being a Sony published game in Japan, but the list is very thorough. You can notice a distinct pattern of less and less games as time goes on. And then you get to PS5 and it falls off a cliff.
2020: remake, cross gen Sackboy slop, cross gen Spider-Man spin off expansion type game, remaster
2021: shitty GaaS Destruction, RETURNAL, baseball, remaster, remaster, Ratchet, Nioh Collection
2022: baseball, cross gen GoW, GT, and Horizon sequels, Uncharted collection, remaster
2023: Spider-Man sequel (cross gen? Idk) and baseball
2024: baseball, remaster, remaster, Until Dawn remake (remaster? Idk), Lego Horizon, Concord LOL, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Rise of Ronin, Ass Game (Stellar Blade)
2025: baseball, remaster
Garbage. I bolded all of the good new IP's for you.
They rely waaaaaaaay more on third party now than ever before. Nothing wrong with relying on third party, they earned being the cool casual console. And every publisher is releasing less games now than they did back then because games cost a lot more to make. But their software output is a dumpster fire.
let it go man, Phil can't hurt you anymore.Nah, this isn't accurate at all. They might have more heavy hitter, blockbuster type games now, but that's not really automatically a good thing. Thats almost all they make now. That, and shitty GaaS games.
Their software and second party deals might have been for less blockbuster titles back during PS1 and PS2, but there was a steady stream of quality games.
List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
This list includes a lot of weird stuff like CoD being a Sony published game in Japan, but the list is very thorough. You can notice a distinct pattern of less and less games as time goes on. And then you get to PS5 and it falls off a cliff.
2020: remake, cross gen Sackboy slop, cross gen Spider-Man spin off expansion type game, remaster
2021: shitty GaaS Destruction, RETURNAL, baseball, remaster, remaster, Ratchet, Nioh Collection
2022: baseball, cross gen GoW, GT, and Horizon sequels, Uncharted collection, remaster
2023: Spider-Man sequel (cross gen? Idk) and baseball
2024: baseball, remaster, remaster, Until Dawn remake (remaster? Idk), Lego Horizon, Concord LOL, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Rise of Ronin, Ass Game (Stellar Blade)
2025: baseball, remaster
Garbage. I bolded all of the good new IP's for you.
They rely waaaaaaaay more on third party now than ever before. Nothing wrong with relying on third party, they earned being the cool casual console. And every publisher is releasing less games now than they did back then because games cost a lot more to make. But their software output is a dumpster fire.
//DEVIL//
Member
Remove them kiosks and cool boarders and the bouncer . We are still 4x more games .
Why it's still hard to follow ?
And GT sports is not a mainline game it's a new entry but that's about it. There is a reason why it's not called GT7 lol
Unknown?
Member
2nd party doesn't count, get with the program son!Nah, this isn't accurate at all. They might have more heavy hitter, blockbuster type games now, but that's not really automatically a good thing. Thats almost all they make now. That, and shitty GaaS games.
Their software and second party deals might have been for less blockbuster titles back during PS1 and PS2, but there was a steady stream of quality games.
List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia
This list includes a lot of weird stuff like CoD being a Sony published game in Japan, but the list is very thorough. You can notice a distinct pattern of less and less games as time goes on. And then you get to PS5 and it falls off a cliff.
2020: remake, cross gen Sackboy slop, cross gen Spider-Man spin off expansion type game, remaster
2021: shitty GaaS Destruction, RETURNAL, baseball, remaster, remaster, Ratchet, Nioh Collection
2022: baseball, cross gen GoW, GT, and Horizon sequels, Uncharted collection, remaster
2023: Spider-Man sequel (cross gen? Idk) and baseball
2024: baseball, remaster, remaster, Until Dawn remake (remaster? Idk), Lego Horizon, Concord LOL, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Rise of Ronin, Ass Game (Stellar Blade)
2025: baseball, remaster
Garbage. I bolded all of the good new IP's for you.
They rely waaaaaaaay more on third party now than ever before. Nothing wrong with relying on third party, they earned being the cool casual console. And every publisher is releasing less games now than they did back then because games cost a lot more to make. But their software output is a dumpster fire.
