Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Wow, Cool, I use the DS4 on the PC and Nintendo Switch all the time, if the DualSense can use at least some of his features in the PC that will be amazing.
PS5's DualSense has a RealTek audio chip, and Haptic Feedback uses sound effects!
LarknThe4th
Member
Everything leads me to believe they have absolutely nailed this controller
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think you mixed up between the gaming section and 360 Reality Audio. If it fully supports WH-1000XM4, I'll buy it!
Not sure if they would, but would be nice. But maybe they can easily do it in a patch? Not sure.
Yeah for launch stuff it's better to get it ASAP. But no need for the FOMO, you'll get it eventually. I wasn't gonna get it first, but hype made me buy extra controller, charging station, Pulse 3D. I play alone, no one plays with me at home, but because I can have long gaming sessions for more than 24+ hours sometimes, it's better to have one ready
I can see it becoming famous on PC, but all depends if it's fully compatible with Xbox games.
Man, they went with (you don't know you need something until you try it). Crazy!
Yeah same here, turned them off. But if you don't use headsets, they are very nice actually. I play only with headsets since 2007 as I prefer high volume and for immersion.
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FrankWza
Member
I'll try the platinum tomorrow against the pulses. I'll let you know. This guy compares but it's not the most technical review. I get that these aren't audiophile grade headsets but he's comparing the platinum without the 3d update so the source isn't the same and the difference hes hearing is probably from the processing. UNLESS 3D pulse has extra or better tech @$99
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GymWolf
Member
Do you have a ps5 to try the 3d headset? i'm mostly interested about the performance on console, i barely use headphones to watch films or to listen music, i'm not really an audiophile.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Both of us will have PS5 and Pulse 3D. He's more educated and experienced though.
GymWolf
Member
Bo_Hazem
Banned
So you do actually work for sony
Nah, I've posted earlier that we have all accessories available for preorder. I've paid upfront, no free preordering here:
PS5 (215 OMR), extra controller (I think 32 OMR), Charging Station (12.9 OMR), Pulse 3D (45 OMR) = ~304.9 OMR ($792.74 USD).
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Nah, most likely around 20th of November, as it comes in the 19th in the capital, which is 1200km (~750 miles) away.
iHaunter
Member
For real though, how XSX controller not even have a gyroscope?????? In this day and age, it's sad.
Saberus
Member
no.. unless it's a ps4 game your playing on ps5.
Numenorean
Member
iPhone phones from 7 onwards already do something like that. Its called Taptic Engine and its awesome. Every sound has a kind of vibration that its like "feeling" the sound
MasterCornholio
Member
And that's from the small voice could that they have. Now imagine what two large ones must feel like?
NeoLed
Member
As I remember, in Playstation ecosystem, the old controllers never able to work on newer gen. I don't know why you're expecting it will be now..
Bo_Hazem
Banned
No gyro, no touch pad, no battery. But some people love basic stuff.
Only PS4 games, and why the downgrade? Also we want devs to have full support of DS and not be bothered by DS4 dragging it back.
Yes, but very, very tiny in comparison.
Yup, I would argue that I would rather not have BC at all and go full speed into full potential instead of wasting time on old tech. But some people like playing old games, not sure why.
Calverz
Member
I dont want to spend £60 on a 2nd controller.
Also ds4 has same number of buttons
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Don't need to, you can use the wire included or plug a cheap 2.0 USD extender and use it while charging after 10-20 hours of continues playing to play another 10-20 hours.
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Calverz
Member
Na im talking two player. Fifa etc
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Never been a problem on PS4, why should it be now? One will charge or you can both charge as well.
Soodanim
Member
He's saying he doesn't want to spend £60 on a second DS5 when he has perfectly fine DS4s that will do the same thing.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Well he can play on PS4. Or BC mode on PS5. Or contact Sony support.
TBiddy
Member
I've argued it before, and I'll gladly do it again. The decision from Sony to block the DS4 controller in newer games is a business decision with one focus - maximizing profits. There's little to no technical reason for it, and I can easily understand why it would annoy someone.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Of course they can support it if they want to. But for gamers interested in full support of DualSense and the budget 3rd party devs have many might skip doing the extra work to maximize the experience of the new DS, making its features becoming more gimmicky than immersive. They didn't support DS3 on PS4 as well, nor xbox supported 360 controller.
True. So is the decision to offer the same controller with a next gen console. Both have their pros and cons. I personally think the PS4 controller had a lot of room for improvement, so I'm happy to get a new controller this gen.
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FrankWza
Member
Ps1 to ps2 did. Ps2 to ps3 did with an (edit: official Sony adapter)adapter. I'm just speaking the official pack in controller not others because then you need a chart.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Imagine getting a rebadged DS4 as DS5, that would be mediocre as fuck.
Don't feed the troll
Bo_Hazem
Banned
He can have a powerbank as well.
FrankWza
Member
There is a ton of technical reason for it. The Dualsense itself has a lot of new tech in it. Now, in order for Sony to get people behind what they are trying to do with their controller(audio,haptics,triggers...) maybe they want as many people on board as possible since the devs are throwing their support at it too. If the Dualsense wasn't packed with new tech I would agree with 100%. But they did go all out or at least, it appears they have. They also made the controller $70 and based on the early feedback it could/should be more.
When you see comments from people wondering how developers are going to support and implement these new features long term, this is the answer to how you go about on that path.
But all other peripherals like wheels and fight sticks are still compatible at least so it's not a money grab in my opinion.
TBiddy
Member
Every single PS5 console will have a DualSense controller as the primary controller, so I doubt supporting older controllers would be an issue. Supporting older controllers is a question of pleasing the users who like to couch-game with their buddies, but don't like to spend 70$ for each controller needed.