Those quality games that were what the system is known for are 3rd party.
Bojji
Member
Sony releases some fucking crumbs for their fans:
Fanboys: "Best console ever", "Increase the prices even more Uncle Hiroki!", "I'm glad Xbox is dead, now Sony can do nothing with more style!".
Unknown?
Member
So butthurt.Sony releases some fucking crumbs for their fans:
Fanboys: "Best console ever", "Increase the prices even more Uncle Hiroki!", "I'm glad Xbox is dead, now Sony can do nothing with more style!".
demigod
Member
Bro trying to rewrite history. Maybe he can rewrite one where xbox wins.
nial
Member
I hope you find someone who didn't consider Gran Turismo Sport to be the next game (i.e. mainline entry) in the series.
But oh well, it already outsold Gran Turismo 6, amyway.
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nial
Member
Not even half the games from your list below.
Outside of MLB, only two? One which was pretty well received? (and no, DAS is not GAAS, it's a standard MP game).
Agreed.
What an unnecessarily despective list, from the desperate emphasizing of cross gen games -as if that somehow stops them from being part of the overall generation output- to the silly dismissing of some titles; Baseball? Sackboy slop? Ass game? This is the stuff you should be championing considering your dislike of most of Sony's output being blockbusters (which isn't really true).List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia
This list includes a lot of weird stuff like CoD being a Sony published game in Japan, but the list is very thorough. You can notice a distinct pattern of less and less games as time goes on. And then you get to PS5 and it falls off a cliff.
2020: remake, cross gen Sackboy slop, cross gen Spider-Man spin off expansion type game, remaster
2021: shitty GaaS Destruction, RETURNAL, baseball, remaster, remaster, Ratchet, Nioh Collection
2022: baseball, cross gen GoW, GT, and Horizon sequels, Uncharted collection, remaster
2023: Spider-Man sequel (cross gen? Idk) and baseball
2024: baseball, remaster, remaster, Until Dawn remake (remaster? Idk), Lego Horizon, Concord LOL, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Rise of Ronin, Ass Game (Stellar Blade)
2025: baseball, remaster
Garbage. I bolded all of the good new IP's for you.
If you consider Returnal to be the only good new IP from that list, good, but no one was asking for that opinion.
You say this in a matter of quantity, but it's a point of view that falls short when it comes to the stuff that actually help moving consoles. Sony, objectively, relies less on third-party compared to the PS1-PS3 days.
This is why it's hard to take you seriously, it's one thing to provide honest criticism and another to drop these dumb hyperbolic takes.
A dumpster fire? What other major publisher released as many games as SIE last year outside of Nintendo (which only beats it by 1-2 games)?
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Klayzer
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We know which platform is the real dumpster fire.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It's incredible numbers but I am a little surprised to see so many Sony die hards defending Sony saying they can have a lower release schedule or in some cases, no longer need to release big first party games.
We had people claim Sony wouldn't slow down on releases and raise prices to make more profit a year or so ago when MS looked set to leave the console space and now here we are and Sony fans are, what looks like defending a multi billion dollar company for having, i feel is a pretty wack first party line up overall this gen.
I wonder what the next celebration point will be.
Just seems weird Sony fans celebrating that Sony no longer needs great first party games and are making more money than they ever have because of it.
One great way to reduce profits is clearly to stop investing in the huge first party titles that made you.
We had people claim Sony wouldn't slow down on releases and raise prices to make more profit a year or so ago when MS looked set to leave the console space and now here we are and Sony fans are, what looks like defending a multi billion dollar company for having, i feel is a pretty wack first party line up overall this gen.
I wonder what the next celebration point will be.
Just seems weird Sony fans celebrating that Sony no longer needs great first party games and are making more money than they ever have because of it.
One great way to reduce profits is clearly to stop investing in the huge first party titles that made you.
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playbignbox
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Sony fans celebrating hardware sales, meanwhile it's almost June and there are no new games from Sony this year lmao
nial
Member
No one is saying that, let alone 'celebrating' it. Most people are aware that PlayStation has always been third-party driven, and the fact that Sony doesn't usually have more than two heavy hitters for a year (with Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei filling that space in 2025).
No need to faux concern over nothing.
nial
Member
It's almost June when they're about to drop a GOTY contender, what a funny gotcha.
We can also talk about Nintendo not releasing any new game for 7 straight months, but that's not for this topic.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I'm sorry. But that's incorrect. We have had 20 years of how important first party exclusives are to driving sales.
We've had a couple of years of Sony fans saying Sony wouldn't take their foot off the gas if MS left the console space and here we are.
Maybe you choose to ignore it but it's the truth.
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Bumblebeetuna
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Uh, baseball and Days Gone remaster. Hello.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
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nial
Member
No, it's not. No one is denying the importance of first-party exclusives, but ignoring the truth would be not being aware of the PlayStation business being driven by the vast output of third-party offerings, as opposed to the Nintendo business being mainly driven by first-party content. It's ALWAYS been like this.
Yes, here we are, with Sony dropping two heavy SP hitters this year (Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei) like they mostly do, alongside other releases of smaller scale or targeting different audiences (Lost Soul Aside, Convallaria, Marathon, MLB The Show 25). Seems like a pretty standard Sony year for me.
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playbignbox
Member
Oh yeah, let's compare year 4-5 of the PlayStation 5 with year 8 of the Switch, which has pretty much already ended the development cycle for new games. Why don't you compare it to year 4-5 of the Switch?It's almost June when they're about to drop a GOTY contender, what a funny gotcha.
We can also talk about Nintendo not releasing any new game for 7 straight months, but that's not for this topic.
And I'm not excited at all for Kojima's pretentious boringness, thanks
nial
Member
To the worst years of the Switch era? It's still a massive gap no matter how you look at it, even compared to the one between Paper Mario: Color Splash and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
One day you will finally understand that not everything needs to be made for you.
Baemono
Member
One is, not the other two
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playbignbox
Member
How could I forget these masterpieces? I can't wait to play Days Gone again with a blue filter... I mean, Days Gone remastered!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Which is not incompatible to say that neither PS1 nor PS2 were first party driven. PS2 also had a shitton of third party exclusives and Sony's first party games rounded that up providing some big exclusives and also a lot of AA games that focused on proving the market for third parties and bringing a diversified experience to players. Was it before your time?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
People also may wonder though why it I the second straight topic about PS5 sales (the Quarter results before and this now) where you are trying hard to take the worst possible interpretation and raise "concern".
MS kicked off the multiplatform initiative late last year, the period you mentioned is when they completed the biggest third party publisher acquisition ever… so since late last year Sony did not develop in 6-8 months the AAA exclusives you planned them to? What?
Where are you finding people, especially Sony fans, suggesting or celebrating reduced to no big first party exclusives?
Again, this is what is read as concern trolling.
playbignbox
Member
"Everything" = A single game
Yes, it's my fault for wanting more games and variety. How could I question the goddess Sony and their lack of in-house games?
Don't you want more games? Do you think it's normal for Sony to go so long without publishing new games and, when they do publish one, it doesn't even end up being developed internally or an IP of their own? So if I don't like DS2, I just wait another 6 months? Sony has over 20 studios bro, c'mon.
Sometimes I think I like Sony's games more than you do, because I want games from their studios (excluding bombs like Concord and woke crap) and they take forever. I don't know who decided that Sony publishing 1-2 new games per year from their studios/IPs is "ok", it's sucks.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Says the person that used GPT for this and did not bother to even notice the kind of titles he is listing (look at most of the titles in your PS1 list come on… or many of the titles in your PS2 list too… Sony of today did two mistakes with a bigger than should have been push on Live Service Games as well as years of mismanagement of JAPAN Studio coupled with increasing budgets got the studio taken down along the AA titles it produced).
Cakeboxer
Member
There should be an achievement for you. You summoned both emote spamming console warriors with one post.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yep, but watch somehow the cross-generation Wii U - Switch games (BotW should then definitely not count as part of the Switch lineup then
) or the Wii U ports still qualify as part of the gen hehe.