The DS4 not working on the PS5 is a software limitation grounded in profit maximization. It's not a big deal for me, since I don't have DS4 controllers lying around, so I need to buy new controllers anyways, but for others, I can definitely understand why they'd be annoyed.
Absolutely.
FrankWza
I see where you're heading with the argument, but I don't think it's valid, considering every single PS5 gamer will use the DualSense controller when available. The DS4 would only be used for the occasions, where multiple people are in the same room, but with not enough controllers. That won't ruin the adaption.
FrankWza
Member
Every single PS5 console will have a DualSense controller as the primary controller, so I doubt supporting older controllers would be an issue. Supporting older controllers is a question of pleasing the users who like to couch-game with their buddies, but don't like to spend 70$ for each controller needed.
The DS4 not working on the PS5 is a software limitation grounded in profit maximization. It's not a big deal for me, since I don't have DS4 controllers lying around, so I need to buy new controllers anyways, but for others, I can definitely understand why they'd be annoyed.
Absolutely.
I see where you're heading with the argument, but I don't think it's valid, considering every single PS5 gamer will use the DualSense controller when available. The DS4 would only be used for the occasions, where multiple people are in the same room, but with not enough controllers. That won't ruin the adaption.
Well, most, if not every consumer product is grounded in maximizing profits. But I hear what you're saying. I just don't think it applies here. I think it's about getting as many people on board with the new tech as possible. Do they need to sell more Dualsense? Yeah, of course. It probably cost them a fortune to produce and develop. I think it's a fair price for some awesome tech. And if they wanted to be assholes about it, all PS4 controllers would be incompatible. It's really just the DualShock that is. I really believe it's being done because it makes the experience better, even for couch player 2. That's the guy who used to get the mad catz controller back in the day.
TBiddy
Member
I honestly think it's about profits. Allowing the DS4 to be used for some games, but not all, on the PS5 is an odd decision. It makes me think that Sony is actively blocking the DS4 controllers in the PS5 games.
The DualSense is a better controller and the experience for player 2 will be better if he uses that, but having a 'mad catz controller' is infinitely better than having no controller, if the host didn't want to buy a brand new DualSense just to play FIFA against his buddy every two weeks.
FrankWza
Member
I'm not saying DualShock is a mad catz experience, I'm just saying that's a very specific scenario that I don't think is important enough to warrant Dualsense compatibility. It's about profits too, it has to be to an extent, but I don't see it as a corporate greed scenario because I think the features are different enough. I don't think DS3 worked on DS4 and they are closer in features than DS4 and Dualsense. Nobody cared because DS3 was terrible.
TBiddy
Member
My point is, that it looks like they've actively blocked the compability. It would've been easy for them to present information on the screen to the user using the DS4 that said something like "Note that you're using a legacy controller. Not all features are supported" and let the users decide for themselves.
I think we disagree on the motivations, ultimately.
FrankWza
Member
I do agree it's motivated by profit, to an externt. I think It's far more than just 1:1 sell more controllers though, it's about let's get more people using this new tech and features. So it's an investment as much as immediate profit seeking. I'm saying that if they were going to be motivated strictly by profits, the couch co-op or party people is a niche market in 2020 and going forward compared to the core customers and isn't going to annoy enough people to make any kind of dent anyway. Same thing happened last gen when more legacy products stopped being supported.
And they definitely actively blocked it, I agree. But that has a negative connotation to it by default which is kind of unfair Because most other peripherals are compatible from PS4-PS5 and DS4 is usable on PS5 with PS4 games at least. The Dualsense is that big of a leap over DS4 that I think they get a pass on this.
TBiddy
Member
You say a lot of sensible things. I like that. I wish more discussions were like this.
As I wrote earlier, personally I'm not really affected by this, but I can absolutely understand why it could annoy people, and I don't agree with the decision Sony has made. But then again, there could be a reason that I'm not a top executive at Sony..
As I wrote earlier, personally I'm not really affected by this, but I can absolutely understand why it could annoy people, and I don't agree with the decision Sony has made. But then again, there could be a reason that I'm not a top executive at Sony..
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm not sure how anybody can disagree with you on the motives to be honest. It's clearly to make more money.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think the profit margins with what's in the new controller are far thinner than a 7+ year old controller now (new sales). It is only a $5-$10 difference in price on average, but much newer tech down to Realtech chips inside. Again, new sales taken into account. It may be partially, but I still feel it is more for support to make it staple, and it seems to be working in that arena.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I think its more for maximizing impact from the featureset of the new controller. I mean, they likely make more profit per unit on the DS4 and going forwards DualSense is a key differentiator for the PS5. Its not just an ergonomic change, its required to show of the PS5's value proposition.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
These features are out of no where this should say something about SONY here's an already perfected controller and they're bettering it for the player that's what you want from next gen consoles.
FrankWza
Member
the amount of tech in this controller makes it a steal @$69.99 in 2020. That's not even factoring in R&D, Just what we're getting compared to the rest of the market. Other than being modular and/or having back buttons/paddles there isn't much more you could ask for. And those features make 3rd party controllers price jump by 100%. Look at the Astro PS4 controller.
Ps5ProFoSho
Member
My thoughts on next gen:
Improved graphics YES
Improved audio YES
Super Fast Loading HELL YES
DualSense Controller GAMECHANGER
Improved graphics YES
Improved audio YES
Super Fast Loading HELL YES
DualSense Controller GAMECHANGER
Ps5ProFoSho
Member
Yeah I'm sure they didn't think to put a better battery in it
And you should never try to improve something with all those damn points of failure
they did put a bigger battery
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But why not allow the DS4 work with the PS5, but push and advertise to people that getting a DS5 would be a lot better in the end?